Current Events > Holy shit my coworker is getting a raise... i'm fucking pissed

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I make $24 an hour
Managment just told me they're getting a pay raise to $16 an hour, from $12

This is ridiculous
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Hi Bok.
Ho Bik.

Godnorgosh posted...

Now this is a gimmick I can get behind.

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WHAT THE HELL

AND they're giving him equal access to confidential info?
What. In. The. Hell.
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I can't believe my fucking coworker is getting the same benefits as me
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Except you're still getting paid 50% more than he is.

Sounds to me like he's getting screwed over. More responsibility without the equivalent jump in pay is bullshit.
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Aristoph posted...

Except you're still getting paid 50% more than he is.

Sounds to me like he's getting screwed over. More responsibility without the equivalent jump in pay is bullshit.

but why the fuck did i get passed over for a raise
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Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

Except you're still getting paid 50% more than he is.

Sounds to me like he's getting screwed over. More responsibility without the equivalent jump in pay is bullshit.

but why the fuck did i get passed over for a raise

Cause you suck
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God damn your topic got fucking decimated lmfao.
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So you're telling me
that because I already have the $24/hr pay rate, benefits, and same responsibility as this guy
who makes less than me, has the same benefits, and same responsibility

that I shouldn't be mad

why should he have the same benefits when he makes less than me
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Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

Except you're still getting paid 50% more than he is.

Sounds to me like he's getting screwed over. More responsibility without the equivalent jump in pay is bullshit.

but why the fuck did i get passed over for a raise

because your coworker is white
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Man fuck this
I'm gonna stage a holdout, a sit in in my managers office
Fucking ridiculous that someone else is getting pay raises
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Bok_Choi posted...

why should he have the same benefits when he makes less than me

Because most companies have the same benefits for all employees?

My employees, myself, my Director, and our Vice President all have the same health insurance and 401k and shit...
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But he didn't have them BEFORE

now he HAS them

that makes me ANGRY
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we've had an inter-office split before where half the office wanted to give him a raise but the other half didn't

man that was terrible

still can't believe we decided to give him benefits and a pay raise smh
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jelly
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Bok_Choi posted...

why should he have the same benefits when he makes less than me

The better question is why should he have the same responsibilities as you and not get paid the same as you?

Might want to re-evaluate your stance a bit. The dude is getting fucked raw by your company.
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I don't think you're getting it

I got passed over for a raise
for this guy
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Your company is set up in such a way that a raise for one employee means another employee cannot get one? WTF? that's a terrible design.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Your company is set up in such a way that a raise for one employee means another employee cannot get one? WTF? that's a terrible design.

no i'm still getting my raise eventually
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Bok_Choi posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Your company is set up in such a way that a raise for one employee means another employee cannot get one? WTF? that's a terrible design.

no i'm still getting my raise eventually

So then you didn't get passed over for a raise. Seriously, what are you even bitching about right now?

"How dare this guy get less money to do the same job as me! Who does he think he is, some second-class citizen? He's clearly third-class at best!"

That's what you sound like right now.
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I saw your deleted post.

You're wrong. The other guy is being discriminated against in this case because he's doing the same job as "the white man" but he's getting paid less for it. It absolutely is discrimination. It's pretty much the definition of discrimination, actually.
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Aristoph posted...

The other guy is being discriminated against in this case

.........that's the point....
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Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

The other guy is being discriminated against in this case

.........that's the point....

Yes, but the point you are making is stupid. Because even people who are against affirmative action and everything along those lines would still agree that somebody doing the same job and getting paid less for it is bullshit regardless of their race/gender/etc.
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Aristoph posted...

Yes, but the point you are making is stupid. Because even people who are against affirmative action and everything along those lines would still agree that somebody doing the same job and getting paid less for it is bullshit regardless of their race/gender/etc.

Have you seen CE?
lmfao

Edit: I realize my point is stupid, because it's fucking obvious that one side is being discriminated against.
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Bok_Choi posted...

Have you seen CE?
lmfao

Edit: I realize my point is stupid, because it's f***ing obvious that one side is being discriminated against.

The key difference is that the people you are trying to reach with this argument would agree with it in the manner you set it up. The person getting paid less for doing the same job is getting screwed. Everyone can see that very clearly.

The problem is that the people you are trying to reach are the ones who would claim that guy shouldn't have had the job in the first place. They would justify his lower wages not by claiming he isn't doing the same job. They would justify it by claiming that he's doing a poor job at that position and instead of doing it for lower wages he should instead be fired and replaced by someone "more competent."
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Aristoph posted...

The person getting paid less for doing the same job is getting screwed. Everyone can see that very clearly.

So why can't everyone see how minorities are getting screwed over the same way

In fact, if I wanted to make it more obvious I'd talk about how the coworker gets a much harder time at work from bosses and gets reprimanded for stuff all the time, while my father put me in this position and nobody in the upper management cares about what I do.
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Aristoph posted...

The problem is that the people you are trying to reach are the ones who would claim that guy shouldn't have had the job in the first place.

ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
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Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

The person getting paid less for doing the same job is getting screwed. Everyone can see that very clearly.

So why can't everyone see how minorities are getting screwed over the same way

In fact, if I wanted to make it more obvious I'd talk about how the coworker gets a much harder time at work from bosses and gets reprimanded for stuff all the time, while my father put me in this position and nobody in the upper management cares about what I do.

Because you made a topic expressing how you were being screwed over by a minority taking your job. None of the other information or facts you posted means a thing to those people. You just added fuel to their fire to hate anyone who isn't white.
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DragonMaster525 posted...

Because you made a topic expressing how you were being screwed over by a minority taking your job. None of the other information or facts you posted means a thing to those people. You just added fuel to their fire to hate anyone who isn't white.

I'm not sure you really understood my topic
It's okay, they don't teach extended metaphor in HS anymore I heard

yes its a piss poor metaphor but i'm going to force it because this is ce
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Bok_Choi posted...

In fact, if I wanted to make it more obvious I'd talk about how the coworker gets a much harder time at work from bosses and gets reprimanded for stuff all the time, while my father put me in this position and nobody in the upper management cares about what I do.

That would have made the metaphor significantly better.


Bok_Choi posted...

So why can't everyone see how minorities are getting screwed over the same way

Because you made no mention of his skill at the job. You claimed to be upset purely at the pay and benefits. To most racists and anti-affirmative-action people, the fact that he sucks at his job is inherent and a very good reason for him to earn less. Since nobody was given any impression that you thought his performance was sub-par, the metaphor you were trying to push fell flat.
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Aristoph posted...

Because you made no mention of his skill at the job. You claimed to be upset purely at the pay and benefits. To most racists and anti-affirmative-action people, the fact that he sucks at his job is inherent and a very good reason for him to earn less. Since nobody was given any impression that you thought his performance was sub-par, the metaphor you were trying to push fell flat.

Okay, I guess I see what you're saying... but why would you believe they sucked at their job when I hadn't said anything? That's a lot of assuming people are doing.

if people asked if he was better at the job than me i was gonna say "yes" btw
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Aristoph posted...

That would have made the metaphor significantly better.

i like subtlety and i knew CE would catch on too fast to that
ps this topic is hardly subtle
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He puts out
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Bok_Choi posted...

Okay, I guess I see what you're saying... but why would you believe they sucked at their job when I hadn't said anything? That's a lot of assuming people are doing.

No, you've got it flipped. You didn't mention that his performance was bad, so everyone assumed he was just fine at the job. Therefore, everyone just accepted that the guy was getting screwed over and you were being an ass.

There wasn't anybody saying "well he probably deserves it for some reason or another" because there was no implication that he did. If you had added the part about him getting harassed by management all the time, I'm sure you would have gotten at least a few ignorant people coming in and saying something like "I bet he's getting harassed because he keeps fucking up, and if he just did the job right he wouldn't have to deal with that." Those are the people you should be trying to reach, but none of them came out of the woodwork since that implication of sub-standard performance wasn't there for them to use to justify their prejudice.
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Aristoph posted...

Therefore, everyone just accepted that the guy was getting screwed over and you were being an ass.

...that's my point though

how can you blindly accept that he was doing okay and i was the ass

but then turn around and say white genocide/culture death is real and black people don't need affirmative action
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Bok_Choi posted...

I can't believe my fucking coworker is getting the same benefits as me

DISGUZTING
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Prices everywhere goes up.
Your money doesn't.

Good luck.
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I think you thought I was trying to trick people into making near-racist or bigoted remarks

but I intended to make people sympathize with the coworker
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Bok_Choi posted...

I think you thought I was trying to trick people into making near-racist or bigoted remarks

but I intended to make people sympathize with the coworker

Race was never mentioned, so everyone sympathized with the coworker. That doesn't do anything, though. Everyone is going to sympathize with the coworker when race isn't a factor.

Frankly the topic and the metaphor sucked because the thing you were trying to address was never even mentioned or implied at any point. You can't bring attention to the plight of something without mentioning that something.

That's like saying "I can't believe they keep updating tree-cutting machines and making them more and more efficient! The old stuff works perfectly fine as it is! It's just so wasteful to throw away all that old equipment!" When really what you're trying to say is "Deforestation is a terrible thing! We should be working to slow it down, not speed it up!" Nobody is going to make that leap in logic because there's no indication that leap is relevant.
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Aristoph posted...

Race was never mentioned, so everyone sympathized with the coworker. That doesn't do anything, though. Everyone is going to sympathize with the coworker when race isn't a factor.

...i'm really struggling to explain this to you
this was the fucking point

if you think the coworker in this situation is getting dicked over, but then think minorities in America shouldn't get what is perceived as "special treatment"
then you're a hypocrite
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Mist_Turnips posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

Except you're still getting paid 50% more than he is.

Sounds to me like he's getting screwed over. More responsibility without the equivalent jump in pay is bullshit.

but why the fuck did i get passed over for a raise

Cause you suck

life giving him the middle finger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMe-WzQQcZ4
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Bok_Choi posted...

...i'm really struggling to explain this to you
this was the f***ing point

Ok, so you wanted people to sympathize with the coworker. Mission accomplished on that front, I guess? Everyone did.

But you're also expecting people to make the leap of equating this to the racial divide. And the problem is that there is absolutely no reason or indication that that leap is necessary or intended. You ask how people can assume that your coworker is getting screwed over and yet still believe black people don't need affirmative action. Well it's pretty simple...lots of white people get screwed over by shitty companies all the time. There's no reason for someone to think of race at all. If it's a white guy getting screwed over people would still be upset that he's getting screwed over.

The only way this metaphor makes anybody think about anything meaningful is if race is inherently involved. But it's not. You set up the scenario in a very poor manner and as a result you didn't get anybody thinking about what you wanted them to think about.

A better way to put it would have been to mention he was black/latino/whatever originally. And then when someone says "maybe he's getting flack by management because he's bad at the job" you point out that he's actually got better numbers than you do. That would begin the discussion of racial profiling/discrimination. The way you set it up has nothing to do with race or actively implies (via complete avoidance of race) that race has nothing to do with it. You actually pushed people away from the race discussion with your premise rather than towards it.
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Aristoph posted...

The only way this metaphor makes anybody think about anything meaningful is if race is inherently involved.

No, it's not.
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Aristoph posted...

But you're also expecting people to make the leap of equating this to the racial divide.

No I'm not.
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Bok_Choi posted...

if you think the coworker in this situation is getting dicked over, but then think minorities in America shouldn't get what is perceived as "special treatment"
then you're a hypocrite

I think they should get equal treatment. There's nothing hypocritical about that.

If you do the same job as someone of another race, you should be paid the same as that other person. They should not get preferential treatment because they're black. Just like I should not get preferential treatment because I'm white.

There are two ways to resolve the situation in the first post. The guy who's complaining gets a pay cut or the other guy gets a pay raise. Considering your claim that he's only got his job because he's the boss's kid or, he shouldn't have had the job in the first place. But if both people are performing adequately a the job, they should be paid the same for their work. This isn't that complicated.
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sorry that's a dumb post to make on my part

i'm out lmao topic over
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Bok_Choi posted...

Aristoph posted...

But you're also expecting people to make the leap of equating this to the racial divide.

No I'm not.

Bok_Choi posted...

how can you blindly accept that he was doing okay and i was the ass

but then turn around and say white genocide/culture death is real and black people don't need affirmative action

That's exactly what you're doing.

Frankly, I think at this point you have no idea what you're even arguing or what your point was in the first place.
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You're asking me to paint with a hammer

I like to use the fine tip

Everything you're telling me right now just says you think you can't make a metaphor about race relations without inserting race into the metaphor

lmfao
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