Current Events > Trump tweeting in defense of Confederate statues this morning

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898169407213645824
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898171544236687361
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898172999945392131


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why did we have statues of confederate generals in the first place

during the civil rights movement many of the statues were put up in opposition to it
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"Will never be comparably replaced?"

Well not with that defeatist attitude, sweetie.
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FrenchCrunch posted...

why did we have statues of confederate generals in the first place

To prop up a myth of the "lost cause" and generally symbolize that white supremacy was still the rule in the South.
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Can the right wing at least start by admitting that not all of the confederate statues are beautiful? Some of them are pedestrian at best.
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Troll in chief

Trumpeters should be so proud

FrenchCrunch posted...

why did we have statues of confederate generals in the first place

An attempt to whitewash the Confederate legacy. Effectively attempting to erase history.
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this is probably the ugliest statue that I've ever seen
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BLAKUboy posted...

FrenchCrunch posted...

why did we have statues of confederate generals in the first place

An attempt to whitewash the Confederate legacy. Effectively attempting to erase history.

a lot of them were responses to the civil rights movement

http://bit.ly/2q6B3Y8
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Imagine celebrating a general who lost a war.
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he's just doubling down and i fucking love it. keep going, Trumpy, please. send your approval rating below 30, you're almost there!
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StraightMACLIN posted...

Imagine celebrating a general who lost a war.

Right? He wasn't just captured either.
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I'm pretty sure we execute traitors, not memorialize them.
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I love how the alt-right coming to the defense of these statues has only accelerated efforts to bring them down.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

I love how the alt-right coming to the defense of these statues has only accelerated efforts to bring them down.

"We're being oppressed!!" ~Alt-Reich, probably
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I'm sort of with Trump on this in a way. Specifically I don't see a need to take them down. However I don't care if they are if that's how the people that live there feel.

Here's my stance...

Let the actual city the statues are in decide what to do. Everyone else stfu.
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Finally doing something right for a change.
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He's either:

1. Racist
2. Trolling Anerica
3. Trying to make Republicans look bad as a double agent.
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Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898169407213645824

Crazy to think that statues are somehow considered history

Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898171544236687361

I forgot how Washington and Jefferson led a revolt against our country

Antifar posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898172999945392131

I don't know if he's actually looked at some of the statues, but they were hideous. Not to mention quite a few black people having to go to a park with those men there

Bluebomber182 posted...

http://bit.ly/2q6B3Y8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Hawaii

boxington posted...

this is probably the ugliest statue that I've ever seen

There's something really off with the head, or was that what they were going for? It reminds me of those bobble heads.
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StraightMACLIN posted...

Imagine celebrating a general who lost a war.

People still have lots of respect for Nazi General, Erwin Rommel

>_>
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On the subject of Trump and Civil War history, some might recall this story from the campaign
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html

Between the 14th hole and the 15th tee of one of the club’s two courses, Mr. Trump installed a flagpole on a stone pedestal overlooking the Potomac, to which he affixed a plaque purportedly designating “The River of Blood.”

“Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot,” the inscription reads. “The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as ‘The River of Blood.’ ”

The inscription, beneath his family crest and above Mr. Trump’s full name, concludes: “It is my great honor to have preserved this important section of the Potomac River!”

Like many of Mr. Trump’s claims, the inscription was evidently not fact-checked.

“No. Uh-uh. No way. Nothing like that ever happened there,” said Richard Gillespie, the executive director of the Mosby Heritage Area Association, a historical preservation and education group devoted to an 1,800-square-mile section of the Northern Virginia Piedmont, including the Lowes Island site.

“The only thing that was remotely close to that,” Mr. Gillespie said, was 11 miles up the river at the Battle of Ball’s Bluff in 1861, a rout of Union forces in which several hundred were killed. “The River of Blood?” he added. “Nope, not there.”

Mr. Gillespie’s contradiction of the plaque’s account was seconded by Alana Blumenthal, the curator of the Loudoun Museum in nearby Leesburg. (A third local expert, who said he had written to Mr. Trump’s company about the inscription’s falsehoods and offered to provide historically valid replacement text, insisted on anonymity because he did not want to cross the Trump Organization by disclosing a private exchange.)

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Bluebomber182 posted...

http://bit.ly/2q6B3Y8

I always find it funny how the British Empire committed more unspeakable acts of racism than the Confederacy for literal centuries yet the Union Jack is now a cool and hip pop culture symbol while the Confederate flag is seen as a symbol of hatred and racism

Funny how that works
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CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.
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That part would be a human soul, the man is the living embodiment of Greed and Narcissism.
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i think a lot of people in the south dont see the statue as a symbol of racism, its more about their heritage of having a separate history/culture from people in the north, honoring their fallen people in the civil war, etc.

obviously racism and slavery is a HUGE component in this but IMO a lot of these guys kind of just block out that part, now whether or not it's ingrained dog whistling or just willful ignorance is up for debate.

ive met a bunch of people from the south and they definitely do feel very disconnected from life up in the northeast in a lot of ways.
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I'm boggled by the alt-left comment
like, that literally was created this weekend by Hannity


and it's annoying to hear him double-down on the whole "they're trying to destroy history" narrative. this comment from the reddit thread said it well, I think

The thing is, he doesnt give two shits about the statues. The only way he would even care is if it was a statue of himself.
What he is doing is to create a narrative for his base that the left is coming for the history and background of his supporters. That the left wants to "eradicate and destroy" the history of his supporters. That was his goal with the whole alt-left remark. He is not trying to bring the country together. He wants his base to be even more angry, because the more angry they are, the less they care about all the wrong he is doing. The more they show up to his campaign rallies and buy his god awful merchandise.
The trump supporters dont even care a lot about the statues, they just feel attacked because the president is gaslighting them into a frenzy that blinds them from reality.
In reality what is happening is, statues celebrating and whitewashing the history of the civil war era are taken down and MOVED TO MUSEUMS. Where people can still go and enjoy getting their dicks hard by reliving the glory of the south.

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CapnMuffin posted...

Let the actual city the statues are in decide what to do. Everyone else stfu.

Isn't that what's happening already
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More evidence that this so-called president is already in lame duck status. He doesn't operate on the same wavelength as senate/house GOP members nor the people in general, so how then can he ever hope to move his agenda?

Analysts are saying he's on a one man island, and that's what it seems like.
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emblem boy posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Let the actual city the statues are in decide what to do. Everyone else stfu.

Isn't that what's happening already

Not when a pissed off mob pulls it down in the meantime.

emblem boy posted...

Isn't that what's happening already

IIRC didn't the city council in Charlottesville vote to remove the statues then that's when the nazis descended on the city?
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tremain07 posted...

boxington posted...

this is probably the ugliest statue that I've ever seen

There's something really off with the head, or was that what they were going for? It reminds me of those bobble heads.

The dude reminds me of Lord Farquaad
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...

More evidence that this so-called president is already in lame duck status. He doesn't operate on the same wavelength as senate/house GOP members nor the people in general, so how then can he ever hope to move his agenda?

Analysts are saying he's on a one man island, and that's what it seems like.

What ? Trump's agenda is to use the government to enrich himself and he's been doing that without pause already, see how he nickel and dimes his staff by forcing them to stay at his shitty resort every weekend
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emblem boy posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Let the actual city the statues are in decide what to do. Everyone else stfu.

Isn't that what's happening already

No, they're being taken down by Democratic politicians to further their own political gain.

Here in NOLA when it was suggested to bring the issue to a city wide vote, it was shot down by Mitch Landrieu who knew if it was brought to a vote they wouldn't have went with his shitty publicity stunt
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That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.

Probably. But I would assume if I was black I would be more concerned about modern racism (see: the people making a huge deal of this) rather than the statue specifically or its historical context.
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CapnMuffin posted...

That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.

Probably. But I would assume if I was black I would be more concerned about modern racism (see: the people making a huge deal of this) rather than the statue specifically or its historical context.

They are more concerned about modern racism. But they're also concerned about the governments of their states sponsoring the confederacy. You can be concerned about more than one thing at a time.
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People said Trump wasn't racist. No he defends a man who kidnapped free black people to send them into slavery.
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That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.

Probably. But I would assume if I was black I would be more concerned about modern racism (see: the people making a huge deal of this) rather than the statue specifically or its historical context.

They are more concerned about modern racism. But they're also concerned about the governments of their states sponsoring the confederacy. You can be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

...what
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ZombiePelican posted...

I always find it funny how the British Empire committed more unspeakable acts of racism than the Confederacy for literal centuries yet the Union Jack is now a cool and hip pop culture symbol while the Confederate flag is seen as a symbol of hatred and racism

Funny how that works

The VP of the CSA said that their new nation was the ONLY nation in history to founded on the idea that black people were subservient to white people. Maybe things like that..
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CapnMuffin posted...

That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.

Probably. But I would assume if I was black I would be more concerned about modern racism (see: the people making a huge deal of this) rather than the statue specifically or its historical context.

I think there's an aspect of "These statues help reinforce the racism in modern society" that goes into the calculus.
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The US and UK have been around hundreds of years, with legitimate accomplishments to go with very real wrongs. The Confederacy lasted for five years, and held as their goal the defense of slavery as an institution.
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Chad-Henne posted...

tremain07 posted...

boxington posted...

this is probably the ugliest statue that I've ever seen

There's something really off with the head, or was that what they were going for? It reminds me of those bobble heads.

The dude reminds me of Lord Farquaad

This is the only confederate statue we need. it's terrible and I love it lmao
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CapnMuffin posted...

That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

That_Happened posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Specifically I don't see a need to take them down.

Probably because the statues aren't in reference to your freedom.

Probably. But I would assume if I was black I would be more concerned about modern racism (see: the people making a huge deal of this) rather than the statue specifically or its historical context.

They are more concerned about modern racism. But they're also concerned about the governments of their states sponsoring the confederacy. You can be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

...what

If the southern states have monuments to the confederacy on public land and in their parks, and we're talking about going through the proper governmental channels to remove them, then the state or local government is saying they're ultimately ok with these statues.
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Anteaterking posted...

I think there's an aspect of "These statues help reinforce the racism in modern society" that goes into the calculus.

Jewish people would not be asked to be ok with a Hitler monument funded by their tax dollars.
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cuts national parks budget

the beauty that will be taken out of our parks will never be replaced! because i won't pay for them
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What a terrible statue.
The dude's face looks completely off
I'm not sure if its because of the angle, but his anatomy around his shoulders is fucked
They didn't even fucking try with the horse
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