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The Great Muta 22
09/20/17 11:21:12 AM
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opinion/alt-right-white-supremacy-undercover.html

Mr. Hermansson’s story offers vital insights into these groups’ tactics and their sometimes bizarre practices. During his time undercover, he hung out with heavily armed Holocaust deniers and attended gatherings where extremists drank mead from a traditional Viking horn and prayed to the Norse god Odin. In Charlottesville, he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.

In Britain, Mr. Hermansson attended a private dinner of extremists where Greg Johnson, a reclusive leading American far-right figure who is editor in chief of Counter-Currents Publishing, explained the need to “mainstream this stuff — or, more precisely, we need to bring the mainstream towards us.”

Mr. Johnson later expressed confidence that this process is working. “I see the upward curve in web traffic, and the upward trend in quality and quantity of younger people getting involved,” he told Mr. Hermansson in conversation captured on hidden-camera footage. (During that same chat, he said he believed in ethnic homelands and favored telling Jews, “You need to go to Israel or we’re going to freeze you out of our society.”)

This goal of mainstreaming is an abiding fixation of the far right, whose members are well aware of the problems their movement has had with attracting young people in recent decades. At one point in Mr. Hermansson’s footage, Colin Robertson, a far-right YouTube personality who goes by the name Millennial Woes, explained to an older extremist the importance of putting forward a friendly, accessible face: “If we don’t appear like angry misfits, then we will end up making friendships with people who don’t agree with us,” he said.

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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 11:23:55 AM
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Yep. This is why things like standing up for Nazis and hate speech, are not good. Even little things, like Pewdiepie making racist and anti-Semitic comments, are a gateway for young people to get into this shit.
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:28:35 AM
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They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:30:19 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 11:31:39 AM
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The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

You're a big part of the problem.
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Zeeak4444
09/20/17 11:31:48 AM
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BootyGif posted...
They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too


This was my first thought as well lmao.

Of course they'd pray to Odin.
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 11:32:53 AM
#7:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

Lol.
It's in you're own quote.
You have to be trolling.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:37:15 AM
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LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

Lol.
It's in you're own quote.
You have to be trolling.


No, I didn't miss anything. The leftist "counter-protesters" showed up and started spraying mace at people, then act shocked that some idiot drove a car into them. None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:37:37 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
BootyGif posted...
They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too


This was my first thought as well lmao.

Of course they'd pray to Odin.

They are a sad group of betas
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NeonOctopus
09/20/17 11:37:46 AM
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C_Pain
09/20/17 11:38:09 AM
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Most people who identify as alt-right are actually alt-light, and some are just trolling
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That_Happened
09/20/17 11:38:59 AM
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The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


Uhhh

and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.

the violence he experienced came from the left.

and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.

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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:39:42 AM
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That_Happened posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


Uhhh

and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.

the violence he experienced came from the left.

and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.

He doesn't care
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Broseph_Stalin
09/20/17 11:40:09 AM
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The Admiral posted...
None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.


nice of them not to assault people when they are alone
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:41:33 AM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
The Admiral posted...
None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.


nice of them not to assault people when they are alone


Yes, much unlike Antifa and other terrorist groups who proactively initiate violence.
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 11:42:04 AM
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The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

Lol.
It's in you're own quote.
You have to be trolling.


No, I didn't miss anything. The leftist "counter-protesters" showed up and started spraying mace at people, then act shocked that some idiot drove a car into them. None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.

That driver killed her because of his own hatred, not because of leftists.
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:42:38 AM
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Addy gets alt right triggered
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:42:50 AM
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LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

Lol.
It's in you're own quote.
You have to be trolling.


No, I didn't miss anything. The leftist "counter-protesters" showed up and started spraying mace at people, then act shocked that some idiot drove a car into them. None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.

That driver killed her because of his own hatred, not because of leftists.


Yeah, the fact that counter-protesters showed up and started attacking and macing people on his side was totally irrelevant, I'm sure.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 11:43:30 AM
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I really wish Sballen would just ban Admiral
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HypnoCoosh
09/20/17 11:43:50 AM
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Fuck extremists on both sides.

The leftists suck and the alt-right sucks.

Unfortunately the antifa seems to get a free pass on the shit storms they cause.
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hortanz
09/20/17 11:44:14 AM
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another interesting topic ruined by admiral attention whoring
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 11:46:43 AM
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The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.

Lol.
It's in you're own quote.
You have to be trolling.


No, I didn't miss anything. The leftist "counter-protesters" showed up and started spraying mace at people, then act shocked that some idiot drove a car into them. None of his experiences with the alt-right where insane leftists weren't present had any violence whatsoever.

That driver killed her because of his own hatred, not because of leftists.


Yeah, the fact that counter-protesters showed up and started attacking and macing people on his side was totally irrelevant, I'm sure.

So, if the right start macing people, it would be understandable, if someone on the left killed because of it?
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GeneralZhao
09/20/17 11:47:19 AM
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The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


imagine having a problem with someone getting maced but not with someone getting run over by a car
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Iron-Tarkus
09/20/17 11:47:51 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
BootyGif posted...
They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too


This was my first thought as well lmao.

Of course they'd pray to Odin.

Am I missing some historical event?

At what time did both Vikings and Nazis exist?
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:48:01 AM
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GeneralZhao posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


imagine having a problem with someone getting maced but not with someone getting run over by a car

Addy gonna add
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:48:33 AM
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LordRazziel posted...
So, if the right start macing people, it would be understandable, if someone on the left killed because of it?


Let's be clear there is difference between justified and understandable.

Is violence like that ever justified? No. But is it understandable why some guy who's already mentally unstable enough to be at a neo-Nazi rally would snap when people started assaulting and macing his side? Yes, it sadly is.

"Both sides" absolutely were to blame. Even this writer, who wasn't alt-right, was assaulted by violent leftists.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:49:28 AM
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BootyGif posted...
Addy gonna add


Either post your main or shut the fuck already.
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Malcolm_Matar
09/20/17 11:49:45 AM
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The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
So, if the right start macing people, it would be understandable, if someone on the left killed because of it?


Let's be clear there is difference between justified and understandable.

Is violence like that ever justified? No. But is it understandable why some guy who's already mentally unstable enough to be at a neo-Nazi rally would snap when people started assaulting and macing his side? Yes, it sadly is.

"Both sides" absolutely were to blame. Even this writer, who wasn't alt-right, was assaulted by violent leftists.

Racisting up another topic, eh Addy?
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:49:48 AM
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Imagine victim blaming a murdered woman
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BootyGif
09/20/17 11:50:18 AM
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The Admiral posted...
BootyGif posted...
Addy gonna add


Either post your main or shut the fuck already.

XD you are the saddest little man

Small hands
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Taxer
09/20/17 11:50:29 AM
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Iron-Tarkus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
BootyGif posted...
They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too


This was my first thought as well lmao.

Of course they'd pray to Odin.

Am I missing some historical event?

At what time did both Vikings and Nazis exist?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PwtSA1aKG4

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giantblimpN7
09/20/17 11:51:06 AM
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GeneralZhao posted...
The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


imagine having a problem with someone getting maced but not with someone getting run over by a car

No but it's ok because someone got maced.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:51:41 AM
#33:


BootyGif posted...
The Admiral posted...
BootyGif posted...
Addy gonna add


Either post your main or shut the fuck already.

XD you are the saddest little man

Small hands


Can't imagine why your main was banned, or why you're too chicken shit to say who it was.

Glad to see and two of ROD's alts getting it out of your system in this topic though.
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SGT_Conti
09/20/17 11:52:03 AM
#34:


Killing someone for people associated with you being maced is "understandable", but punching a Nazi, someone whose ideology is literally the extermination or subjugation of other races, is reprehensible and a flagrant violation of their free speech.
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Malcolm_Matar
09/20/17 11:52:39 AM
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Admiral, if you could choose to be reincarnated in an alternate earth where everyone is white, would you?
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 11:52:47 AM
#36:


The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
So, if the right start macing people, it would be understandable, if someone on the left killed because of it?


Let's be clear there is difference between justified and understandable.

Is violence like that ever justified? No. But is it understandable why some guy who's already mentally unstable enough to be at a neo-Nazi rally would snap when people started assaulting and macing his side? Yes, it sadly is.

"Both sides" absolutely were to blame. Even this writer, who wasn't alt-right, was assaulted by violent leftists.

You're not this generous with Muslims that snap and commit some extremist terrorist act. If only they were nazis then you'd justify their violence with equivocations.
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mario2000
09/20/17 11:53:01 AM
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hope addy didn't trip over his shoelaces rushing in here to defend the nazis he loves so much
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Phantom_Nook
09/20/17 11:53:21 AM
#38:


*the alt-right espouses KKK rhetoric*
Conservatives: Both sides!!!
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SkyrimQuotes
09/20/17 11:53:55 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
SKYRIM lS FOR THE NORDS!


Ulfric Stormcloak. Some here in Helgen call you a hero, but a hero doesn't use a power like the Voice to murder his King and usurp his throne. You started this war, plunged Skyrim into chaos, and now the Empire is going to put you down, and restore the peace.
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:54:19 AM
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mario2000 posted...
hope addy didn't trip over his shoelaces rushing in here to defend the nazis he loves so much


Another low-IQ strawman post from you. Ignored.

A_Good_Boy posted...
You're not this generous with Muslims that snap and commit some extremist terrorist act. If only they were nazis then you'd justify their violence with equivocations.


When has a group of Muslims who were minding their business come under attack and "snapped" like this?
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CatFAQS
09/20/17 11:54:45 AM
#41:


Small Hands Addy XD
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Fecundity
09/20/17 11:55:06 AM
#42:


What makes someone like The_Admiral want to defend Nazis...?
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A_Good_Boy
09/20/17 11:55:33 AM
#43:


mario2000 posted...
hope addy didn't trip over his shoelaces rushing in here to defend the nazis he loves so much

He's described neo-nazis as being peaceful because they had the good graces to get arrested before they could enact their scheme to blow up a couple of occupied buildings. So it's not really a surprise he has nothing but tempered words for the people that ran down Heather.
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Taxer
09/20/17 11:55:51 AM
#44:


Oh fuck off you Nazi sympathizer
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The Admiral
09/20/17 11:55:57 AM
#45:


CatFAQS posted...
Small Hands Addy XD

Fecundity posted...
What makes someone like The_Admiral want to defend Nazis...?


It's the alt parade in here. Must be getting really desperate now.
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NurseRedHeart
09/20/17 11:56:52 AM
#46:


The Admiral posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
he marched alongside hundreds of young neo-Nazis and white supremacists before he was sprayed with Mace by a counterprotester and witnessed the car attack that killed Heather Heyer.


In an article meant to vilify the alt-right, the violence he experienced came from the left.


Fucking rekt
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LordRazziel
09/20/17 11:57:44 AM
#47:


The Admiral posted...
LordRazziel posted...
So, if the right start macing people, it would be understandable, if someone on the left killed because of it?


Let's be clear there is difference between justified and understandable.

Is violence like that ever justified? No. But is it understandable why some guy who's already mentally unstable enough to be at a neo-Nazi rally would snap when people started assaulting and macing his side? Yes, it sadly is.

"Both sides" absolutely were to blame. Even this writer, who wasn't alt-right, was assaulted by violent leftists.

I agree.
My issue is with the fact that you never express understanding for the other side. You jump understand why White Nationalists kill someone, but vilify leftists for blocking trafic. You only casual admit that violence from people on the right is wrong, but some leftists put a tarp over a statue, and they are scum.
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Horus_Leftfield
09/20/17 11:58:01 AM
#48:


The Admiral posted...
CatFAQS posted...
Small Hands Addy XD

Fecundity posted...
What makes someone like The_Admiral want to defend Nazis...?


It's the alt parade in here.

Neo Nazis should have they free speech respected, but all Muslims should be harassed because terrorism
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Iron-Tarkus
09/20/17 11:58:23 AM
#49:


Taxer posted...
Iron-Tarkus posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
BootyGif posted...
They do realize the Viking ancestors fought and killed Nazis???

Quite successfully too


This was my first thought as well lmao.

Of course they'd pray to Odin.

Am I missing some historical event?

At what time did both Vikings and Nazis exist?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PwtSA1aKG4

Ya got me
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That_Happened
09/20/17 11:58:44 AM
#50:


LordRazziel posted...
My issue is with the fact that you never express understanding for the other side. You jump understand why White Nationalists kill someone, but vilify leftists for blocking trafic. You only casual admit that violence from people on the right is wrong, but some leftists put a tarp over a statue, and they are scum.

Don't forget, "punching a Nazi makes you worse than the Nazi because now you are a criminal."
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