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That_Happened
09/19/17 7:43:29 AM
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According to witness:

http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/09/18/25419894/witness-neo-nazi-threw-a-banana-before-he-got-socked-in-the-face

The man, whose name is still unknown, was being "belligerent" and "Alex Jones-style yelling" at passersby, which began drawing a small crowd, Duff toldThe Stranger.

One bystander, a white man, approached the neo-Nazi and yelled at him to "get the fuck out of our city." The neo-Nazi then called the man an "ape and threw a banana at him," Duff recalled. Within moments, another man ran from across the street and punched the neo-Nazi in the jaw, knocking him out.


Police tweeted that there were reports of a man in a Nazi armband screaming at people and instigating fights. By the time they arrived on the scene the man had been KOed. When he woke up, he declined to provide information about the incident and left after removing his armband.

One witness said it was a joyous occasion and it did a great job of bonding everyone in the area (who wasn't the Nazi).
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snesmaster40
09/19/17 7:48:06 AM
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Well, I guess he did nazi that coming.
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LightningAce11
09/19/17 7:48:37 AM
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Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?
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Dragonblade01
09/19/17 7:49:18 AM
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Can't throw shit at people.
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A_Good_Boy
09/19/17 7:49:26 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?

Only disingenuous shitposters on the internet do.
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gunplagirl
09/19/17 7:49:35 AM
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Nazi used banana
It has no effect!
Hero used punch
It's super effective! Critical hit!
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gunplagirl
09/19/17 7:50:10 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?

The bus stop cheered, for good reason
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Kineth
09/19/17 7:53:38 AM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?

Only disingenuous shitposters on the internet do.


Or genuinely disgusting people who hide their true motives.. who might also post on the internet.
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St0rmFury
09/19/17 7:53:58 AM
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He took a reich to the face.
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DezCaughtIt
09/19/17 7:55:05 AM
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Kineth posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?

Only disingenuous shitposters on the internet do.


Or genuinely disgusting people who hide their true motives.. who might also post on the internet.


It's a literal nazi. We had a whole war over this
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The_Donald
09/19/17 7:56:48 AM
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That_Happened posted...
By the time they arrived on the scene the man had been KOed. When he woke up, he declined to provide information about the incident and left after removing his armband.

It was this guy allegedly.

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-16/21856015_1564384306945252_7745713213253091328_n.mp4
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Kineth
09/19/17 7:57:02 AM
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DezCaughtIt posted...
Kineth posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
Regular people don't seem to give a shit if a nazi is punched, huh?

Only disingenuous shitposters on the internet do.


Or genuinely disgusting people who hide their true motives.. who might also post on the internet.


It's a literal nazi. We had a whole war over this


Yeah, I know. I was only expounding on what Good Boy posted, not providing a counterpoint.
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ReignFury
09/19/17 7:57:15 AM
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What would you get charged with if you threw a banana at a cop?
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Kineth
09/19/17 7:57:38 AM
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ReignFury posted...
What would you get charged with if you threw a banana at a cop?


Probably assaulting an officer.
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Dragonblade01
09/19/17 7:58:14 AM
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Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.
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averagejoel
09/19/17 8:00:29 AM
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anyone who feels bad for a nazi who got punched is a nazi sympathizer
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1NfamousACE_2
09/19/17 8:03:47 AM
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@The_Admiral
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Kineth
09/19/17 8:04:26 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.


The people in this group that overlap with the people who think that think shouting racial epithets at someone is not antagonizing and/or likely to cause someone to want to punch you are people who endorse terrorism, bullying and verbal abuse. The idea that people who don't have a problem with a Nazi or hatemongerer being punched also think it's ok in every other situation is also simply a false characterization.

So my point is that those people are generally full of shit and hiding behind whatever ulterior motive they have. Or they're just naive.
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09/19/17 8:08:34 AM
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Dragonblade01
09/19/17 8:10:51 AM
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Kineth posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.


The people in this group that overlap with the people who think that think shouting racial epithets at someone is not antagonizing and/or likely to cause someone to want to punch you are people who endorse terrorism, bullying and verbal abuse. The idea that people who don't have a problem with a Nazi or hatemongerer being punched also think it's ok in every other situation is also simply a false characterization.

So my point is that those people are generally full of shit and hiding behind whatever ulterior motive they have. Or they're just naive.

You're making a lot of assumptions from their stance simply because they also extend that same position to nazis just as they would to any other ideology. Saying that it's not okay to punch someone for their ideas is not the same as not expecting someone's ideas to make others angry. Saying it's not okay to punch people for their ideas is not the same as endorsing terrorism, bullying, and verbal abuse. And that stance says nothing about how other people view randomly punching people, so how others apply a "no punching rule" is neither here no there.

Likewise, saying you shouldn't punch people for holding ideas isn't the same as saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself.
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DifferentialEquation
09/19/17 8:12:24 AM
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One bystander, a white man, approached the neo-Nazi and yelled at him to "get the fuck out of our city." The neo-Nazi then called the man an "ape and threw a banana at him," Duff recalled. Within moments, another man ran from across the street and punched the neo-Nazi in the jaw, knocking him out.


In this case punching him was justified. He actually threw something at someone. Much different than someone just sitting on a bus.
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 8:17:02 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
One bystander, a white man, approached the neo-Nazi and yelled at him to "get the fuck out of our city." The neo-Nazi then called the man an "ape and threw a banana at him," Duff recalled. Within moments, another man ran from across the street and punched the neo-Nazi in the jaw, knocking him out.


In this case punching him was justified. He actually threw something at someone. Much different than someone just sitting on a bus.


Agreed, he threw something at someone and got violent first. So I am changing my stance from shouldn't have gotten punched to glad he got knocked the fuck out...

I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation, unless the other person is violent first, regardless of what he was saying or what he was wearing...
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Choco
09/19/17 8:27:54 AM
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That_Happened posted...
The neo-Nazi then called the man an "ape and threw a banana at him,"

what a strange thing to call someone.
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That_Happened
09/19/17 8:40:08 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation,

Then do not act like a Nazi, which is a person who has an inherently violent belief system. I can't walk into a room and angrily shout "I'll kill every fucker in this place" and then accuse *others* of being violent first.
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Villain
09/19/17 8:50:41 AM
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What a surprise the nazi instigated the whole thing
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Kineth
09/19/17 8:51:55 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Kineth posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.


The people in this group that overlap with the people who think that think shouting racial epithets at someone is not antagonizing and/or likely to cause someone to want to punch you are people who endorse terrorism, bullying and verbal abuse. The idea that people who don't have a problem with a Nazi or hatemongerer being punched also think it's ok in every other situation is also simply a false characterization.

So my point is that those people are generally full of shit and hiding behind whatever ulterior motive they have. Or they're just naive.

You're making a lot of assumptions from their stance simply because they also extend that same position to nazis just as they would to any other ideology. Saying that it's not okay to punch someone for their ideas is not the same as not expecting someone's ideas to make others angry. Saying it's not okay to punch people for their ideas is not the same as endorsing terrorism, bullying, and verbal abuse. And that stance says nothing about how other people view randomly punching people, so how others apply a "no punching rule" is neither here no there.

Likewise, saying you shouldn't punch people for holding ideas isn't the same as saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself.


I made sure that there was no mistake of which scenario and which people I was referring to so no, I was not making a lot of assumptions. If someone is not simply holding ideas, but instead is intending to degrade someone with their words in such a fashion, they are not simply speaking about how they feel, but are being antagonistic.

Believe me, I fucking understand the point you're making. It's simplisitic and I'm not an idiot. The point is that that is A) not what I'm talking about and B) not a fair description of the matter regardless.
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eston
09/19/17 8:53:22 AM
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I think this falls squarely under the "Don't start none, won't be none" statute
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Omega Hunter
09/19/17 8:54:03 AM
#29:


That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation,

Then do not act like a Nazi, which is a person who has an inherently violent belief system. I can't walk into a room and angrily shout "I'll kill every fucker in this place" and then accuse *others* of being violent first.


No, to the admiral and other sympathizers you are non violent until the gas chamber is up and running.
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thanosibe
09/19/17 9:04:19 AM
#30:


Omega Hunter posted...
That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation,

Then do not act like a Nazi, which is a person who has an inherently violent belief system. I can't walk into a room and angrily shout "I'll kill every fucker in this place" and then accuse *others* of being violent first.


No, to the admiral and other sympathizers you are non violent until the gas chamber is up and running.
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 9:29:44 AM
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Omega Hunter posted...
That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation,

Then do not act like a Nazi, which is a person who has an inherently violent belief system. I can't walk into a room and angrily shout "I'll kill every fucker in this place" and then accuse *others* of being violent first.


No, to the admiral and other sympathizers you are non violent until the gas chamber is up and running.

That's incorrect, you are non-violent until you commit a violent act. Words, beliefs, and armbands are not that. However a banana being thrown at someone is a violent act, so all bets are off.
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That_Happened
09/19/17 9:30:52 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Omega Hunter posted...
That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
I just think you shouldn't be the one to start a violent situation,

Then do not act like a Nazi, which is a person who has an inherently violent belief system. I can't walk into a room and angrily shout "I'll kill every fucker in this place" and then accuse *others* of being violent first.


No, to the admiral and other sympathizers you are non violent until the gas chamber is up and running.

That's incorrect, you are non-violent until you commit a violent act.

That's identical to what he was saying. That people who never leave the house and spend all day trolling think others are supposed to just sit there while someone threatens them and wait for them to take the first shot. Clearly in the real world that's not the way it works.
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 9:34:46 AM
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That_Happened posted...
That's identical to what he was saying. That people who never leave the house and spend all day trolling think others are supposed to just sit there while someone threatens them and wait for them to take the first shot. Clearly in the real world that's not the way it works.


Sure it is, for people that hold that ideology.
It has nothing to do with "That people who never leave the house and spend all day trolling think others"
That's simply sidestepping something and throwing out insults because you have nothing better to say...

It's easy to punch someone for holding a terrible viewpoint that might be inherently violent. It's a much better option to either record their behavior and let social media take care of them, or ignore them.

EDIT: I should clarify that if said person is holding a knife or a gun or something, by all means act first or run, your choice. But it's completely unnecessary if they are just being an asshole. And yes, someone wearing a nazi armband is both an asshole and a terrible person. I will get satisfaction if they are punched, but I don't think it's the right way to handle the situation...
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Mal_Fet
09/19/17 9:38:53 AM
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If he instigated violence, then fair/next

Still doesn't excuse the people who supported randomly punching him when the assumption was he did nothing wrong. Not only are they bad people in general, but they're also helping the Nazi movement.

Think about it: did Richard Spencer get more or less visible after he got suckerpunched? Was he less or more of a Nazi after getting punched? What tangible benefit was there to that other than a bit of catharsis?

Hope that catharsis outweighs the knowledge that you're likely making Nazi sentiment worse in this country, because if it doesn't, you must all feel like shit.
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That_Happened
09/19/17 9:39:58 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
It's easy to punch someone for holding a terrible viewpoint that might be inherently violent. It's a much better option to each record their behavior and let social media take care of them, or ignore them.

Yes, and Nazis should be aware that there are some people who will take the harder route of pulling out a phone, recording them, uploading it to social media, etc. and hoping it goes viral, and there are some people who will take the much easier route of "you go to sleep now." The Nazi in that video looked so surprised with his hand up saying "no, it's fine." That's the best part, he had NO IDEA that his behavior would get that reaction.
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 9:40:44 AM
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That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
It's easy to punch someone for holding a terrible viewpoint that might be inherently violent. It's a much better option to each record their behavior and let social media take care of them, or ignore them.

Yes, and Nazis should be aware that there are some people who will take the harder route of pulling out a phone, recording them, uploading it to social media, etc. and hoping it goes viral, and there are some people who will take the much easier route of "you go to sleep now." The Nazi in that video looked so surprised with his hand up saying "no, it's fine." That's the best part, he had NO IDEA that his behavior would get that reaction.

He deserved it though, he threw something and committed a violent act.
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That_Happened
09/19/17 9:41:47 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
EDIT: I should clarify that if said person is holding a knife or a gun or something, by all means act first or run, your choice. But it's completely unnecessary if they are just being an asshole.

Like the Nazis in Charlottesville? Good. We agree there. Anyone who took a swing at them was totally in the right.
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DanHarenChamp
09/19/17 9:42:06 AM
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averagejoel posted...
anyone who feels bad for a nazi who got punched is a nazi sympathizer


Seriously

Not to mention the throwing banana shit absolutely warrants getting knocked the fuck out. Anyone who thinks he didn't deserve it after what he did is just a fucking neckbeard that needs to step out into reality.
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Dragonblade01
09/19/17 9:42:25 AM
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Kineth posted...
I made sure that there was no mistake of which scenario and which people I was referring to so no, I was not making a lot of assumptions. If someone is not simply holding ideas, but instead is intending to degrade someone with their words in such a fashion, they are not simply speaking about how they feel, but are being antagonistic.

Believe me, I fucking understand the point you're making. It's simplisitic and I'm not an idiot. The point is that that is A) not what I'm talking about and B) not a fair description of the matter regardless.

It's important because if people are going to imply that anyone saying "don't punch nazis" is inherently a nazi sympathizer (which is what people here were implying), then I'm going to call out the strawman for what it is.
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The Great Muta 22
09/19/17 9:44:51 AM
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Look at Mal still trying to shit talk others despite admitting this guy was in the wrong. Totally a serious posted.

And calling for a peaceful ethno cleansing is violent dude, which is what Spencer clearly did prior to being socked.
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 9:45:01 AM
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That_Happened posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
EDIT: I should clarify that if said person is holding a knife or a gun or something, by all means act first or run, your choice. But it's completely unnecessary if they are just being an asshole.

Like the Nazis in Charlottesville? Good. We agree there. Anyone who took a swing at them was totally in the right.

Yes, that was too far. Carrying a gun and actively brandishing them while waving nazi flags etc.. Was far too much... That wasn't "just being an asshole" in my opinion...
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Dustin1280
09/19/17 9:47:28 AM
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averagejoel posted...
anyone who feels bad for a nazi who got punched is a nazi sympathizer

I don't think anyone "feels bad" for the nazi who go punched. IT was more of a that dude shouldn't have been punched for being an asshole who was minding his own business.

Now that it's clear he threw something, the punch was warranted.
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Mal_Fet
09/19/17 9:47:38 AM
#43:


DanHarenChamp posted...
averagejoel posted...
anyone who feels bad for a nazi who got punched is a nazi sympathizer


Seriously

Not to mention the throwing banana shit absolutely warrants getting knocked the fuck out. Anyone who thinks he didn't deserve it after what he did is just a fucking neckbeard that needs to step out into reality.

No one feels bad about a Nazi getting punched. You don't need to like someone to agree that unprovoked violence is wrong.

Stop trying to strawman people who support the law in order to make your side look less like shit.
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DanHarenChamp
09/19/17 9:54:56 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
DanHarenChamp posted...
averagejoel posted...
anyone who feels bad for a nazi who got punched is a nazi sympathizer


Seriously

Not to mention the throwing banana shit absolutely warrants getting knocked the fuck out. Anyone who thinks he didn't deserve it after what he did is just a fucking neckbeard that needs to step out into reality.

No one feels bad about a Nazi getting punched. You don't need to like someone to agree that unprovoked violence is wrong.

Stop trying to strawman people who support the law in order to make your side look less like shit.


Its not unprovoked, so you can go ahead and stop posting now.
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ReignFury
09/19/17 9:57:45 AM
#45:


Dragonblade01 posted...
Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.


Well he allegedly threw a banana
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Dragonblade01
09/19/17 10:00:03 AM
#46:


ReignFury posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Most people who don't agree with outright punching nazis are actually saying that they don't agree with punching people simply for their thoughts/ideas.


Well he allegedly threw a banana

Which is why nobody so far has said punching the nazi was wrong in this scenario. Not even Mal Fet.
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The Great Muta 22
09/19/17 10:06:19 AM
#47:


Trying to instigate a violent reaction from people is not legally protected. It's, at best, a messy situation that's been debated upon in the USSC with conflicting results. "Fighting words" are an actual thing, despite what people who want to troll in real life think
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darkphoenix181
09/19/17 10:10:05 AM
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That_Happened posted...
One bystander, a white man, approached the neo-Nazi and yelled at him to "get the f*** out of our city." The neo-Nazi then called the man an "ape and threw a banana at him,"


lol

wouldn't that white man be a fellow aryan by the nazi's philosophy?

then he calling his "masterrace" a bunch of apes?
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Kineth
09/19/17 10:10:40 AM
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Dragonblade01 posted...
Kineth posted...
I made sure that there was no mistake of which scenario and which people I was referring to so no, I was not making a lot of assumptions. If someone is not simply holding ideas, but instead is intending to degrade someone with their words in such a fashion, they are not simply speaking about how they feel, but are being antagonistic.

Believe me, I fucking understand the point you're making. It's simplisitic and I'm not an idiot. The point is that that is A) not what I'm talking about and B) not a fair description of the matter regardless.

It's important because if people are going to imply that anyone saying "don't punch nazis" is inherently a nazi sympathizer (which is what people here were implying), then I'm going to call out the strawman for what it is.


No, it's not important with respect to this conversation. You didn't have to respond to what I said if you weren't going to address or acknowledge it. You provided what you thought was a counterargument and instead of saying something akin to "I can see that" or "you're right" or "my bad, I meant this..", you just want to talk about what you want to talk about.

Also, what you said was a given. An already understood point. Rehashing something is not important.
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