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Veggeta X
09/11/17 1:52:54 PM
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That could fight Goku in not just in terms of power but in technique as well. This implies Superman could probably fight on par with Batman if Superman didn't have his super strength right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyl97TG8jbA

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creativerealms
09/11/17 1:56:25 PM
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Superman does know martial arts but generally does not use them when he has super powers. Him being a superior martial artist then Goku? No Goku has the ability to master martial art techniques by watching others use them, plus he's constantly training and getting better.
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soulunison2
09/11/17 2:08:02 PM
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Death battle is trash bro they're bias as fuck
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boxington
09/11/17 2:08:57 PM
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doesn't he know special Kryptonian martial arts?
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Wedge Antilles
09/11/17 2:09:46 PM
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He's been trained by Batman and I'd say Batman could go toe to toe with Goku.
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cuttin_in_farm
09/11/17 2:10:44 PM
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Goku literally just brawls.
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DarkwingDucky
09/11/17 2:16:11 PM
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Death battle sucks. They take Supermans power from all incarnations instead of what it is at present.
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 2:17:48 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Goku literally just brawls.

Now you and I know that's not true.
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PokemonYoutube
09/11/17 2:29:32 PM
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You don't need technique when you're infinitely more powerful than your opponent.
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Link HT
09/11/17 2:32:16 PM
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Wedge Antilles posted...
He's been trained by Batman and I'd say Batman could go toe to toe with Goku.

Batman martial arts are just real world martial arts. Martial arts in dragonball make people insanely powerful, they're not really the same. Goku literally learned martial arts from an immortal man, Gods, and creatures from all around the universe.
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DifferentialEquation
09/11/17 2:38:20 PM
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The internet in general is biased against Goku. Death Battle is no exception.
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 2:39:12 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
The internet in general is biased against Goku. Death Battle is no exception.

Can't let this weaboo crap be the strongest cartoon character in the world m I rite
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cjsdowg
09/11/17 2:40:01 PM
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Link HT posted...
Batman martial arts are just real world martial arts. Martial arts in dragonball make people insanely powerful, they're not really the same. Goku literally learned martial arts from an immortal man, Gods, and creatures from all around the universe.


So did Batman..
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Knowledge_King
09/11/17 4:21:15 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
This implies Superman could probably fight on par with Batman if Superman didn't have his super strength right?


Well...no. Batman's a far better martial artist than Goku. It's not even close.
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 4:24:41 PM
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Knowledge_King posted...
Well...no. Batman's a far better martial artist than Goku. It's not even close.

LMAO what?
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Terra-enforcer
09/11/17 4:29:43 PM
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@cjsdowg posted...
Link HT posted...
Batman martial arts are just real world martial arts. Martial arts in dragonball make people insanely powerful, they're not really the same. Goku literally learned martial arts from an immortal man, Gods, and creatures from all around the universe.


So did Batman..

Gonna need sources on this. Never in any of the comics I've read or any sources I've seen have I heard Batman being trained by multiple immortal people, animals and creatures from different planets, and multiple Gods. Also you do know what training means, right? A fight to the death is NOT "training" lol
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 4:30:21 PM
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I love when Batman casuals come out of the woodwork.
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DifferentialEquation
09/11/17 4:31:48 PM
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Knowledge_King posted...
Veggeta X posted...
This implies Superman could probably fight on par with Batman if Superman didn't have his super strength right?


Well...no. Batman's a far better martial artist than Goku. It's not even close.


I don't think he's a better martial artist, but he could still defeat Goku with his gadgets and superior tactics.
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Kim Kusanagi
09/11/17 4:33:59 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The internet in general is biased against Goku. Death Battle is no exception.

Can't let this weaboo crap be the strongest cartoon character in the world m I rite


Any gold saint would wipe the floor with any DBZ character
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Zikten
09/11/17 4:35:41 PM
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I would love to see an Elseworlds story where Batman solos the entire Z world. every hero, every villain. all taken down by Batmans superior tactics
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VandorLee
09/11/17 4:36:08 PM
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The amount of martial arts Batman knows is literally impossible for a human to learn in their lifetime so batman doesnt even make sense if hes supposed to be human.
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Mal_Fet
09/11/17 4:37:42 PM
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I really want to know what people mean when they say Goku is a great martial artist

As a kid, Roshi's only advice to Goku on MA was "lol any idiot can throw a punch, just get really strong and you'll win"
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/17 4:38:33 PM
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Martial arts stopped being a factor the moment Goku learned SSJ. In fact, even special moves stopped mattering well before that.
Special beam cannon, destructo disk, etc etc actually being threats to the villains kinda gave hope. Now it's "oh what plateau will they hit to rofl stomp the villain."
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 4:40:18 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Martial arts stopped being a factor the moment Goku learned SSJ. In fact, even special moves stopped mattering well before that.
Special beam cannon, destructo disk, etc etc actually being threats to the villains kinda gave hope. Now it's "oh what plateau will they hit to rofl stomp the villain."

Disagreed. You still gotta be smart and know how to fight in DB.
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gmanthebest
09/11/17 4:45:23 PM
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Literally doesn't even matter if Superman knows martial arts or not, Goku is instadead
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Anarchy_Juiblex
09/11/17 4:52:10 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Disagreed. You still gotta be smart and know how to fight in DB.


Buu disagrees, you candy now!
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YuriSakazaki0
09/11/17 4:55:46 PM
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death battle in general is ass
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orcus_snake
09/11/17 4:56:18 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Veggeta X posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The internet in general is biased against Goku. Death Battle is no exception.

Can't let this weaboo crap be the strongest cartoon character in the world m I rite


Any gold saint would wipe the floor with any DBZ character


not death mask lul.
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 4:59:15 PM
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Superman would destroy Goku, it's not even a question.

also lol at "Martial arts", after Raditz showed up and started up "power levels" it made anything DB shit
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 5:20:33 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
I really want to know what people mean when they say Goku is a great martial artist

As a kid, Roshi's only advice to Goku on MA was "lol any idiot can throw a punch, just get really strong and you'll win"

He's been analyzed by other martial artists in canon and even they've concluded that he knows his shit. Says a lot about ATs ability as a writer but if he's getting validation in universe about his skill then that's sufficient enough.
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K181
09/11/17 5:22:51 PM
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I'm not going to claim to be a comic book specialist, but isn't Superman repeatedly portrayed mostly as just a really strong and fast dude but with no real technique?
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 5:24:45 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
He's been analyzed by other martial artists in canon and even they've concluded that he knows his s***. Says a lot about ATs ability as a writer but if he's getting validation in universe about his skill then that's sufficient enough.


They analyzed his power levels you mean?
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Veggeta X
09/11/17 5:32:56 PM
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K181 posted...
I'm not going to claim to be a comic book specialist, but isn't Superman repeatedly portrayed mostly as just a really strong and fast dude but with no real technique?
Did any of you guys actually watched the video I posted? HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 5:36:18 PM
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CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
He's been analyzed by other martial artists in canon and even they've concluded that he knows his s***. Says a lot about ATs ability as a writer but if he's getting validation in universe about his skill then that's sufficient enough.


They analyzed his power levels you mean?

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.

And then there's the whole Dragon Ball started as a story where Goku uses superior martial arts to defeat the world's best martial artists, thing.
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 5:38:54 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.


right and that went out the window when they introduced power levels
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voldothegr8
09/11/17 5:43:38 PM
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CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.


right and that went out the window when they introduced power levels

Enemies have always and still to this day bring up the fact that his stance is flawless. I agree that it really doesn't matter just wanted to point that out.
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 5:48:57 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...

Enemies have always and still to this day bring up the fact that his stance is flawless. I agree that it really doesn't matter just wanted to point that out.


when did this happen lol
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Garioshi
09/11/17 5:51:53 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
Veggeta X posted...
This implies Superman could probably fight on par with Batman if Superman didn't have his super strength right?


Well...no. Batman's a far better martial artist than Goku. It's not even close.


I don't think he's a better martial artist, but he could still defeat Goku with his gadgets and superior tactics.

Batman literally could not scratch Goku
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K181
09/11/17 5:52:19 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
K181 posted...
I'm not going to claim to be a comic book specialist, but isn't Superman repeatedly portrayed mostly as just a really strong and fast dude but with no real technique?
Did any of you guys actually watched the video I posted? HOLY FUCKING SHIT


The video that essentially ends with the argument that Superman would win because his potential is limitless so therefore Goku would lose? No, I've seen it before, and even then the actual portrayal of him is anything but that of a martial artist at least from the mainstream depictions of him, not to mention inconsistent as he's shown to not be able to go toe to toe without his powers in various mediums against skilled fighters, so it's just general inconsistency as usual for supes.
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3khc
09/11/17 5:55:27 PM
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Goku should have won the rematch because that is what Goku does. He surpasses his opponents.
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 5:59:03 PM
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CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.


right and that went out the window when they introduced power levels

No it didn't cause he still uses martial arts. Do you not notice how he's standing and holding his hands right before he throws a punch or blocks a beam?
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Foppe
09/11/17 6:06:14 PM
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These matches almost always turns the characters OOC.
Could Goku grab Superman and teleport him to a red sun where he is powerless and then beat the crap out of him? Sure, but he wouldnt because the fight itself is more important to Goku.
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Funkydog
09/11/17 6:09:09 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.


right and that went out the window when they introduced power levels

Enemies have always and still to this day bring up the fact that his stance is flawless. I agree that it really doesn't matter just wanted to point that out.

I thought what was always brought up that he lets his guard down and gets fucked over for it >.>
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 6:09:43 PM
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Funkydog posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...

His technique. I recall a scene where Goku is standing there, with his arms out like a goon, and some martial artist concluded that he had a perfect stance with 0 openings.


right and that went out the window when they introduced power levels

Enemies have always and still to this day bring up the fact that his stance is flawless. I agree that it really doesn't matter just wanted to point that out.

I thought what was always brought up that he lets his guard down and gets fucked over for it >.>

That's at the end of the fights.
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 6:10:57 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
No it didn't cause he still uses martial arts. Do you not notice how he's standing and holding his hands right before he throws a punch or blocks a beam?


that's a bunch of bullshit because on the example you're using where "wow guys he has a perfect stance!" Goku is standing straight and then never does it again
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Funkydog
09/11/17 6:11:40 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That's at the end of the fights.

So all the times it let his enemies he was just fighting beat him?
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 6:13:16 PM
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CEs_EFG posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
No it didn't cause he still uses martial arts. Do you not notice how he's standing and holding his hands right before he throws a punch or blocks a beam?


that's a bunch of bullshit because on the example you're using where "wow guys he has a perfect stance!" Goku is standing straight and then never does it again

That's one particular stance in one particular instance. He uses martial arts in every single fight, despite flying and shooting beams. He doesn't just simply flail his arms like a goober just cause he learned how to control chi.
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A_Good_Boy
09/11/17 6:13:43 PM
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Funkydog posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
That's at the end of the fights.

So all the times it let his enemies he was just fighting beat him?

He doesn't just let them, that's why his guard is down silly.
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CEs_EFG
09/11/17 6:15:13 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
That's one particular stance in one particular instance. He uses martial arts in every single fight, despite flying and shooting beams. He doesn't just simply flail his arms like a goober just cause he learned how to control chi.


and I'm saying "Martial arts" as you're thinking is no longer important because after Raditz power levels took over. Recoome for example didn't use any technique beside throwing Vegeta around
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Kaname_Madoka
09/11/17 6:15:55 PM
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Vegeta is the one who doesn't do martial arts, not Goku
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