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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:32:54 PM
#102:


RaptorLC posted...
Admiral has the temerity to call others a joke when he's handwaving Nazi terrorism with "b-b-b-b-ut librulhs".

Right on, brotato chip.


The only handwaving is from you, who seems to take an absurd defensive position when leftist violence in Charlottesville is also being called out. I'm not sure why you don't think it's possible to condemn both the idiot who ran over people with his car AND SIMULTANEOUSLY all the idiots on the left who showed up with mace and baseball bats to start violence.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:33:02 PM
#103:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
That's quite an assumption you have there. Also it's nice how you conveniently ignore the many times I do stick up for the left and their message. I'm center not right or left.

You're alt right, which is far right. You don't like immigrants and you think American culture needs to be protected from foreigners. That makes you racist, and also regressive.
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 12:33:09 PM
#104:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
I take it Addy didn't read the article or watch the hidden camera interviews where the one leader calls for a forceful ethno cleansing and Muslims being forced into concentration camps?

Or perhaps he doesn't think that's violence, who knows


So he went undercover and filmed the actual Nazis that hijacked the movement therefore every alt right person is a Nazi, even those before the Nazis hijacked the movement?

What about the alt lite? Or just everyday citizens? What about those that might have overlapping beliefs as the racist alt righters, bemive like less immigration but not beliefs like ethnic cleansing?

Are they all just as evil? Because if you say yes then every movement can be condemned if some members who don't represent them act aggressively.

The alt-right is a self titled term by neo-nazis attempting to rebrand themselves cause neo-nazi became too toxic. There was no hijacking involved. If you're identifying yourself as alt-right then you're identifying yourself as a shy neo-nazi.


When the alt right started it was simply a movement that separated itself from the far right and republicans. The core message of the alt right was to slow down immigration, invigorate people to be proud of their countries and culture, and to preserve their identity against corrupt leaders who would strip it from them. All noble goals.

Then the actual racists saw it as a mainstream movement and hijacked the platform. Racists like Richard Spencer and David duke.

It's the same shit that happened with BLM. Shitty people always try to hijack successful movements to spread their own brand of hate and bigotry. It also approved to the SJW's.

Attack the bad parts and listen to the good parts of movements and denounce/separate the cancerous people that identify as part of it.

You're describing how neo-nazis equivocation their ideology by disguising it behind what you describe as "noble goals". Sure those goals are noble, but they're done with the intent of promoting white supremacy and white nationalism. There was no hijacking. The only thing that you described as being indubitable was the intent on separating themselves from Republicans and right wing conservatives. They created their movement because they wanted to attract like minded racists that feel as strongly as they do about blood and soil.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:33:20 PM
#105:


The Admiral posted...
It's no surprise that a writer who goes undercover to expose hatred on the right was assaulted by the left. But to you guys, they're the heroes. And folks like Raptor thinks it's trolling to condemn that behavior


Seems to be that the writer still finds fault with the alt right and seems to recognize they're to blame for his making. Why do you think you know better than someone who was actually there and infiltrated this group?
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Nepsy
09/20/17 12:35:25 PM
#106:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
From what I can tell NINExATExSEVEN is a white guy who claims to have Muslim relatives so he can use that as an excuse to demagogue all Muslims. (Same thing Milo does when he pretends to be Jewish or gay, it's like armor, "you can't criticize me because I know what Muslims are *really* like kind of thing.) He's also ultra-nationalists and doesn't want any white country to be polluted by foreigners, especially foreigners without a lot of money, and he has the least sympathy of all for Muslim refugees fleeing from war zones. He frequently makes posts in defense of Nazis, racists, and hate speech. Never in defense of liberals or "SJW's" though. He probably has a lot in common with the alt right politically which is why he defends them.


But who is more likely to assault me?

NineAteSeven or HorusLeftfield?

The leftist is more likely to assault me.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:36:52 PM
#107:


The Admiral posted...
I'm not sure why you don't think it's possible to condemn both the idiot who ran over people with his car AND SIMULTANEOUSLY all the idiots on the left who showed up with mace and baseball bats to start violence.


Do I need to post the Discord chat logs that were involved with the direct coordination of the UtR talking about how to hide weapons, memes about running over protesters, what legal weapons were allowed, what offensive and provokitive chants, among other things again? The fact that you blame the left for the violence in Charlottesville is fucking pathetic, much like you
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:36:58 PM
#108:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
It's no surprise that a writer who goes undercover to expose hatred on the right was assaulted by the left. But to you guys, they're the heroes. And folks like Raptor thinks it's trolling to condemn that behavior


Seems to be that the writer still finds fault with the alt right and seems to recognize they're to blame for his making. Why do you think you know better than someone who was actually there and infiltrated this group?


Where does he justify or rationalize the violent leftists assaulting him in that article?
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:37:11 PM
#109:


Nepsy posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
From what I can tell NINExATExSEVEN is a white guy who claims to have Muslim relatives so he can use that as an excuse to demagogue all Muslims. (Same thing Milo does when he pretends to be Jewish or gay, it's like armor, "you can't criticize me because I know what Muslims are *really* like kind of thing.) He's also ultra-nationalists and doesn't want any white country to be polluted by foreigners, especially foreigners without a lot of money, and he has the least sympathy of all for Muslim refugees fleeing from war zones. He frequently makes posts in defense of Nazis, racists, and hate speech. Never in defense of liberals or "SJW's" though. He probably has a lot in common with the alt right politically which is why he defends them.


But who is more likely to assault me?

NineAteSeven or HorusLeftfield?

The leftist is more likely to assault me.

If you're a Nazi, then yeah, leftists are probably more likely to assault you than other Nazis.
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 12:37:18 PM
#110:


RaptorLC posted...
Admiral has the temerity to call others a joke when he's handwaving Nazi terrorism with "b-b-b-b-ut librulhs".

Right on, brotato chip.

I think he has just burrowed in.
I doubt he is a bad guy. I'm betting things would go much better, if you spoke to him IRL. Here, he just plays "I'm right" in his head.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/20/17 12:37:49 PM
#111:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Attack the bad parts and listen to the good parts of movements and denounce/separate the cancerous people that identify as part of it.

I imagine you'll be apologizing for all the times you called Islam an evil religion and demanded Muslim immigrants and refugees be kept out of the country then.


I've said many times that not all Muslims should be treated as violent suspects, but we have to attack the bad parts of Islam even if Muslims get offended.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:38:18 PM
#112:


LordRazziel posted...
RaptorLC posted...
Admiral has the temerity to call others a joke when he's handwaving Nazi terrorism with "b-b-b-b-ut librulhs".

Right on, brotato chip.

I think he has just burrowed in.
I doubt he is a bad guy. I'm betting things would go much better, if you spoke to him IRL. Here, he just plays "I'm right" in his head.

He's a bad guy.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:39:10 PM
#113:


LordRazziel posted...
I doubt he is a bad guy. I'm betting things would go much better, if you spoke to him IRL. Here, he just plays "I'm right" in his head.


But then his whole facade about being a successful businessman who spends his days lying about being Jewish to hook up with Jewish woman on dating sites would be exposed, so of course he can't have that
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:39:25 PM
#114:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm not sure why you don't think it's possible to condemn both the idiot who ran over people with his car AND SIMULTANEOUSLY all the idiots on the left who showed up with mace and baseball bats to start violence.


Do I need to post the Discord chat logs that were involved with the direct coordination of the UtR talking about how to hide weapons, memes about running over protesters, what legal weapons were allowed, what offensive and provokitive chants, among other things again? The fact that you blame the left for the violence in Charlottesville is fucking pathetic, much like you


The fact that you DON'T place any blame on the leftist who showed up with mace and baseball bats, and who initiated the violence in many cases which is capture on video, is what's really pathetic.

I'm really sorry that's inconvenient for you, but the idiot running over people in his car isn't a magical "get out of responsibility" card that excuses all the hateful leftists who showed up and started violence. Both sides had shitheads who deserve blame here, but you and others on this board only ever seem interested in blaming one side.
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FrisbeeDude
09/20/17 12:40:13 PM
#115:


"Yeah the alt right racists were pretty bad, and the guy who tried to mow down dozens of people is fucked up, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ALT LEFT CANT WE TALK ABOUT THEM"

Stay hacky, Addy
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EvoTech
09/20/17 12:40:23 PM
#116:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced himself came from the left.


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RaptorLC
09/20/17 12:41:46 PM
#117:


See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 12:42:24 PM
#118:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm not sure why you don't think it's possible to condemn both the idiot who ran over people with his car AND SIMULTANEOUSLY all the idiots on the left who showed up with mace and baseball bats to start violence.


Do I need to post the Discord chat logs that were involved with the direct coordination of the UtR talking about how to hide weapons, memes about running over protesters, what legal weapons were allowed, what offensive and provokitive chants, among other things again? The fact that you blame the left for the violence in Charlottesville is fucking pathetic, much like you


The fact that you DON'T blame the leftist who showed up with mace and baseball bats, and who initiated the violence in many cases which is capture on video, is what's really pathetic.

I'm really sorry that's inconvenient for you, but the idiot running over people in his car isn't a magical "get out of responsibility" card that excuses all the hateful leftists who showed up and started violence. Both sides had shitheads who deserve blame here, but you and others on this board only ever seem interested in blaming one side.

Cause saying mean words to someone isn't an excuse to run them over with your car. Pretty crazy how can attack liberals for being apologists for crimes committed by Muslims white at the same time apologizing for nazis killing people.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:45:15 PM
#119:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
LordRazziel posted...
I doubt he is a bad guy. I'm betting things would go much better, if you spoke to him IRL. Here, he just plays "I'm right" in his head.


But then his whole facade about being a successful businessman who spends his days lying about being Jewish to hook up with Jewish woman on dating sites would be exposed, so of course he can't have that

He also doesn't see anything wrong with the Trail of Tears.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:46:24 PM
#120:


RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 12:47:10 PM
#121:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
LordRazziel posted...
I doubt he is a bad guy. I'm betting things would go much better, if you spoke to him IRL. Here, he just plays "I'm right" in his head.


But then his whole facade about being a successful businessman who spends his days lying about being Jewish to hook up with Jewish woman on dating sites would be exposed, so of course he can't have that

He also doesn't see anything wrong with the Trail of Tears.

He'll also bullshit and argue that Muslims follow a barbaric religion that has no place with western society, make analogies about m&ms, and then set a place at the dinner table for some fucking nazis.
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 12:47:56 PM
#122:


The Admiral posted...
RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.

You're just apologizing for violent rightists while grandstanding about the left.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:48:10 PM
#123:


The Admiral posted...
RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.

I don't think you feel the same disgust for Neo Nazis. I think you're just saying that to give off the illusion of being a reasonable person to people like razziel who don't know what your real game is.
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RaptorLC
09/20/17 12:48:39 PM
#125:


Yes, you feel disgust for them, and are displaying it by deflecting as much as you can away from their acts, and trying to justify a terrorist act. You really make a poor liar.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/20/17 12:49:22 PM
#126:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
That's quite an assumption you have there. Also it's nice how you conveniently ignore the many times I do stick up for the left and their message. I'm center not right or left.

You're alt right, which is far right. You don't like immigrants and you think American culture needs to be protected from foreigners. That makes you racist, and also regressive.


When did I say I don't like immigrants? I have never said. I don't mind immigration at all but I do hate MASS immigration. And what's wrong with wanting to protect our core American cultural values like the constitution and our amendment's?
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 12:50:11 PM
#127:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Attack the bad parts and listen to the good parts of movements and denounce/separate the cancerous people that identify as part of it.

I imagine you'll be apologizing for all the times you called Islam an evil religion and demanded Muslim immigrants and refugees be kept out of the country then.


I've said many times that not all Muslims should be treated as violent suspects, but we have to attack the bad parts of Islam even if Muslims get offended.

If I knew a place where I could see your archives posts I could pretty easily disprove that. You've never been so charitable to Islam or Muslims.
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 12:50:12 PM
#128:


The Admiral posted...
RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.


No, you're an apologist for the violent right.

You're also the definition of someone who's morally grandstanding.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:51:09 PM
#129:


RaptorLC posted...
Yes, you feel disgust for them, and are displaying it by deflecting as much as you can away from their acts, and trying to justify a terrorist act. You really make a poor liar.


Acknowledging is not deflecting. And literally no one has justified the terrorist act.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:51:51 PM
#131:


The Admiral posted...
RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.


No, you just refuse to see how the neo Nazis were trying to incite violence and therefore deserve the brunt of the blame for what happened in Charlottesville. You can try to defend it all you want, the entire UtR march was layered in violence and they are to blame for the events that happened. I don't give a shit if that bothers you, that's reality
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Malcolm_Matar
09/20/17 12:53:16 PM
#132:


RaptorLC posted...
Yes, you feel disgust for them, and are displaying it by deflecting as much as you can away from their acts, and trying to justify a terrorist act. You really make a poor liar.

If you think he's trolling, mod him. Ban him. For fuck's sake, ban him.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:54:43 PM
#133:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
No, you just refuse to see how the neo Nazis were trying to incite violence and therefore deserve the brunt of the blame for what happened in Charlottesville.


I never denied that the alt-right protesters in Charlottesville were the main problem. My issue with you and this board is the claim that the leftist protesters who showed up with mace and baseball bats and initiated violence in many cases are blameless and justified in their violence.

They're not. This myth that they're heroes and are justified in their actions because they're "fighting Nazis" is horseshit that needs to stop.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 12:55:26 PM
#134:


Malcolm_Matar posted...
RaptorLC posted...
Yes, you feel disgust for them, and are displaying it by deflecting as much as you can away from their acts, and trying to justify a terrorist act. You really make a poor liar.

If you think he's trolling, mod him. Ban him. For fuck's sake, ban him.


Pretty certain Raptor is no fan of yours, ROD.
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Nepsy
09/20/17 12:55:41 PM
#135:


RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Your grandfather fought real Nazis though, libruls today are s*** and call any dissenters Nazis but also if ignore Islamic terrorism, demographics issues, etc

Also pls respond:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75795207

Start loving your country for once, RaptorLC.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:57:13 PM
#136:


The Admiral posted...

Acknowledging is not deflecting. And literally no one has justified the terrorist act


You honestly are blaming the left for the violence in Charlottesville despite the evidence before the event showing the violent intent, the coordination of the event between white supremacists, the actions taken by the violent alt fighters to incite violence during the event, etc.

Just fucking admit you blame the left for Heathers death already like we all know you believe
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Malcolm_Matar
09/20/17 12:57:56 PM
#137:


The Admiral posted...
Malcolm_Matar posted...
RaptorLC posted...
Yes, you feel disgust for them, and are displaying it by deflecting as much as you can away from their acts, and trying to justify a terrorist act. You really make a poor liar.

If you think he's trolling, mod him. Ban him. For fuck's sake, ban him.


Pretty certain Raptor is no fan of yours, ROD.

Even if I were ROD, you'd still be The Admiral. There's no place in Heaven for you dude.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/20/17 12:59:00 PM
#138:


Horus_Leftfield posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Horus_Leftfield posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Attack the bad parts and listen to the good parts of movements and denounce/separate the cancerous people that identify as part of it.

I imagine you'll be apologizing for all the times you called Islam an evil religion and demanded Muslim immigrants and refugees be kept out of the country then.


I've said many times that not all Muslims should be treated as violent suspects, but we have to attack the bad parts of Islam even if Muslims get offended.

If I knew a place where I could see your archives posts I could pretty easily disprove that. You've never been so charitable to Islam or Muslims.


Ok but i'm telling you right now that i don't mind Muslims since I have family members that follow the religion, but I dislike radical forms of Islam and criticise it.

Is it really a bad thing to call on Islam to be reformed? Are you more concerned with the actual victims of radical Islam, or the feelings of Muslims who might be offended that you criticised radical islam?
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RaptorLC
09/20/17 12:59:21 PM
#139:


Fighting Nazis is a proud American tradition. Perhaps if you didn't side with traitors to this nation, you'd know that.
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Newhopes
09/20/17 12:59:29 PM
#140:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
RaptorLC posted...
See, that's the main thing. I am on the same side that my grandfather was 75 years ago - against the Nazis, and he did a lot more than just punch them.

Admiral can't seem to whip up that same moral conviction for some reason. It's really kind of distressing.

Come join the right side of history. Love your country, for once.


Not really sure what the point of this moral grandstanding is. I'm quite sure you and I feel the same disgust for these neo-Nazis, but the difference is that you're an apologist for violent leftists and I'm not.


No, you just refuse to see how the neo Nazis were trying to incite violence and therefore deserve the brunt of the blame for what happened in Charlottesville. You can try to defend it all you want, the entire UtR march was layered in violence and they are to blame for the events that happened. I don't give a shit if that bothers you, that's reality


No the brunt of the blame is on the left for that violence, it is the left that is constantly using violence to deplatform legal marches, speeches or whatever of anybody they hate.

Thankfully it seems like the police are actually starting to take the lefts violence seriously and policing events properly so things like Charlottesville don't happen again.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 12:59:39 PM
#141:


The Admiral posted...
My issue with you and this board is the claim that the leftist protesters who showed up with mace and baseball bats and initiated violence in many cases are blameless and justified in their violence.


Marching in the streets in paramilitary gear with concealed weapons while chanting inciting phrases and using inciting imagery means they imitated the violence. You fucking disgust me
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The Admiral
09/20/17 1:01:56 PM
#142:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
My issue with you and this board is the claim that the leftist protesters who showed up with mace and baseball bats and initiated violence in many cases are blameless and justified in their violence.


Marching in the streets in paramilitary gear with concealed weapons while chanting inciting phrases and using inciting imagery means they imitated the violence. You fucking disgust me


You just proved my point, so thank you. Why it's so hard for you to assign any blame to a leftist who showed up with mace and assaulted innocent people (e.g. this journalist) is unfathomable to me. It's stubbornness out of insecurity for your side's position.
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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 1:11:38 PM
#143:


The Admiral posted...
You just proved my point, so thank you. Why it's so hard for you to assign any blame to a leftist who showed up with mace and assaulted innocent people (e.g. this journalist) is unfathomable to me. It's stubbornness out of insecurity for your side's position.


There wasn't innocent people marching alongside neo Nazis, barring situations where someone was undercover and infiltrating them(dicey issue itself, see undercover cops). Anyone there marching was a scum bag trying to incite violence. And I want to know, do you believe Heathers death was the fault of the left? Seeing as you think they were the ones who started everything anyway

And trust me buddy, I'm far more secure in my political position and life than you'll ever be. I don't need to lie about my religion to get online dates, for starters.
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Newhopes
09/20/17 1:22:48 PM
#144:


They have every right to march, and the left has every right to counter protest, what you don't have a right to do is commit violence.
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ThyCorndog
09/20/17 1:27:09 PM
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whenever people defend neo nazis I always think of those americans who went off to fight for germany because of their germanic/"aryan" heritage. I wonder how many alt righters would go off to fight for nazi germany (or at the very least shill for nazi germany, since today's far right nationalists are cowards)
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EvoTech
09/20/17 2:10:35 PM
#146:


Why are leftists so violent?
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ThyCorndog
09/20/17 2:12:48 PM
#147:


EvoTech posted...
Why are leftists so violent?

because the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
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sktgamer_13dude
09/20/17 4:43:20 PM
#149:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...
My issue with you and this board is the claim that the leftist protesters who showed up with mace and baseball bats and initiated violence in many cases are blameless and justified in their violence.


Marching in the streets in paramilitary gear with concealed weapons while chanting inciting phrases and using inciting imagery means they imitated the violence. You fucking disgust me


You just proved my point, so thank you. Why it's so hard for you to assign any blame to a leftist who showed up with mace and assaulted innocent people (e.g. this journalist) is unfathomable to me. It's stubbornness out of insecurity for your side's position.

Says the guy who is defending people running over others with cars.

Violence is never the answer but your “BUT THE LEFT WAS VIOLENT!!!!” is just you brushing off the alt-right being just as if not more violent. Yes, people on the left macing others was stupid, but stop acting like the left is the only party at fault and stop acting like it’s the party most at fault.
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