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let's say that the dragonball world exists in the same universe as DC earth. both rockets with babies in them are going through space and they get hit off course by meteors. Superman goes to DBZ land and Goku lands on DC earth in Smallville, Kansas. what would their lives be like? I assume dragon ball sun is still yellow

Infant Kal is now raised by a martial artist from near birth. He never kills Gohan because he'd never Great Apes. He clowns every antagonist from Dragon Ball because Kryptonian bases are on a different level than Saiyan bases. If for whatever reason Raditz and later Vegeta and Nappa show up, he handily beats them too. They would never need to go to Namek because the they'd never get an opportunity to kill him. In fact there really wouldn't be a difficult fight until Cell since he'd presumably get Kal's DNA now (assuming Gero could get a sample from a man who might not have actually bled yet). Even then Cell probably can't become perfect since Kal would have taken care of 17 and 18. So he still wouldn't be much a threat. Babidi would be the next threat but without Vegeta to possess he is likely never generating enough energy to awaken Buu.

Goku would be raised as a normal, but strong farmboy by the Kents until they are inevitably killed when he Great Apes. He'd get moved into child services and keep getting people killed until one of the older heroes (like the JSA or Zatara) finally shows up during a Great Ape event and stops the situation. They'd take Goku into custody and figure out his deal. From that point he'd probably be raised in the care of some heroes. He'd become a decent hero in his own right, but unless he ended up training extensively with martial artists and regularly got challenged, he'd never become as strong as he does in DBZ. Earth without Superman would run into a lot of issues though and would become way more reliant on Wonder Woman, the GLs, and Martian Manhunter.
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goku never hits his head as a baby and without amnesia procedes with his mission on dc earth
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Superman dies after facing King Piccolo, Piccolo becomes supreme ruler of earth, forces kami to fuse with him and becomes the strongest being in the universe.

Batman tries to recruit Goku for the Justice League but Goku is a lone wolf and the other members resent Goku cause he saves the day by himself and they plot to kill him. He is devastated and refuses to kill them so he becomes a galactic hero, saving planet after planet.
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mortimerjames posted...

Superman dies after facing King Piccolo

lol no
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Kyurem-BW posted...

goku never hits his head as a baby and without amnesia procedes with his mission on dc earth

He tries and is immediately killed by Dr. Fate.
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Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.

He never learns IT because the people who taught it to him don't exist.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.

He never learns IT because the people who taught it to him don't exist.

Then he waits a long, long ass time until he gets SSG and SSB. Then he kills supes.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.

He never learns IT because the people who taught it to him don't exist.

Then he waits a long, long ass time until he gets SSG and SSB. Then he kills supes.

no other sayans so no ssg ritual and when lord beerus reaches db earth and no ssg goku he foresaw he procedes to destroy it
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_Goggalor_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.

He never learns IT because the people who taught it to him don't exist.

Then he waits a long, long ass time until he gets SSG and SSB. Then he kills supes.

1. Supes doesn't exist.
2. He's not even going to get SSJ1 by just waiting around.
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Superman would deal with all the threats of the DBZverse pretty easily, until Babbidi showed up. Babbidi would wreck his shit.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Superman would deal with all the threats of the DBZverse pretty easily, until Babbidi showed up. Babbidi would wreck his shit.

So would Buu. ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Goku hides and survives until he learns IT. Then he proceeds to kill anyone that gets in his way, including superman.

He never learns IT because the people who taught it to him don't exist.

Then he waits a long, long ass time until he gets SSG and SSB. Then he kills supes.

1. Supes doesn't exist.
2. He's not even going to get SSJ1 by just waiting around.

Well then wtf is the point of this topic? You're nerfing Goku for no reason.
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_Goggalor_ posted...

Well then wtf is the point of this topic?

It's clearly lost on you, but it's about what happens if kid Goku arrives on DCU earth and Baby Clark Kent arrives in DB Earth.
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I don't think the TC is asking what would happen if they would ever fight, just what would their respective stories be if they had switched places and landed on each other's Earths as a baby.

The reason for Goku's nerfing is because he really does need Roshi's martial arts training and to be challenged often to grow strong and someone already said Goku probably would have never gotten dropped on the head, so he would have tried to take over.

Goku in DC universe would have been a villain and probably would never reach super sayain, but he'd be a high level threat anyway because unless you kill him, he's just going to get stronger, break out of whatever you hold him in and proceed to mollywhop and try to conquer the world until other strong heroes stop him.

Kind of like Doomsday I guess >_>
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long story short this is how it ends for both

baby goku dies cause he attacks a metahuman filled world
last thing superman hears is buu make you candy
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ChromaticAngel posted...

_Goggalor_ posted...

Well then wtf is the point of this topic?

It's clearly lost on you, but it's about what happens if kid Goku arrives on DCU earth and Baby Clark Kent arrives in DB Earth.

Oh. Well then Goku doesn't hit his head and gets his shit wrecked the first time he tries to screw with anyone. Wouldn't even take a very powerful DC hero either.

Superman pretty much just becomes another Z fighter most likely.
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Kyurem-BW posted...

last thing superman hears is buu make you candy

Nah, I think Gheb (2nd post) was right, Without Vegeta and Gohan how would he get enough power to resurrect Majin Buu? Also, I guess Piccolo would continue to be an on-going "problem."

Wait, assuming Bulma can't find the Dragon Balls without Goku, does Pilaf get them?
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DragonPick posted...

Kyurem-BW posted...

last thing superman hears is buu make you candy

Nah, I think Gheb (2nd post) was right, Without Vegeta and Gohan how would he get enough power to resurrect Majin Buu? Also, I guess Piccolo would continue to be an on-going "problem."

Wait, assuming Bulma can't find the Dragon Balls without Goku, does Pilaf get them?

Majin Buu would take a lot more time, but he'd still be released. Babbidi would beat Superman on his own though.
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DragonPick posted...

I don't think the TC is asking what would happen if they would ever fight, just what would their respective stories be if they had switched places and landed on each other's Earths as a baby.

The reason for Goku's nerfing is because he really does need Roshi's martial arts training and to be challenged often to grow strong and someone already said Goku probably would have never gotten dropped on the head, so he would have tried to take over.

Goku in DC universe would have been a villain and probably would never reach super sayain, but he'd be a high level threat anyway because unless you kill him, he's just going to get stronger, break out of whatever you hold him in and proceed to mollywhop and try to conquer the world until other strong heroes stop him.

Kind of like Doomsday I guess >_>

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Babbidi would beat Superman on his own though.

He couldn't even beat Piccolo. Superman is stronger than Piccolo. His magic is good, but Superman has handled worse.
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mortimerjames posted...

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what

The legend is just a myth because so few saiyans normally achieved that level. Any Super Saiyan would be considered "legendary" back on planet Vegeta. The whole point of the legend was that it was a rare thing but goten and trunks kinda debunked that.
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mortimerjames posted...

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what

I mentioned that. Well, I did also imply he wouldn't get stronger a sentence or so before, so yeah my bad there. But yes, he's going to do something evil, someone's going to kick his ass and put him in jail. He'll bust out.

Cycle continues and he gets stronger each time. Actually, with all the retcons to super sayain form, I guess he would get that sooner or later too. Didn't think of that.
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fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.
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Gheb posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.

Oh.

I just thought of something.

If Cell incorporates Kryptonian DNA, he would be much much much much stronger than he is during DBZ.
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DragonPick posted...

mortimerjames posted...

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what

I mentioned that. Well, I did also imply he wouldn't get stronger a sentence or so before, so yeah my bad there. But yes, he's going to do something evil, someone's going to kick his ass and put him in jail. He'll bust out.

Cycle continues and he gets stronger each time. Actually, with all the retcons to super sayain form, I guess he would get that sooner or later too. Didn't think of that.

Depends on which hero handled him and when. Characters like Wonder Woman would have no issue killing a monster like the Great Ape. Same with people like Doctor Fate. GLs would throw him into a science cell on Oa that'd be real tough to break out of at his early power levels.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Gheb posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.

Oh.

I just thought of something.

If Cell incorporates Kryptonian DNA, he would be much much much much stronger than he is during DBZ.

This is true. Now without reaching perfect form, which he wouldn't as Kal takes down 17 an 18, He's still not beating Kal. Also worth noting. It also goes with the assumption that Gero can reliably get Kal's DNA to use. There is honestly no threat that Kal would face before that point that would get him to bleed. Maybe he could swipe a cup for some spit or a toilet for some piss.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

mortimerjames posted...

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what

The legend is just a myth because so few saiyans normally achieved that level. Any Super Saiyan would be considered "legendary" back on planet Vegeta. The whole point of the legend was that it was a rare thing but goten and trunks kinda debunked that.

i have no idea what you're talking about

goten and trunks? never heard of them
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I thought superman was basically normal as a kid, whereas goku was super strong
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Gheb posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.

but cell was made to kill goku. no goku, no cell so no cell saga, no freiza saga cause superman would easily kill raditz without sacricing Piccolo so no need to find the namekians. super man would also easily kill the 2 that come to avenge raditz. next is the buu saga and yes buu would take alot longer to awaken without goku or gohan(and countless humans dead)(after all when babadi started he believed there was noone of the saiyans power and still expected to awaken buu)

and how would superman beat buu when buu has to be completely incinerated.

and if he somehow beats buu then when lord beerus comes to fight a ssg he will be disappointed cause there is none and blow up db earth
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Hell, even if they dont kill him, someone just needs to grab his tail for a while. With so many speedsters and ranged manipulators, poor Goku has little to no hope. And thats if no one kills him the first night he goes oozaru.

How unfair.
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Balrog0 posted...

I thought superman was basically normal as a kid, whereas goku was super strong

Kind of the other way around. Both were strong, but goku was a little shit and gohan could overpower him well enough until he hit his head.

Kyurem-BW posted...

Gheb posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.

but cell was made to kill goku. no goku, no cell so no cell saga, no freiza saga cause superman would easily kill raditz without sacricing Piccolo so no need to find the namekians. super man would also easily kill the 2 that come to avenge raditz. next is the buu saga and yes buu would take alot longer to awaken without goku or gohan(and countless humans dead)(after all when babadi started he believed there was noone of the saiyans power and still expected to awaken buu)

and how would superman beat buu when buu has to be completely incinerated.

and if he somehow beats buu then when lord beerus comes to fight a ssg he will be disappointed cause there is none and blow up db earth

Cell was made to kill goku because goku fucked up the red ribbon. I guess we're assuming Kal would do the same, but i am not sure what would put him in opposition to the red ribbon unless he chose to leave grandpa gohan and go find the dragon balls with bulma as a kid.

I guess superman could beat buu by dropping him off at the sun? Buu is durable as shit, i wanna say the sun is more powerful that the earth spirit bomb, but lol i wont go there.

As for beerus? Lol again i dont know, he's kind of wonky
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Kyurem-BW posted...

and how would superman beat buu when buu has to be completely incinerated.

Heat vision is kind of Superman's most destructive power. At max strength it can be sun hot.

and if he somehow beats buu then when lord beerus comes to fight a ssg he will be disappointed cause there is none and blow up db earth

Why would Beerus go to Earth to fight a SSG?
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imagine Goku fighting the joker and joker is like

"let me release this gas and I will power up, I will give you a fight you will never forget!"

Goku then lets Joker release the gas killing millions of people


Goku in DC universe is a disaster because Goku is an idiot

he literally wagers the safety of the multiverse for a thrill

luckily, the DBZ universe isn't as dark as DC one
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also Lex would trick Goku into being his slave


superman has to fight powerful minds, not just strong people

that is where Goku would fail
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Gheb posted...

DragonPick posted...

mortimerjames posted...

you forget that Goku is the true legendary super saiyan, so he would always get stronger no matter what

I mentioned that. Well, I did also imply he wouldn't get stronger a sentence or so before, so yeah my bad there. But yes, he's going to do something evil, someone's going to kick his ass and put him in jail. He'll bust out.

Cycle continues and he gets stronger each time. Actually, with all the retcons to super sayain form, I guess he would get that sooner or later too. Didn't think of that.

Depends on which hero handled him and when. Characters like Wonder Woman would have no issue killing a monster like the Great Ape. Same with people like Doctor Fate. GLs would throw him into a science cell on Oa that'd be real tough to break out of at his early power levels.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Gheb posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The same because they're actually the same person. One is just Japanese Superman, and the other is American Superman.

Kryptonian bases are so much higher than Saiyan bases that Kal would effortlessly move through all their threats until the Cell saga. Especially if this is a Kal who has been trained to be a martial artists since infancy.

Oh.

I just thought of something.

If Cell incorporates Kryptonian DNA, he would be much much much much stronger than he is during DBZ.

This is true. Now without reaching perfect form, which he wouldn't as Kal takes down 17 an 18, He's still not beating Kal. Also worth noting. It also goes with the assumption that Gero can reliably get Kal's DNA to use. There is honestly no threat that Kal would face before that point that would get him to bleed. Maybe he could swipe a cup for some spit or a toilet for some piss.

Yep. Dr. Gero is basically pretty close to Lex Luthor however and he'd find a way to get something I'm sure of it. Cell likely takes on a form more similar to Doomsday in this scenario and would probably be the most major opponent Superman would fight in the original DBZ arc. Superman probably dies after killing Cell and gets wished back shortly after. He remains generally top dog until DBS arc where Zamasu attacks Superman using the body of another Superman.
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