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Blightzkrieg
09/27/17 4:45:12 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
He has a younger sister.

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RCtheWSBC
09/27/17 4:46:25 PM
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Omfg Bligh she's definitely over 18 by now
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adjl
09/27/17 4:47:08 PM
#53:


ZiggiStardust posted...
ok you're right, that makes it ok that he badmouths others who actually need social security checks, including minorities, the disabled, veterans, etc and others who are doing nothing but "looking for a hand out", ok?


No it doesn't. Nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy in-context, or criticizing him for making such points. This kind of proactive personal harassment is just outright bullying, though, and acting as though his life situation should be blamed on him personally instead of on his mental health issues is a gross misunderstanding of the nature of mental health.
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ZiggiStardust
09/27/17 4:48:21 PM
#54:


Blightzkrieg posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
He has a younger sister.

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considering his history and attitude towards women throughout the years, i feel really bad for her, ok?

hopefully she has nothing to do with him at this point.
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RedPixel
09/27/17 4:48:48 PM
#55:


adjl posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
ok you're right, that makes it ok that he badmouths others who actually need social security checks, including minorities, the disabled, veterans, etc and others who are doing nothing but "looking for a hand out", ok?


No it doesn't. Nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy in-context, or criticizing him for making such points. This kind of proactive personal harassment is just outright bullying, though, and acting as though his life situation should be blamed on him personally instead of on his mental health issues is a gross misunderstanding of the nature of mental health.

Nailed it.
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Jen0125
09/27/17 4:50:10 PM
#56:


Blightzkrieg posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
He has a younger sister.

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lmao
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RedPixel
09/27/17 4:51:01 PM
#57:


ZiggiStardust posted...
considering his history and attitude towards women throughout the years, i feel really bad for her, ok?

Quit being a dick. Now you bring his sister into it?
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ZiggiStardust
09/27/17 4:51:35 PM
#58:


adjl posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
ok you're right, that makes it ok that he badmouths others who actually need social security checks, including minorities, the disabled, veterans, etc and others who are doing nothing but "looking for a hand out", ok?

No it doesn't. Nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy in-context, or criticizing him for making such points. This kind of proactive personal harassment is just outright bullying, though, and acting as though his life situation should be blamed on him personally instead of on his mental health issues is a gross misunderstanding of the nature of mental health.

bul·ly1
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verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.

i don't feel i'm superior to him in strength or intellect at all. i'm certainly not influencing him, that's for damn sure. i just feel what he says and does is shitty, ok?
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ZiggiStardust
09/27/17 4:52:11 PM
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RedPixel posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
considering his history and attitude towards women throughout the years, i feel really bad for her, ok?

Quit being a dick. Now you bring his sister into it?

i didn't bring it up, someone else did. i just feel sorry for her is all, ok?
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adjl
09/27/17 4:58:12 PM
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ZiggiStardust posted...
adjl posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
ok you're right, that makes it ok that he badmouths others who actually need social security checks, including minorities, the disabled, veterans, etc and others who are doing nothing but "looking for a hand out", ok?

No it doesn't. Nothing wrong with pointing out hypocrisy in-context, or criticizing him for making such points. This kind of proactive personal harassment is just outright bullying, though, and acting as though his life situation should be blamed on him personally instead of on his mental health issues is a gross misunderstanding of the nature of mental health.

bul·ly1
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verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.

i don't feel i'm superior to him in strength or intellect at all. i'm certainly not influencing him, that's for damn sure. i just feel what he says and does is shitty, ok?


Come now, even I don't completely ignore the actual point in favour of being obnoxiously pedantic. Surely you're not going to try to out-pedant me.
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ZiggiStardust
09/27/17 4:59:39 PM
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adjl posted...
pedantic

i don't know what that word means, which further proves my point i feel, ok?
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RCtheWSBC
09/27/17 5:00:26 PM
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ZiggiStardust posted...
adjl posted...
pedantic

i don't know what that word means, which further proves my point i feel, ok?

lmao stop, this is why i grounded you
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adjl
09/27/17 5:11:05 PM
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ZiggiStardust posted...
i don't know what that word means


You've supposedly got a dictionary handy. Sounds like a little self-improvement is in order.
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blacklabelice
09/27/17 5:17:31 PM
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what the fuck is an icoyar?
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-Komaiko54-
09/27/17 6:13:26 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
adjl posted...
A therapist can only help you if you let them, and depression's avolition is a major obstacle to that. Again, that's what outside support is for, so somebody without that outside support is going to struggle tremendously with that.

my, the excuses we make...

Not to comment on ico specifically, because I generally don't comment on people's offline lives unless they bring it up themselves, but adjl is completely correct when he said that real, bonafide depression is a neurochemical condition. It's a lot more than just "having the blues" or "not trying hard enough"; it's a literal chemical imbalance in your brain that fucks around with your moods and your motivation. That's why most treatment for depression involves medication - it's often not enough to just talk it out with a psychologist (although that's typically included as well), you need some things to adjust a chemical imbalance.

I grew up with a family member that had depression. She had a great life - her husband pulled in $750k a year, they loved each other dearly, she lived in a nice house in the country, her life was great and she completely acknowledged that - and she couldn't understand why she was constantly miserable and some days could barely muster the energy to get out of bed.

Depression isn't an excuse; it's a disease that requires proper treatment.


Then why hasn't he done anything to actually treat that disease, huh? In his case it really isn't an excuse
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darkknight109
09/27/17 6:22:11 PM
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-Komaiko54- posted...
darkknight109 posted...
ZiggiStardust posted...
adjl posted...
A therapist can only help you if you let them, and depression's avolition is a major obstacle to that. Again, that's what outside support is for, so somebody without that outside support is going to struggle tremendously with that.

my, the excuses we make...

Not to comment on ico specifically, because I generally don't comment on people's offline lives unless they bring it up themselves, but adjl is completely correct when he said that real, bonafide depression is a neurochemical condition. It's a lot more than just "having the blues" or "not trying hard enough"; it's a literal chemical imbalance in your brain that fucks around with your moods and your motivation. That's why most treatment for depression involves medication - it's often not enough to just talk it out with a psychologist (although that's typically included as well), you need some things to adjust a chemical imbalance.

I grew up with a family member that had depression. She had a great life - her husband pulled in $750k a year, they loved each other dearly, she lived in a nice house in the country, her life was great and she completely acknowledged that - and she couldn't understand why she was constantly miserable and some days could barely muster the energy to get out of bed.

Depression isn't an excuse; it's a disease that requires proper treatment.


Then why hasn't he done anything to actually treat that disease, huh? In his case it really isn't an excuse

Again, I'm not talking about ico specifically, mostly because I find calling someone out like this topic is doing to be distasteful, unless they bring up the subject themselves. Hell, I don't even know if he has depression.

So yeah, form your own opinion about him as you will. All I'm saying is that where depression is involved, it isn't just something that magically goes away with sufficient willpower.
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ClarkDuke
09/27/17 6:36:14 PM
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adjl
09/27/17 11:08:52 PM
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-Komaiko54- posted...
Then why hasn't he done anything to actually treat that disease, huh?

adjl posted...
I personally consider being neurochemically incapable of motivation to be a pretty good excuse for not being motivated. Finding the motivation to recover from depression usually relies on outside support, unless it happens spontaneously.


I take it the reason you didn't respond to my other reply is because you don't actually have any basis for refuting it?
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Melon_Master
09/27/17 11:30:20 PM
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adjl posted...
-Komaiko54- posted...
Then why hasn't he done anything to actually treat that disease, huh?

adjl posted...
I personally consider being neurochemically incapable of motivation to be a pretty good excuse for not being motivated. Finding the motivation to recover from depression usually relies on outside support, unless it happens spontaneously.


I take it the reason you didn't respond to my other reply is because you don't actually have any basis for refuting it?

I attempted to go over this with ICO years back, he basically told me psychiatric help is a waste of everyone's time, as he's more informed on his condition than any medical doctor he'll meet.
I can understand your motivation to defend him adjl, but you're wasting your time here.
Short of any of us meeting him face to face, any information on his personal life is likely heavily biased in favor of his side. He's even admitted he's a narcissist, so this whole topic is stroking his ego.. :/
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adjl
09/27/17 11:36:14 PM
#70:


Melon_Master posted...
I attempted to go over this with ICO years back, he basically told me psychiatric help is a waste of everyone's time, as he's more informed on his condition than any medical doctor he'll meet.


Which, again, is depression talking, with a touch of his difficulty grasping the concept of moderation. He's externally validated his self-loathing because he's been given that chance, and nobody's prevented him from doing so. Being aggressively unmotivated isn't particularly unusual in depression cases, usually courtesy of the sense that the person is so worthless that there's no point in trying to help them.
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Jen0125
09/27/17 11:51:29 PM
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i think you're e-diagnosing icoyar, adjl. you're not a psychologist and if you are you're not icyoar's psychologist. so maybe you should stop trying to diagnose him.
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HelIWithoutSin
09/28/17 12:21:35 AM
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He's clearly motivated enough to defraud social security each month.
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wwinterj25
09/28/17 1:41:22 AM
#73:


Jen0125 posted...
he abuses the disability system to a horrible degree.


I wondered how he could afford all this shit with just dole money. Now I have my answer.
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Melon_Master
09/28/17 2:19:58 AM
#74:


adjl posted...
Melon_Master posted...
I attempted to go over this with ICO years back, he basically told me psychiatric help is a waste of everyone's time, as he's more informed on his condition than any medical doctor he'll meet.


Which, again, is depression talking, with a touch of his difficulty grasping the concept of moderation. He's externally validated his self-loathing because he's been given that chance, and nobody's prevented him from doing so. Being aggressively unmotivated isn't particularly unusual in depression cases, usually courtesy of the sense that the person is so worthless that there's no point in trying to help them.

I never said it wasn't, but he shows major signs of abnormal social behavior and constant failure to understand what is real, along with reduced social engagement.
If he had anxiety or past substance-use disorders, I might think he suffers from schizophrenia. But after all the past PM's with him, I'd wager he's just a sociopath. :/
While your intentions are honorable, you're wasting time. He's purposely dug the hole he's in, so I suggest you avoid wasting time unless he requests the help. You'll just drive yourself mad otherwise.
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adjl
09/28/17 9:35:38 AM
#75:


Jen0125 posted...
i think you're e-diagnosing icoyar, adjl.


Duh.

HelIWithoutSin posted...
He's clearly motivated enough to defraud social security each month.


Odds are his parents set that up for him, and it requires very little effort to maintain.

Melon_Master posted...
You'll just drive yourself mad otherwise.


That's one of the perks of abandoning sanity: nothing can ever make you crazier.
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edededdy
09/28/17 11:00:24 AM
#76:


it's fun watching ziggi and adjl, 2 of the boards biggest jacksses, fight like an old married couple.

adjl fuck off man you're annoying as fuck and your textbook answers to everything are shit
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InfernalFive
09/28/17 11:33:29 AM
#77:


edededdy posted...
it's fun watching ziggi and adjl, 2 of the boards biggest jacksses, fight like an old married couple.

adjl fuck off man you're annoying as fuck and your textbook answers to everything are shit

Speaking of jackasses...
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StelioKontos
09/28/17 11:50:23 AM
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I think Ico knows exactly what he's doing and he's just trolling you guys. Who knows what he has told us about his life is real and what is simply fabricated. Trying to diagnose someone based on what they say on a video game forum known for trolling is a waste of time.
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ZiggiStardust
09/28/17 11:52:48 AM
#79:


StelioKontos posted...
I think Ico knows exactly what he's doing and he's just trolling you guys. Who knows what he has told us about his life is real and what is simply fabricated. Trying to diagnose someone based on what they say on a video game forum known for trolling is a waste of time.

how is it trolling when he's the butt of the joke? that makes no sense, ok?
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StelioKontos
09/28/17 12:02:16 PM
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Well he definitely upsets and annoys a fair amount of people on this board. Maybe trolling is the wrong word, but he is purposely trying to annoy people with some of the things he posts.
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-Komaiko54-
09/28/17 12:19:09 PM
#81:


StelioKontos posted...
Well he definitely upsets and annoys a fair amount of people on this board. Maybe trolling is the wrong word, but he is purposely trying to annoy people with some of the things he posts.


Nah he's just naturally annoying
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edededdy
09/28/17 12:38:58 PM
#82:


@InfernalFive posted...
edededdy posted...
it's fun watching ziggi and adjl, 2 of the boards biggest jacksses, fight like an old married couple.

adjl fuck off man you're annoying as fuck and your textbook answers to everything are shit

Speaking of jackasses...

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TES_Nut
09/28/17 1:54:58 PM
#83:


I understand the kind of traps people can fall into. I didn't get outta my parents house until I was 29. That said I understood that my problems were ultimately of my own making.

I didn't milk the system, and with an adhd diagnosis I could have. I could work and function just fine on my own but chose not to, and that those programs are for people that truly needed help.

I didn't talk about weird things like poop and conspiracy theories and wonder why no one liked me.

It was because I talked about weird shit. Also I generally don't shower as often as I should.

Nathan, ultimately I'm on your side buddy. But you gotta get a grip man.
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DirtBasedSoap
09/28/17 2:01:32 PM
#84:


imagine harassing people with autism on a video game message board
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Currant_Kaiser
09/28/17 2:03:55 PM
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Why is everyone assuming he has a mental disability?
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ZiggiStardust
09/28/17 2:08:58 PM
#86:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
imagine harassing people with (the a-word) on a video game message board

yeah, you brought this up, not me. if i weren't such a nice guy, i'd probably mark your post, ok?
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edededdy
09/28/17 2:40:35 PM
#87:


Currant_Kaiser posted...
Why is everyone assuming he has a mental disability?

pretty sure he admitted as much at one time
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I_Abibde
09/29/17 7:44:53 AM
#88:


He recently bought himself a spot on my ignore list.

Should have done that a long time ago, to be honest.
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DirtBasedSoap
09/29/17 5:34:11 PM
#89:


Currant_Kaiser posted...
Why is everyone assuming he has a mental disability?

he's talked about his aspergers before
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Zareth
09/29/17 10:19:33 PM
#90:


Sometimes I feel like I can sympathize with ICOYAR because I'm in a similar situation to him, but then I remember that he's a terrible person and I laugh it off.
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ZiggiStardust
09/29/17 10:36:03 PM
#91:


Zareth posted...
Sometimes I feel like I can sympathize with ICOYAR because I'm in a similar situation to him, but then I remember that he's a terrible person and I laugh it off.

You're light years beyond ICOYAR, ok?
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ClarkDuke
09/30/17 1:47:54 AM
#92:


Zareth posted...
Sometimes I feel like I can sympathize with ICOYAR because I'm in a similar situation to him, but then I remember that he's a terrible person and I laugh it off.

Feels like it was yesterday, his mom was going to drive him to see his Indonesian girlfriend.
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