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Antifar 09/08/17 12:09:43 PM #1:	http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/here-is-the-holocaust-museum-syria-report.html As Daily Intelligencer noted yesterday, the U.S. Holocaust Museum is at the center of a burgeoning controversy over its decision to conduct a study, through its Simon-Skjodt Center for the Prevention of Genocide, about whether the United States could have taken a more active role in the Syrian civil war for the sake of protecting civilians, hundreds of thousands of whom have died in the conflict — many as a result of the shelling, torture, gas attacks, and other atrocities committed by Bashar Al-Assad. After the study concluded that there is little the U.S. could have done to improve matters, and that heightened involvement may have worsened conditions on the ground, there was an angry outcry from some who accused the museum of — as Leon Wieseltier (one of the louder critics) put it — embracing “bystanderism.” It’s important to point out that the vast majority of these complaints were not substantive critiques of the study, but rather discomfort with its conclusion, which ran contrary to the desires of many who have long called for heightened U.S. involvement in Syria. In the wake of these critiques, the museum effectively unpublished the study, which it had planned to officially unveil at a September 11th event at Washington, D.C.’s U.S. Institute for Peace. “Last week the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Simon-Skjodt Center for the Prevention of Genocide released a research study that examined several decision points during the Syrian conflict,” notes the webpage where the study used to live. “Since its release, a number of people with whom we have worked closely on Syria since the conflict’s outbreak have expressed concerns with the study. The Museum has decided to remove the study from its website as we evaluate this feedback.” --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886246994] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/here-is-the-holocaust-museum-syria-report.html <quote>As Daily Intelligencer noted yesterday, the U.S. Holocaust Museum is at the center of a burgeoning controversy over its decision to conduct a study, through its Simon-Skjodt Center for the Prevention of Genocide, about whether the United States could have taken a more active role in the Syrian civil war for the sake of protecting civilians, hundreds of thousands of whom have died in the conflict — many as a result of the shelling, torture, gas attacks, and other atrocities committed by Bashar Al-Assad. After the study concluded that there is little the U.S. could have done to improve matters, and that heightened involvement may have worsened conditions on the ground, there was an angry outcry from some who accused the museum of — as Leon Wieseltier (one of the louder critics) put it — embracing “bystanderism.” It’s important to point out that the vast majority of these complaints were not substantive critiques of the study, but rather discomfort with its conclusion, which ran contrary to the desires of many who have long called for heightened U.S. involvement in Syria. In the wake of these critiques, the museum effectively unpublished the study, which it had planned to officially unveil at a September 11th event at Washington, D.C.’s U.S. Institute for Peace. “Last week the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum’s Simon-Skjodt Center for the Prevention of Genocide released a research study that examined several decision points during the Syrian conflict,” notes the webpage where the study used to live. “Since its release, a number of people with whom we have worked closely on Syria since the conflict’s outbreak have expressed concerns with the study. The Museum has decided to remove the study from its website as we evaluate this feedback.”</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsYourFault 09/08/17 12:13:49 PM #2:	Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police <cite>ItsYourFault posted [p:886247168] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaVeNII7 09/08/17 12:13:56 PM #3:	Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? --- PSN/Steam: HaVeNII7 <cite>HaVeNII7 posted [p:886247172] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Donald 09/08/17 12:15:37 PM #4:	HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals --- "Show me someone without an ego, and I'll show you a loser." <cite>The_Donald posted [p:886247249] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 09/08/17 12:17:53 PM #5:	HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? studies can be offensive, racist and bigoted you know --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886247353] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> studies can be offensive, racist and bigoted you know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 09/08/17 12:21:26 PM #6:	HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? And for propaganda purposes. It's been going on for years. News stories included. Most people are pretty clueless about actual reality. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:886247513] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> And for propaganda purposes. It's been going on for years. News stories included. Most people are pretty clueless about actual reality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blo 09/08/17 12:22:38 PM #7:	Capn Circus posted... Most people are pretty clueless about actual reality. Not you, though. You are brave enough to see past the media's haze. --- insert sig here <cite>Blo posted [p:886247582] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>Most people are pretty clueless about actual reality. </quote> Not you, though. You are brave enough to see past the media's haze.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/08/17 12:24:16 PM #8:	why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:886247657] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/08/17 12:32:26 PM #9:	it is truly shocking that US involvement in a foreign country might have made things worse --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:886247974] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>it is truly shocking that US involvement in a foreign country might have made things worse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GoldenSun3DS 09/08/17 12:33:55 PM #10:	Excuse me, but how the hell do you even conduct a study on what could have been done? Time travel? --- GPD Win PC handheld: Intel Atom X7 Z8700 @2.4GHz, 4GB DDR3 RAM, 64GB storage, 6700mAh battery, 1280x720 resolution "Why? Because of... DESTINY? PAH ha ha <cite>GoldenSun3DS posted [p:886248038] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>Excuse me, but how the hell do you even conduct a study on what could have been done? Time travel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 09/08/17 4:36:37 PM #11:	Disgusting --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:886260113] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>Disgusting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/08/17 4:39:36 PM #12:	averagejoel posted... it is truly shocking that US involvement in a foreign country might have made things worse --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886260262] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>it is truly shocking that US involvement in a foreign country might have made things worse</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/08/17 4:46:59 PM #13:	kinda like that paper that comparing transgender people to transracial people only over a much more meaningful topic --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886260664] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>kinda like that paper that comparing transgender people to transracial people only over a much more meaningful topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/08/17 4:51:49 PM #14:	I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though. I find people are too liberal with the word study and publish, too. Unless it was going into a peer reviewed journal, these words are misleading. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886260921] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though. I find people are too liberal with the word study and publish, too. Unless it was going into a peer reviewed journal, these words are misleading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/08/17 4:53:19 PM #15:	COVxy posted... I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though. they link to the pdfs at the bottom I only looked at the summary, doesn't seem very objective; it's mostly based on interviews or theoretic models --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:886261007] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though.</quote> they link to the pdfs at the bottom I only looked at the summary, doesn't seem very objective; it's mostly based on interviews or theoretic models</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/08/17 4:55:26 PM #16:	mario2000 posted... why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with Liberals were the Syrian warmongers. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886261124] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with</quote> Liberals were the Syrian warmongers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 09/08/17 4:56:53 PM #17:	Balrog0 posted... COVxy posted... I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though. they link to the pdfs at the bottom I only looked at the summary, doesn't seem very objective; it's mostly based on interviews or theoretic models Yeah, this just seems like click bait to me. Nobody is suppressing real studies, an organization retracted an opinion piece, more or less. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886261207] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>I'm having trouble imagining how such a study could possibly be empirical, though.</quote> they link to the pdfs at the bottom I only looked at the summary, doesn't seem very objective; it's mostly based on interviews or theoretic models</quote> Yeah, this just seems like click bait to me. Nobody is suppressing real studies, an organization retracted an opinion piece, more or less.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 09/08/17 4:57:47 PM #18:	mario2000 posted... why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with Wasn't it Obama's decision to go to Syria? Why would conservatives be against releasing a study that made him look bad? --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:886261264] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>why do conservatives feel the need to censor everything they disagree with</quote> Wasn't it Obama's decision to go to Syria? Why would conservatives be against releasing a study that made him look bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 09/08/17 5:02:55 PM #20:	shockthemonkey posted... Yep, real curious as to how this was done, although it still seems silly to do the study then try to ignore the results. I mean, they can submit it to a peer reviewed journal if they'd like. The issue is probably that it doesn't meet the standards of peer review. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:886261554] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Yep, real curious as to how this was done, although it still seems silly to do the study then try to ignore the results. </quote> I mean, they can submit it to a peer reviewed journal if they'd like. The issue is probably that it doesn't meet the standards of peer review.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/08/17 5:04:07 PM #21:	ItsYourFault posted... Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police There is a movie that proves this false and it does so literally in its very title... --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:886261610] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsYourFault posted...</cite> <quote>Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police</quote> There is a movie that proves this false and it does so literally in its very title...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/08/17 5:04:14 PM #22:	ItsYourFault posted... Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police Why do we act like we are then? --- http://i.imgur.com/fQ2zSjD.gif https://i.imgur.com/rUkYNB9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wDVZCkd.gif https://i.imgur.com/VX0lMwY.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:886261618] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>ItsYourFault posted...</cite> <quote>Its easy to altruistic when you perceive yourself or your group as the victim with little context to those outside your perview who you expect to help. We Are Not The Worlds Police</quote> Why do we act like we are then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 09/08/17 5:04:39 PM #23:	Antifar posted... which it had planned to officially unveil at a September 11th event That... seems really dumb. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:886261632] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>which it had planned to officially unveil at a September 11th event </quote> That... seems really dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 09/08/17 9:00:34 PM #24:	@The_Donald posted... HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police. --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:886273571] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>@The_Donald posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals</quote> Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 09/08/17 9:59:51 PM #26:	Lonestar2000 posted... @The_Donald posted... HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police. You mean, the ones frothing at the mouth to go into Syria? The ones calling everyone who suggested NOT going into Syria "Islamaphobic?" No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886276080] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@The_Donald posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals</quote> Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police.</quote> You mean, the ones frothing at the mouth to go into Syria? The ones calling everyone who suggested NOT going into Syria "Islamaphobic?" No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 09/08/17 10:31:17 PM #27:	darkjedilink posted... Lonestar2000 posted... @The_Donald posted... HaVeNII7 posted... Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on? This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police. You mean, the ones frothing at the mouth to go into Syria? The ones calling everyone who suggested NOT going into Syria "Islamaphobic?" No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to. ??????????????? --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:886277433] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lonestar2000 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@The_Donald posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>Censoring literal studies so as to not piss others off. What the literal fuck is going on?</quote> This single word is actually relevant as an answer and not being used as a meme. Liberals</quote> Yeah, blame liberals, the people who are largely anti-war/playing world police.</quote> You mean, the ones frothing at the mouth to go into Syria? The ones calling everyone who suggested NOT going into Syria "Islamaphobic?" No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to.</quote> ???????????????</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 09/09/17 12:03:27 AM #28:	darkjedilink posted... No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to. What the hell are you babbling about? That's not true at all. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:886281050] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>No, liberals DEMANDED we fight Assad to protect Muslims, even AFTER it turned out that the gas attacks were actually ISIS - the group we'd be fighting WITH, and actually sold weapons to.</quote> What the hell are you babbling about? That's not true at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/09/17 12:08:28 AM #29:	Yeah, I must have missed the "not fighting Assad would be Islamophobic" takes. Or they didn't happen, I don't know. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:886281203] in Study &quo... [t:75754179]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I must have missed the "not fighting Assad would be Islamophobic" takes. Or they didn't happen, I don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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