Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 137: America Derserves Better

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Price and Pruitt should be fired (for much more than this, but this is sufficient)
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BowserCuffs posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

The 2007 cultural turning point theory is actually really gaining traction.

I mean... just because it's becoming more popular doesn't necessarily mean it's more right.

As an example, the Flat Earth theory is also gaining traction. Does that mean I should start believing that the world is flat and the universe revolves around it?

(Also, even if it did have merit, the fact of the matter is that it's literally all he posts about. It's the same reason people are annoyed at vegans, self-described skeptics, and evangelical proselytizer)

I have barely posted about it the past few months, mainly because I believe that era ended around 2015/2016 with maybe a few remnants into the start of this year.

But i mean you can not deny that late 06 through early 08 was what caused all this mess we live in. The internet being centralized around that time. And people who are very bright are starting to realize that we were living in 2007 for a long while, and its what caused Trump who brought in the new era for better or for worse. Show me an academic person who believes in flat earth BS. And no Kyrie Irving doesn't count because he went to Duke for a year.

Social media + the internet in our pockets = bad things. Both those things rose to prominence in 2007 (spare me the "gamefaqs is social media and that was around before 2007" shit, you know what i mean when i say social media. Modern era).

Trump is lblock on the national stage. Thats how fucked up things are.
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Metal_DK posted...

(spare me the "gamefaqs is social media and that was around before 2007" shit, you know what i mean when i say social media.

if i wanted to use a counterargument i'd actually use myspace - that's been around since 2003 and was really big. but yeah, after that facebook became a gazillion times bigger than myspace, obviously.
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You arent wrong about Myspace, but the thing is its not really around anymore. The ones that got big in 2007ish are still the biggest players in the game

Facebook (opened to general public, also the year it overtook myspace and exponentially grew iirc, but that mighta officially happened in 08)
Twitter
Youtube (bought by google in real late 2006)
Tumblr
Netflix starts streaming

Then offshoots like instagram (which was bought by facebook) happend a bit later.

Myspace also never got to the traffic Facebook was getting by 2007/2008, and was on the decline. Hell i remember reading in like 2011 Facebook was getting more traffic than the rest of the internet combined in some countries. Myspace never opened up much past teens and real early 20s too, in 07 Facebook was already working on grabbing the Gen Xers and non high school/college people in general.
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Pre-millennial generations getting social media is the true downfall of western society.
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Its social media in general, but when it was just millennials it wasn't large enough, and wasnt in our pocket. Also when social media was just millennials the oldest millennials were maybe 20/21, and most likely elem/middle/high school aged. People with not much power/significance in the world. Gen Z barely existed, as the ones that had been born were like 3 at the oldest. Now all the Gen Z people are already born, and some are close to college.

Gen X, out of the 4 major post WW2 generations (boomers, X, millennials, Z) is actually the smallest problem imo. They seem to be the least "look at me look at me" types. Not that they are perfect or anything. But it is somewhat noteworthy that unless you consider Obama a gen Xer (which he kinda qualifies for, but also very arguable a boomer), we might not even get a Gen X president. In 2020 we might see a real late 70s/early 80s born president, which would be millennial pretty much. Or Trump wins again and its still a boomer.
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Late 70's is gen x
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barely. Most define millennials as born starting around 80/81/82 true. Some define millennials start point as 78/79/80 though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials#Date_and_age_range_definitions

The point is, we might not see a straight up gen x president. I mean technically you could say we never had a straight up boomer president, because W, Clinton and Trump were all born in 46, the beginning of the baby boom. But the end of WW2 in 45 was such a definitive starting point that nobody really tries to argue that Trump and W were on a cusp between the silent generation and the baby boom, we just say they are straight up baby boomers.

Obama born in 61 makes him between boomers and gen x, kinda either or.
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Am I reading it incorrectly, or is Trump cutting taxes for the rich but raising taxes for the poor by raising the lowest tax bracket from 10% to 12%?
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trump trickle down economics at work
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He's drafting an EO to allow individuals to cross state lines to buy health insurance for the upcoming open enrollment? That's a disaster of an idea aimed at insurers' bottom lines.
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The whole 'buying across state lines' stuff that's been peddled forever now isn't going to accomplish much if anything. Some states already allow it, and it's proven ineffective.

I mean if buying across state lines actually was beneficial, then I'd be all for it. If it actually helped, I don't see why anyone would be against it. But it doesn't.
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The primary issues are that it adds further uncertainty to insurance pools, and it pits state level regulators against one another and thus encourages a race to the bottom.
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There's also the issue of negotiating with local doctors.
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Dancedreamer posted...

Am I reading it incorrectly, or is Trump cutting taxes for the rich but raising taxes for the poor by raising the lowest tax bracket from 10% to 12%?

Probably. We don't actually know e.g. the dollar amounts on these brackets, so it could turn out that, say, your first 10k of income is untaxed, but I certainly wouldn't expect that.
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i haven't read the fine print, but it seems like they are raising the standard deduction.

overall it looks like complete garbage. tax cut for those making more than $400,000 a year and corporations, tax increases for everyone else, removal of deductions for homeowners

i'd laugh but there is a non-zero chance it'll go through
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I think the taxes of people who currently only take the standard deduction should go down some?

Still batshit stupid either way though, and I say that as somebody who probably benefits a bit.
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Dancedreamer posted...

There's also the issue of negotiating with local doctors.

You're right, I completely skipped over that. Developing networks is tricky business.
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http://www.wisn.com/article/kill-the-idiot-players-who-kneel-racine-businessman-says/12484242

Wisconsin restaurant owner says players who kneel should be killed.

Isn't this something like... Kim Jong Un would do?
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https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/913409454934233089

CNN is trash.

The NFL is losing ratings partially from right wingers who hate the protests, but mostly because:

1) Youth are not watching it as much, and also not playing as much (possible due to CTE?)

2) The league put too much stock into QBs, modifiying the rules for them, that came of age sometime in the mid 00s. Passing TD records were starting to be shattered year in and out (Manning's 04, Brady's 07...uh oh). Manning is gone, Brady is 40, Brees is ancient. Roethlisberger, Rivers, Eli ("best qb class evarrr!") are mid 30s. Rodgers is 33, tail end of prime tbh. The current crop of in their prime QBs are guys like Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Russell Wilson, Matt Stafford, Cam Newton. Guys in shit markets, or boring, or both. Another fun fact: the whole "man Andrew Luck is gonna have a cabinet full of MVPs" crowd needs to shut up, hes 28. He should be in his early prime by now, and honestly people are still somewhat acting like hes some young up and comer.

3) Last year and definitely this year's rookie RB class shows the next era will be more running game, similar to the early 00s when the league revolved around Brady, Manning, but also Tomlinson, Alexander, McCallister, Bettis, James, Hearst, etc.

4) The biggest storylines are repeating year in and out, mostly revolving around New England dominance/scandals. I mean we've been living the Pats 07 16-no season for a while now (preseason people were comparing 07 and this year's team asking who is better ffs), and people are bored of it. Its not fun social media talking points anymore. Deflategate was such a fucking joke for extra drama/ratings and people are tired of it tbh. The league needs less patriots dominance and drama, and dominance and drama from other franchises too.
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There's this thing past the headline that's called 'the article'. If you actually read it, you'll see that he's not contradicting himself at all.

The Ratings decline has little to do with a few players not standing for the anthem. There's many factors to the ratings, including: Oversaturation (Thursday, Sunday early game, Sunday late game, Sunday Night football, Monday Night Football) Lack of Parity (contributing to the fact the same teams win every year) and the fact that tv ratings overall are down as people turn to other sources and cut the cable.
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Some day Ulti will start reading the articles he complains about but today is not that day.
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Metal_DK posted...

I have barely posted about it the past few months

And I was thankful for the respite, but then you had to go and ruin it by bringing it up several times in succession - and directly addressing me with it for that matter just to REALLY drive it under my skin when I never even addressed you at all in the first place. Especially with a statement that reeks of confirmation bias.

Metal_DK posted...

But i mean you can not deny that late 06 through early 08 was what caused all this mess we live in.

I absolutely can deny it. The evidence in favor of it is circumstantial, at best. At worst, it's yet another era of "I don't like the direction society is going so I will blame technology", just as we've been doing since fucking Plato.

Metal_DK posted...

Show me an academic person who believes in flat earth BS.

I cannot, but I could probably show you academic people who insist that humans are vegetarian or, at the very least, believe we should be.
Not to mention that just because an academic person says something doesn't make it gospel truth.

Metal_DK posted...

Social media + the internet in our pockets = bad things.

What a naive viewpoint. You do realize good things have come about, too, right? Support networks have increased, socializing is easier than it ever has been, even for introverts, and now there's no excuse for not fact checking (unless you believe that all fact checking websites are of the devil or something)

Listen. I respect you when you're not talking about The "cassulll revtuoin of 20987". But when you do talk about it, I get this grimace on my face:

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/067/917/remiq.net_9526.jpg

It's as annoying as militant veganism is. Focusing explicitly on the negative of something (meat, social media/pocket internet) in order to push an idea and shoving it down people's throats when they don't immediately agree with you.

Also, calling it the "Casual Revolution" just reminds me of modern day gaming culture's obsession with blaming casuals for everything they don't like in video games, which just further pisses me off.

This is the last time I'm addressing this. I'm not going to treat your silly theory with any more credibility than this, no more than I treat militant veganism.
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also: while I don't personally know any academics who believe the earth is flat, I do know academics who think the earth is only 5k years old.

so.
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dowolf posted...

also: while I don't personally know any academics who believe the earth is flat, I do know academics who think the earth is only 5k years old.

so.

Thank you very much for that
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Now Trump is saying NFL owners won't get their players under control when it comes to standing for the Anthem because the owners "are afraid of their players."

What? I don't WANT to see that as stoking the big scary black men stereotype but I'm baffled as to any other interpretation.
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https://twitter.com/glennkesslerwp/status/913467140371615744

Coal is back in a big way! Economy saved!
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https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/913499431475007488

My favorite post in a thread about how the Trump administration won't address the reality that Trump's tax reform plan mostly benefits people like Trump.
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That doesn't even begin to cover countertop alone
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Jakyl25 posted...

Now Trump is saying NFL owners won't get their players under control when it comes to standing for the Anthem because the owners "are afraid of their players."

What? I don't WANT to see that as stoking the big scary black men stereotype but I'm baffled as to any other interpretation.

I guess if you squint he's saying theyre afraid of their union?
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/glennkesslerwp/status/913467140371615744

Coal is back in a big way! Economy saved!

Fffffffffffffff

Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/913499431475007488

My favorite post in a thread about how the Trump administration won't address the reality that Trump's tax reform plan mostly benefits people like Trump.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff

God dammit.

If anyone still believes "They're rich so they must be smart/cunning" then I would like to personally slap you.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/913499431475007488

My favorite post in a thread about how the Trump administration won't address the reality that Trump's tax reform plan mostly benefits people like Trump.

NPR had a guy on this morning and I wish I could find the interview. It was Mark Schweiker, the Congressman from Arizona who helped write the bill and he was like OFFENDED that people were pretending this tax cut was gratuitous and was like OFFENDED on the behalf of the math.

It was one of the most bizarre rants I had ever heard.
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Here is the full quote by Trump:

"I have so many friends that are owners. And they're in a box," Trump said. "I mean I've spoken to a couple of them. They say, 'We are in a situation where we have to do something.' I think they're afraid of their players, you want to know the truth."

You PUT them in that box dude
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did he miss the owners down on the field with their teams? or all the other owner statements?
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I think he believes that they don't really want to do/say those things, but they do so out of fear.
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lmao
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New line of attack from the alt-right alert:

They're starting to try to present the idea that the #FakeNews mainstream media is coaching Puerto Rico residents to act like things are worse than they are, to make Trump look bad for not helping more.
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"I mean, it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?"
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LordoftheMorons posted...

"I mean, it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?"

I've seen the quote on Twitter getting passed around of someone saying "In trying to exaggerate the incompetence of the Bush Administration, Arrested Development actually just predicted the Trump Administration."
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Jakyl25 posted...

New line of attack from the alt-right alert:

They're starting to try to present the idea that the #FakeNews mainstream media is coaching Puerto Rico residents to act like things are worse than they are, to make Trump look bad for not helping more.

Relevant thread:

https://twitter.com/AynRandPaulRyan/status/913426909282713600

1- I received a DM from a vetted source who wishes to remain anonymous.
S/he was on a conference call with FEMA on Monday, September 25.

2- This is 5 days after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico. Others on the call: https://t.co/geJvXDsgr4

3- "Then, after every department reported their activities and projections,
it was time for the White House to issue their report."

4- WH answer?

No report, no activity.Nothing planned for Puerto Rico.

"We were all stunned", this source said.

5 - Meaning until Monday the 25th, (nearly a WEEK after Hurricane Maria made landfall), the WH had no plans to make any moves in PR

6- ...while DoD, FEMA, all government agencies and non-government agencies were ready to go or had already started activities on the ground.

7- This is worse than Katrina.
Bush was inept and unprepared.

Trump just does not give a fuck about brown people.
Period.

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On her timeline she shares a source independently corroborating hers

https://twitter.com/kendilaniannbc/status/913488079100444678

US officials privately acknowledge that the Trump Administration was too slow to involve the military in Puerto Rico response.

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https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/913510373860327424

Thread about Kushner being in deep shit for not disclosing private email accounts he does government business with

I feel like he didn't initially disclose very much at all at this point
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lock him up!!!
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i can't believe it's not butter emails
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Some Louisiana schools are threatening to punish kids if they kneel for the Anthem at football games

If those are public schools, that crosses a line IMO
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gerrymandering-is-on-trial/?ex_cid=538twitter

Next week political gerrymandering comes up before the Supreme Court.
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Hopefully Kennedy rules against it

If not it's yet another casualty of McConnell's theft of Garland's seat (and yet another thing that could have been prevented by a Clinton win).
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/913510373860327424

Thread about Kushner being in deep shit for not disclosing private email accounts he does government business with

I feel like he didn't initially disclose very much at all at this point

I feel like Kushner is liable to be arrested for this since its going to be hard to claim incompetence quite this hard
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O/U: If arrested, The Kush gets pardoned quicker than Puerto Rico received aid.
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