I believe something had to create this universe, I just highly doubt humans have ever or will ever truly know what that is.
This is not a new argument, or anything, but... then who created them? If God can simply be born from the eternal void of nothingness, when why can't the universe? Why would God create men in it's image and think of Earth as the center of the universe, when he has an entire universe full of variable life to mess with?
Even if I'm wrong, and there is some deity around, which I cannot safely prove nor disprove (though I am confident that there is no reliable proof in the hands of any man, lest we'd all have the same religion), I'm certain that not a single religious text still existing is even remotely accurate about the actions or opinions of that deity, which has complete and total access and control over the entire Universe without reservation.
A god that created this universe would be so totally and utterly foreign and alien that no human could comprehend it. That, or God is merely a man at a god-computer, playing a video game about universe creation with all the same compassion as a man playing The Sims.
The problem with that argument is that God being born out of nothing is a magical argument well-suited for religion. The universe being born out of nothing is a magical argument that doesn't work for science or anything else.
And the origins of the cosmos are still a problematic area for science which, under the current theory, is essentially that nothing exploded and become something. In fact, it's sometimes humorously referenced as, "Allow us one miracle and we can explain the rest!"
More importantly, if you're talking about the Christian mythos, God wasn't "born out of the void," he was stated as having always existed. So your criticism of that particular religion is based on an ignorance of the canon.
I know about that with Christianity, but I can't logically wrap my head around the concept of there not being a beginning and something always having existed. I mean if I die and Christianity turns out to be true, and I get to speak to god, i'm going to have to ask him what his earliest memory is.
Supposedly the Christian God predates the ideas of time, existence, nothingness, and everything else. As such, God didn't come from the nothingness or void, the nothingness came from God. It's different from most other mythos where the gods were born of the primordial chaos.
Rather than being created, it was just something that existed. Which is a neat concept on some levels.
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ClarkDuke posted...
trump while being a loose canon I have to admit, I doubt will ever actually nuke anyone. and people worry way too much about that, its not like he actually has the button to do it, he just issues the command and those he commands can willfully go against his orders. happened to Russia, guy was ordered to fire a nuke during the cuban missle crisis and he refused to do it.
Given that Clark is a troll alt which does little else other than harass me (Helly claims it's Ziggi, which explains why he's doubled down on it now that Kana is gone), I'm not sure why you'd engage him. ---