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NFUN
08/23/17 12:34:35 AM
#202:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump's paternal grandfather was born in Germany in 1869 and moved to the US in 1885
His mom was born in Scotland in 1912

What about his paternal grandmother?
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LordoftheMorons
08/23/17 12:36:33 AM
#203:


NFUN posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Trump's paternal grandfather was born in Germany in 1869 and moved to the US in 1885
His mom was born in Scotland in 1912

What about his paternal grandmother?

Born in Germany in 1880, married his grandfather in 1902 and then moved back with him to America apparently
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NFUN
08/23/17 12:41:26 AM
#204:


alrighty
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Eddv
08/23/17 12:43:00 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Wait is that what they mean when they say 3rd Generation American? That seems like it would only be 2nd generation to me. Unless they are just counting by citizenship and not birth/upbringing?

Oh actually you're right. Yeah, he should be 2nd, sorry.


No it is third.

The first gen is the immigrants the 2nd gen are the "foot in both worlds" types and the third gen are well just fully integrated
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NFUN
08/23/17 12:43:04 AM
#206:


hey lotm would an object in a gravitational well have lower mass than when it's free like in other potential wells or do weird general relativistic shenanigans screw with that?
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SupremeZero
08/23/17 12:45:41 AM
#207:


Eddv posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Wait is that what they mean when they say 3rd Generation American? That seems like it would only be 2nd generation to me. Unless they are just counting by citizenship and not birth/upbringing?

Oh actually you're right. Yeah, he should be 2nd, sorry.


No it is third.

The first gen is the immigrants the 2nd gen are the "foot in both worlds" types and the third gen are well just fully integrated

So what you're saying is that Trump isn't Third Gen.
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NFUN
08/23/17 12:48:04 AM
#208:


Obviously Trump is 6th Gen because he has a terrible design.
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MrGreenonion
08/23/17 12:52:31 AM
#209:


Eddv posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Wait is that what they mean when they say 3rd Generation American? That seems like it would only be 2nd generation to me. Unless they are just counting by citizenship and not birth/upbringing?

Oh actually you're right. Yeah, he should be 2nd, sorry.


No it is third.

The first gen is the immigrants the 2nd gen are the "foot in both worlds" types and the third gen are well just fully integrated

Well it depends how you count it, right? On his father's side he's 3rd but on his mother's he's 2nd. Do you count based on higher? Lower? Paternal lineage?
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LordoftheMorons
08/23/17 12:55:29 AM
#210:


NFUN posted...
hey lotm would an object in a gravitational well have lower mass than when it's free like in other potential wells or do weird general relativistic shenanigans screw with that?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by stuff having a lower mass in a potential. The potential should lower the object's energy but not its mass.

Most physicists define mass to be invariant (m^2*c^4=E^2-(pc)^2 is a frame independent constant) so your momentum is gamma*m*v instead of m*v with a varying m. If you are going with a definition of mass where m=gamma*m0 though the only thing that affects the mass is the object's velocity.
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Kenri
08/23/17 12:57:47 AM
#211:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/900116610668797957

Lmfao. I bet you Kenri or someone defends this.

You're right, as a leftist I'm usually in the business of defending huge corporations.
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MenuWars
08/23/17 1:00:17 AM
#212:


Trump: "I hate immigrants"
Everyone: "But you're only third generation yourself"
Trump: "Oh, I meant I hate second generation and newer immigrants, but especially the illegal ones. Build a wall"
Half of everyone: "Yay"
Trump's advisor: "Wait what?"
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NFUN
08/23/17 1:01:23 AM
#213:


LordoftheMorons posted...
NFUN posted...
hey lotm would an object in a gravitational well have lower mass than when it's free like in other potential wells or do weird general relativistic shenanigans screw with that?

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by stuff having a lower mass in a potential. The potential should lower the object's energy but not its mass.

Most physicists define mass to be invariant (m^2*c^4=E^2-(pc)^2 is a frame independent constant) so your momentum is gamma*m*v instead of m*v with a varying m. If you are going with a definition of mass where m=gamma*m0 though the only thing that affects the mass is the object's velocity.

The mass deficit of atoms was on my mind when thinking about this, and I know that a similar phenomenon occurs in molecules with bond energies.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 1:01:43 AM
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MenuWars
08/23/17 1:03:48 AM
#215:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/900153026631139329

Uhhhh

Does anyone want to tell him?


Please don't I like it better when I can believe.
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NFUN
08/23/17 1:05:37 AM
#216:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/900153026631139329

Uhhhh

Does anyone want to tell him?

Anyways, he's referring to campaigning. If you campaign like Trump did, by insulting your opponents and spouting off bullshit instead of trying to win by your ideas and policies, you don't belong.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 1:07:17 AM
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You have to see how that comes across though right?

And I say this as a Bernie supporter
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Not_an_Owl
08/23/17 1:09:57 AM
#218:


NFUN posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/900153026631139329

Uhhhh

Does anyone want to tell him?

Anyways, he's referring to campaigning. If you campaign like Trump did, by insulting your opponents and spouting off bullshit instead of trying to win by your ideas and policies, you don't belong.

And yet Trump won. What does that say?
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NFUN
08/23/17 1:10:11 AM
#219:


Jakyl25 posted...
You have to see how that comes across though right?

And I say this as a Bernie supporter

I guess. When I first read it I still mentally emphasized a different part than you.
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Eddv
08/23/17 1:14:19 AM
#220:


MenuWars posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/sensanders/status/900153026631139329

Uhhhh

Does anyone want to tell him?


Please don't I like it better when I can believe.


Granted that this is a staffer (says right on the profile the ones signed "- B" are Sanders and the rest arent), but yeah.

The left isn't actually all that great either. There is a nugget of truth to the "liberal intellectual elitism" meme that comes from this attitude. Not surprising that you'd see it spouted by Sanders staff.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 1:27:37 AM
#221:


There definitely is no point to being an intellectual elitists when a large swath of your opponents have the minds of cultists.

The marketplace of ideas is a sham
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MenuWars
08/23/17 1:35:22 AM
#222:


Other than the Nazis/KKK the left behaves almost identically to the right, but the bare bones of their ideas are often better imo than the rights.

I think if the left just concentrated on bringing its Bernie's to the frontline, and stopped with all the bullshit they accuse everyone else of, they'd keep sweeping elections. But if half your front runners are talking shit about white people, and the voter base is 80 percent white people, you've done fucked up.
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Shaduln
08/23/17 1:35:40 AM
#223:


Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Shaduln posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Speaking of which

Trump is a fucking third generation American from Germany
The Confederacy isn't even his heritage


Well when we run Nazi flags out of town we are attacking his heritage I guess

Hey now.


Sorry, if Trump is 3rd gen then his last ancestor born there would be like 1820 or so? My bad.


3 generations would be 200 years ago?


If Trump was born in 1957, then there would be two whole generations before him born here, let's say they both had kids at 25, that gets us to 1907, so you're right, the last German born would be about 1880ish

Now if they all had kids in their 50s like Donald maybe I'm closer to correct.

My point was I'm as far removed from Germany as Donnie so just be careful about throwing the Nazi shade just because of where someone descends from.
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redrocket_pub
08/23/17 1:36:57 AM
#224:


MenuWars posted...
But if half your front runners are talking shit about white people


....this is a thing?
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 1:37:52 AM
#225:


Stolen from rando on Twitter:

At least we know Trump won't start a nuclear war. It would destroy too many statues.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 1:39:31 AM
#226:


Shaduln posted...
My point was I'm as far removed from Germany as Donnie so just be careful about throwing the Nazi shade just because of where someone descends from.


Yeah that's why I apologized. My brain was so shook by Trump I assumed maybe he literally had Nazi ancestors, without doing the math. I'm sorry.
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Shaduln
08/23/17 1:45:51 AM
#227:


Jakyl25 posted...
Shaduln posted...
My point was I'm as far removed from Germany as Donnie so just be careful about throwing the Nazi shade just because of where someone descends from.


Yeah that's why I apologized. My brain was so shook by Trump I assumed maybe he literally had Nazi ancestors, without doing the math. I'm sorry.

Even if I didn't have nazi ancestors (my grandmother learned english by secret at night because she could have been possibly killed for it), It's still part of the my history as the largest part of my known ancestry is German.

That said, I know you didn't mean it as "all German descendants love their Nazi heritage".
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MenuWars
08/23/17 1:47:25 AM
#228:


redrocket_pub posted...
MenuWars posted...
But if half your front runners are talking shit about white people


....this is a thing?



Not so much on the political spectrum, but the affiliated agendas associated with them. Absolutely. Trump was always going to be a disgrace and people should've known better. But as I've explained before, if you're constantly complaining about black poverty but more of the voter base is white and poor the statistics don't help you. Systemic oppression exists, but when you fight it by trying to sweepingly, and unapologetically generalise it. You piss people off.

If you're claiming the moral high ground you have to actually hold it. The rights don't give a fuck attitude, seems much more human and trustworthy in comparison.
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Mr Lasastryke
08/23/17 3:07:22 AM
#229:


Eddv posted...
The left isn't actually all that great either. There is a nugget of truth to the "liberal intellectual elitism" meme that comes from this attitude. Not surprising that you'd see it spouted by Sanders staff.


the statement has nothing to do with left/right. as NFUN said, the person is saying that if you campaign on insulting people instead of ideas, you shouldn't be a politician.

you can argue that the statement is wrong when applied to trump because he was campaigning on plenty of ideas (like "build the wall") or whatever, but the principle of the statement is fine.
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LordoftheMorons
08/23/17 5:07:50 AM
#230:


I think most people in this topic have long since come to the conclusion that Trump is batshit crazy and completely unfit for office, but hearing someone as apolitical and restrained as James Clapper say so is pretty striking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/james-clapper-trump-phoenix-rally-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html
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trdl23
08/23/17 7:49:52 AM
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So I went to a Bernie thing last night.

I didn't realize it was going to be a Bernie thing. I thought it was just going to a John Conyers thing, which was why I was shocked at how many people were there.

I see why people like him. His passion is infectious. I certainly don't agree with everything he says (fuck protectionist trade policies), but he has a lot going right, and more than anything, he really seems to mean it.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 8:34:39 AM
#232:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I think most people in this topic have long since come to the conclusion that Trump is batshit crazy and completely unfit for office, but hearing someone as apolitical and restrained as James Clapper say so is pretty striking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/james-clapper-trump-phoenix-rally-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html



complete intellectual, moral and ethical void.


Couldn't have said it better
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UltiXX
08/23/17 8:37:40 AM
#233:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I think most people in this topic have long since come to the conclusion that Trump is batshit crazy and completely unfit for office, but hearing someone as apolitical and restrained as James Clapper say so is pretty striking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/james-clapper-trump-phoenix-rally-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html

The liberal bubble's opinion means nothing, especially when they defend garbage like this: https://www.mediaite.com/online/black-trump-supporter-punched-while-fleeing-arizona-melee/

Had the guy run over protestors in self defense (which would have been legitimate self defense, as they were surrounding his vehicle with intent to harm), the media would have called the driver a white nationalist nazi.

The driver was black, just fyi. We are not buying any of the bull the media is trying to sell.
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UltiXX
08/23/17 9:25:38 AM
#234:


For the sake of my own sanity, please tell me this ESPN story about Robert Lee is a practical joke.

No way did ESPN pull an Asian announcer to avoid offending leftist idiots prematurely, right?
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trdl23
08/23/17 9:37:43 AM
#235:


UltiXX posted...
For the sake of my own sanity, please tell me this ESPN story about Robert Lee is a practical joke.

No way did ESPN pull an Asian announcer to avoid offending leftist idiots prematurely, right?

I really hope so too. It's beyond asinine.
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UltiXX
08/23/17 9:43:33 AM
#236:


If it actually is true, then it proves my every point about the left.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 9:45:01 AM
#237:


No wonder conservatives are increasingly anti-science. They don't understand how the scientific method works.
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trdl23
08/23/17 9:51:00 AM
#238:


UltiXX posted...
If it actually is true, then it proves my every point about the left.

It proves every point about ESPN's lack of a spine.
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Peace___Frog
08/23/17 9:57:24 AM
#239:


context for espn

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/900219648473522178

In short,
No politically correct efforts. No race issues. Just trying to be supportive of a young guy who felt it best to avoid the potential zoo.

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TheRock1525
08/23/17 9:58:01 AM
#240:


https://twitter.com/yashar/status/900219648473522178/photo/1

Doesn't this just make ESPN look more sensible (if this is real)? They talked with the guy, they both agreed to switch (not pulled, switched assignments), and everyone's probably better off for it.

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Peace___Frog
08/23/17 10:00:29 AM
#241:


Ninja'd
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 10:39:28 AM
#242:


https://twitter.com/w7voa/status/900352690445705216

Uhhhhh is that really the image you want to go with for that headline?
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Peace___Frog
08/23/17 10:44:55 AM
#243:


Another example demonstrating the need for copy editors
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TheRock1525
08/23/17 10:47:45 AM
#244:


Unless it's a newspaper actually trying to call out police's overuse of force.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 10:51:01 AM
#245:


TheRock1525 posted...
Unless it's a newspaper actually trying to call out police's overuse of force.


Wishful thinking!
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LapisLazuli
08/23/17 11:37:38 AM
#246:


You say that, but I just cannot comprehend that meaning anything else. It HAS to be on purpose.
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Jakyl25
08/23/17 11:38:42 AM
#247:


Many Trump supporters see those police and root for them to beat down that man
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/23/17 11:46:21 AM
#248:


UltiXX posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
I think most people in this topic have long since come to the conclusion that Trump is batshit crazy and completely unfit for office, but hearing someone as apolitical and restrained as James Clapper say so is pretty striking:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/23/politics/james-clapper-trump-phoenix-rally-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html

The liberal bubble's opinion means nothing, especially when they defend garbage like this: https://www.mediaite.com/online/black-trump-supporter-punched-while-fleeing-arizona-melee/

Had the guy run over protestors in self defense (which would have been legitimate self defense, as they were surrounding his vehicle with intent to harm), the media would have called the driver a white nationalist nazi.

The driver was black, just fyi. We are not buying any of the bull the media is trying to sell.


I'm actually buying all of what the media is trying to sell, and I don't even know the story. I'm not going to read the article or any other article about it. I'm inclined to just automatically side with and believe what the media says because rightists will cry about it.
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Corrik
08/23/17 12:12:55 PM
#249:


trdl23 posted...
UltiXX posted...
For the sake of my own sanity, please tell me this ESPN story about Robert Lee is a practical joke.

No way did ESPN pull an Asian announcer to avoid offending leftist idiots prematurely, right?

I really hope so too. It's beyond asinine.

It is true and ESPN is rightfully getting ridiculed for it so whatever.
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LapisLazuli
08/23/17 12:20:41 PM
#250:


Corrik once again in the bad habit of not catching up on the topic before posting.
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HaRRicH
08/23/17 12:26:54 PM
#251:


Rasmussen today:

Approve - 41%
(Strongly approve - 24%)
(Strongly disapprove - 47%)
Disapprove - 57%
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