Poll of the Day > Imagine thinking Trump is a good President.

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I literally can't. He's awful in every way.
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Close your eyes and cover your eyes and just think of the wall.

Roughly 1/3 of the nation supports him.

Roughly 1/3 of the nation lives in a completely alternate reality from the real one.

A person who can look at that shit stain and see anything positive is so far removed from my ability to understand it can't even be seen as existing in the real world.

Imagine a CE user coming over here and trying to start a circlejerk.

Imagine falling for it.
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I do not like Trump. I disagree with a lot of his policy. However, I don't know how you couldn't also think Obama was a terrible president, because he was. (And yes, so is Trump)

So far he's been an improvement on Obama. I know that it's a pretty low bar. And, assuming he doesn't declare a never-ending war within the next year, he'll be an improvement on GWB.

Veedrock- posted...

Imagine a CE user coming over here and trying to start a circlejerk.

Imagine falling for it.

We really need to build that wall, tbh.
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Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama.

lol no
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama.

lol no

lol yes
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There are a lot of really stupid people in the world. Unfortunately, they are the ones that have the most kids for the most part.

Imagine being delusional enough to spend your precious time hating and wishing ill on him.
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Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama. I know that it's a pretty low bar. And, assuming he doesn't declare a never-ending war within the next year, he'll be an improvement on GWB.

HAHAHAHA! I guess it isn't surprising that you would approve of him.

Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama.

lol no

lol yes

What makes you think that Trump is a good president when a lot of the Republicans don't support him and are skeptical about him being president? The only thing Trump has shown me is that he likes to run his mouth too much.
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Most people didn't vote for Trump because they expected him to do a good job.

They voted for him to give the middle finger to the establishment.

All they expect of him is to piss off congress and prevent every other politician from doing whatever they want for at least four years because the Democrats and Republicans in turn will also prevent Trump from doing anything either.
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they expected him to do a good job.

They voted for him to give the middle finger to the establishment.

All they expect of him is to piss off congress and prevent every other politician from doing whatever they want for at least four years because the Democrats and Republicans in turn will also prevent Trump from doing anything either.

There may have been some protest votes like that. But a lot of people I know thought he would shake things up and "make" people work.

But he has spectacularly failed due to his own refusal to work and refusal/inability to learn about the bills he wants to pass and campaign those bills to get support for them to pass.

He just issues threats and demands without any actual effort apart from that mob boss type shit.

Its fine if you voted Trump because you hated Hillary more

but to think he is good at his occupation requires brain damage
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It's been an entertaining ride. Wondering how low his approval rating can get.
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Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama.

lmao
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imagine thinking hillary would be better.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

imagine thinking hillary would be better.

You mean being able to think objectively?

BlackScythe0 posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they expected him to do a good job.

They voted for him to give the middle finger to the establishment.

All they expect of him is to piss off congress and prevent every other politician from doing whatever they want for at least four years because the Democrats and Republicans in turn will also prevent Trump from doing anything either.

There may have been some protest votes like that. But a lot of people I know thought he would shake things up and "make" people work.

But he has spectacularly failed due to his own refusal to work and refusal/inability to learn about the bills he wants to pass and campaign those bills to get support for them to pass.

He just issues threats and demands without any actual effort apart from that mob boss type shit.

some of that failure is because some democrats refuse to agree to anything he is involved in.

take the supreme court nomination for example. democrats didnt have a problem with his canidate when he was appointed to his previous position. suddenly they did
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Molitheus posted...

Zeus posted...

Phantom_Nook posted...

Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama.

lol no

lol yes

What makes you think that Trump is a good president when a lot of the Republicans don't support him and are skeptical about him being president? The only thing Trump has shown me is that he likes to run his mouth too much.

This. ^^^

Zeus posted...

So far he's been an improvement on Obama

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

some of that failure is because some democrats refuse to agree to anything he is involved in.

you understand the republicans have control of the house and the senate, right?
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Roughly 1/3 of the nation supports him.

Roughly 1/3 of the nation lives in a completely alternate reality from the real one.

A person who can look at that shit stain and see anything positive is so far removed from my ability to understand it can't even be seen as existing in the real world.

You could literally say this for every president since Regan.

It's more liberating having a political party that panders to your demographic at every step.

It's very liberating, actually.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

DarkKirby2500 posted...

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they expected him to do a good job.

They voted for him to give the middle finger to the establishment.

All they expect of him is to piss off congress and prevent every other politician from doing whatever they want for at least four years because the Democrats and Republicans in turn will also prevent Trump from doing anything either.

There may have been some protest votes like that. But a lot of people I know thought he would shake things up and "make" people work.

But he has spectacularly failed due to his own refusal to work and refusal/inability to learn about the bills he wants to pass and campaign those bills to get support for them to pass.

He just issues threats and demands without any actual effort apart from that mob boss type shit.

some of that failure is because some democrats refuse to agree to anything he is involved in.

take the supreme court nomination for example. democrats didnt have a problem with his canidate when he was appointed to his previous position. suddenly they did

Your example of choice is a stolen seat? They would have been angry no matter which republican was president.

Democrats aren't refusing things simply because of him. It's like saying it's surprising they oppose funding for the wall. They would refuse funding for the wall no matter who proposed it.

To be fair, there's a massive disinformation campaign being spread by the right. Constantly accusing reasonable (always opposed) sources of being fake, as well as holding up weak sources (CNN) as representatives of the media in general, is pretty much the first thing you're supposed to do as an aspiring tyrant. They're just really effective methods historically.
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I don't have anyone better to blame than myself. No sense in me pointing fingers at other people.

Jimmy Carter was the last one to give a shit about average Americans.
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I have absolutely zero opinion on him, tbh.

But, my god, the way people were talking before he got elected, you'd think the world was going to end the minute he got into office.

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

I've noticed no change with mine.
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rexcrk posted...

I have absolutely zero opinion on him, tbh.

But, my god, the way people were talking before he got elected, you'd think the world was going to end the minute he got into office.

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

I've noticed no change with mine.

I have empathy.

He's a jerk, but so was Hillary. The two-party system doesn't work beyond maintaining the establishment.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

take the supreme court nomination for example. democrats didnt have a problem with his canidate when he was appointed to his previous position. suddenly they did

That's because Republicans stalled and blocked Obama's nomination until the election, starting in February. They just kinda let the Supreme Court run with an empty seat for nearly a year, saying that "the next president should choose the nominee". They didn't really give a reason, they just had the power to block one of Obama's decisions, and saying the words "block Obama" is the fastest way to get Republicans hard. Trust me, I've tested.

Trump had no right to appoint anyone, and it doesn't matter who he chose. Anyone that would take that stolen seat would be hated.
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rexcrk posted...

I have absolutely zero opinion on him, tbh.

But, my god, the way people were talking before he got elected, you'd think the world was going to end the minute he got into office.

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

I've noticed no change with mine.

I'm not in the US any longer but many of my friends were going to have issues getting health insurance due to pre existing conditions. And they may end up without it if his health care reform ideas are enacted.
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well the government shouldnt be paying for peoples healthcare in the first place
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BlackScythe0 posted...

rexcrk posted...

I have absolutely zero opinion on him, tbh.

But, my god, the way people were talking before he got elected, you'd think the world was going to end the minute he got into office.

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

I've noticed no change with mine.

I have empathy.

Lmao look at this guy pretending he's such a beacon of morality when he's using that to hide behind his obvious partisan bias

Krazy_Kirby posted...

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well the government shouldnt be paying for peoples healthcare in the first place

In your opinion. I have no problem with my taxes going to a single payer system.
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rexcrk posted...

I have absolutely zero opinion on him, tbh.

But, my god, the way people were talking before he got elected, you'd think the world was going to end the minute he got into office.

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

I've noticed no change with mine.

I'm a middle class white male, if you are too then you arent going to notice a change in your life either.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

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well the government shouldnt be paying for peoples healthcare in the first place

Uh but it's not paying for them it's just no longer allowing companies to deny insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. Trump wants to remove that protection. That's going to work out great for my friends with things like MS, lupus, and cancer.

Most other nations that are developed offer single payer healthcare. The US should. Short of doing that, the ACA at least allowed millions of people to get on insurance plans. Repealing that is just working for insurance companies and disregarding needs of the public.
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rexcrk posted...

What has he done that's so bad? Has it affected your life personally?

Very few of the President's actions have an immediate effect on America. Dismantling efforts to combat climate change and putting someone who opposes public education as the Secretary of Education are some really really obvious examples of terrible shit he's doing that we won't see the effects of until much later. So is giving away military secrets, for different reasons.

But there's also a lot of straight-up delays to his decisions. For example, the transgender military ban has a 6 month deadline on it, starting a few days ago. That's how the government works, it doesn't do anything suddenly.

On the brighter side, we've also had a couple times where people have just blocked the exceptionally crazy shit. The healthcare debacle was narrowly avoided, despite pressure from Trump, because thankfully not everything is left up to him.

And another bright side, he also just doesn't really do much for a President. His activity is historically low, his attention taken away by all the campaigning he's doing, and his vacation days historically high. He just doesn't want to work much. I guess people could have seen that coming... meh.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

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well the government shouldnt be paying for peoples healthcare in the first place

Uh but it's not paying for them it's just no longer allowing companies to deny insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. Trump wants to remove that protection. That's going to work out great for my friends with things like MS, lupus, and cancer.

Most other nations that are developed offer single payer healthcare. The US should. Short of doing that, the ACA at least allowed millions of people to get on insurance plans. Repealing that is just working for insurance companies and disregarding needs of the public.

Insurance companies don't want it repealed.

There are no price controls on the ACA.

He literally hired Steve freaking Bannon to a seat in the White House once upon a time!!!!!!!
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

Krazy_Kirby posted...

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well the government shouldnt be paying for peoples healthcare in the first place

Uh but it's not paying for them it's just no longer allowing companies to deny insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. Trump wants to remove that protection. That's going to work out great for my friends with things like MS, lupus, and cancer.

Most other nations that are developed offer single payer healthcare. The US should. Short of doing that, the ACA at least allowed millions of people to get on insurance plans. Repealing that is just working for insurance companies and disregarding needs of the public.

Insurance companies don't want it repealed.

There are no price controls on the ACA.

It's the subsidies they don't want to lose, and the expanded insured base. There's tens of millions of people that weren't paying in before.

Now they're just trying to shut off the subsidies and prices will skyrocket
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Lightning Bolt posted...

Constantly accusing reasonable (always opposed) sources of being fake, as well as holding up weak sources (CNN) as representatives of the media in general, is pretty much the first thing you're supposed to do as an aspiring tyrant. They're just really effective methods historically.

Why not hold CNN up? CNN isn't some slapdick organization like Buzzfeed. It's been around for a very long time and up until recently was generally thought of pretty highly. By myself included. It's a pretty damning thing when one of the more respected news organizations in the country falls into blatant misinformation territory.

And it's not just CNN being weird but a lot of conservative media and personalities are being silenced through Google/Youtube, Twitter, etc. You wanna talk about an aspiring tyrant, why is that not part of your list? They're literally silencing people.

I know they're private organizations, but when you have a market that's controlled entirely by what amounts to basically two or three different companies - it gets a little fucky when they start telling people they're not allowed to use their platforms. We're getting into a bizarre territory of oligopoly.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Most other nations that are developed offer single payer healthcare. The US should. Short of doing that, the ACA at least allowed millions of people to get on insurance plans. Repealing that is just working for insurance companies and disregarding needs of the public.

The ACA was far better for those insurance companies than repealing it lol. Imagine having millions of people suddenly being forced to buy your product. Why would they not want that? On top of that, the government just gives them a fuck ton of money because they're making up the difference.
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Smarkil posted...

The ACA was far better for those insurance companies than repealing it lol. Imagine having millions of people suddenly being forced to buy your product. Why would they not want that? On top of that, the government just gives them a fuck ton of money because they're making up the difference.

Because healthy people will simply not buy insurance, leaving the balance skewed to have a higher proportion of unhealthy people insured. Those people will be hit with even higher premiums, forcing more people to reconsider insurance--if they can even continue to afford it. Eventually that gets really bad for insurance companies, and for those looking for insurance. Without any subsidies this could be devastating

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/not-even-insurance-companies-want-obamacare-repealed/

What will happen depends on what Congress repeals, and what the replacement plan looks like. "If they remove the subsidies and lower the individual mandate tax penalty to zero, it could lead the individual market to unravel," Dow says. Why? It could lead to high rates of what experts call adverse selection, which basically amounts to having more sick people in your pool than healthy ones. "When the pool is less healthy, the premium is higher," says Paul Ginsburg, a health economist at USC's Sol Price School of Public Policy and Brookings. Under Obamacare, the insurance mandate and subsidized lower premiums kept healthy people on the wagon. If Obamacare's replacement doesn't deal with the adverse selection problem, insurers will have to raise their premiums to cover the risk posed by having a higher proportion of sicker, costlier people. "Healthy people will drop out," Ginsburg says. "This is going to do an amazing amount of collateral damage."

So this all seems pretty bad, even if Republicans just go back entirely to the way things were before the Affordable Care Act. Back then, most states allowed insurance companies to alter their premium rates based on a person's health, which is arguably better for insurance companies because it allows them to minimize risk and potentially increase profits. But without the individual mandate, their client base is still going to shrink. "The overall losers here are the sick people," Dow says. "Some people are talking about subsidizing high risk pools for people who have been rejected by insurers, but that would require a lot of government funding. So I’m skeptical."

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I change my earlier statement about this working for insurance companies. It hurts everyone. Prices will be higher without it, so the removed price cap argument isn't going to hold up.

Why on earth would they propose something so awful and with no other plan
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Because healthy people will simply not buy insurance, leaving the balance skewed to have a higher proportion of unhealthy people insured. Those people will be hit with even higher premiums, forcing more people to reconsider insurance--if they can even continue to afford it. Eventually that gets really bad for insurance companies, and for those looking for insurance. Without any subsidies this could be devastating

So you're proving my point. The insurance companies obviously don't want the ACA repealed.

That's why the ACA was such a clusterfuck in the first place. It made it dependent on an even more flawed system than existed before - which is why people would like to go back to what we had prior to this shitshow. Unfortunately, that's likely never going to be possible.
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Smarkil posted...

So you're proving my point. The insurance companies obviously don't want the ACA repealed.

That's why the ACA was such a clusterfuck in the first place. It made it dependent on an even more flawed system than existed before - which is why people would like to go back to what we had prior to this shitshow. Unfortunately, that's likely never going to be possible.

Prior to the ACA millions of americans simply couldn't get insurance. They need to work out a better solution, not just gut what was put in place. This is leaving people with no option for healthcare and it is disgusting
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Jimmy Carter was the last one to give a shit about average Americans.

Probably because he was the last president who WAS an average American at some point in his life.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Prior to the ACA millions of americans simply couldn't get insurance. They need to work out a better solution, not just gut what was put in place. This is leaving people with no option for healthcare and it is disgusting

That's what medicare and medicaid were for.

The original touted figure of the some 24 million that were touted as being fucked with an ACA repeal was a bullshit number to begin with. Of that 24 million, something like 15 million of them were people who would simply opt out of having health insurance (I forget the exact number). Further, the remainder wouldn't have just been completely fucked out of their insurance, but rather their insurance would just not be the same insurance they have now. Many would have been covered under medicare/medicaid by the 2026 removal date. The congressional budget office which presented the numbers even stated such, but everyone just kinda ignored that part.

But the narrative from the start was of course "24 MILLION AMERICANS ARE GONNA GET BUTTFUCKED AND HAVE CANCER AND HAVE NO INSURANCE ANYMORE" because that's the world we live in.
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Smarkil posted...

That's what medicare and medicaid were for.

Not everyone can get those, unless I misunderstand the programs.

24 million aren't going to die immediately, and most of those probably will be fine without insurance. But even a few people losing coverage or being priced out and dying is a few too many. That's money over life, suffering and death that could be prevented.

Perspective is a bound to be a bit different. Healthcare does not have to be treated as a commodity like a car (or paid barrier like a toll road), it can be a universal service like driving on the public road.
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