Current Events > Iceland approaches 100% abortion rate for down syndrome

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CountessRolab 08/15/17 10:25:38 PM #1:	Would you abort you baby if it were disabled? Yes No View Results http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/15/iceland-aborting-nearly-babies-syndrome/ --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:884854195] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote> Would you abort you baby if it were disabled? Yes No View Results http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/15/iceland-aborting-nearly-babies-syndrome/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:27:35 PM #2:	I mean, I won't abort anything because I can't get pregnant. but if I could, I wouldn't because I hate kids. But if I didn't hate kids and and could get pregnant and did, somehow, yes, I'd abort any obvious mental or physical deformities such that the child would have a severe handicap in life and make being a parent harder than it already is. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884854307] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I mean, I won't abort anything because I can't get pregnant. but if I could, I wouldn't because I hate kids. But if I didn't hate kids and and could get pregnant and did, somehow, yes, I'd abort any obvious mental or physical deformities such that the child would have a severe handicap in life and make being a parent harder than it already is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 08/15/17 10:28:21 PM #3:	Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that. --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:884854359] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 08/15/17 10:28:36 PM #4:	I mean... --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:884854376] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I mean...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/15/17 10:29:26 PM #5:	it's not a simple yes or no question tbh --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:884854430] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>it's not a simple yes or no question tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3rd_Best_Master 08/15/17 10:31:19 PM #6:	CountessRolab posted... Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that. It depends on the disability tbqh. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1 <cite>3rd_Best_Master posted [p:884854542] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.</quote> It depends on the disability tbqh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NES4EVER 08/15/17 10:31:28 PM #7:	It really isn't as simple as yes or no, and it's an even more difficult conversation to have with your partner. --- *nu-horsemen 4evar* [A GameFAQs Moderator was deleted by this message] <cite>NES4EVER posted [p:884854548] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>It really isn't as simple as yes or no, and it's an even more difficult conversation to have with your partner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 08/15/17 10:32:04 PM #8:	no answer, i dont plan to have kids --- Drawn for me by \| Popcorn_Fairy: https://i.imgtc.com/cvSNxRT.jpg \| Volkswagen_Bros: http://i.imgur.com/86XOVXb.jpg \| ShinobiNinjaX: https://imgur.com/bPb5vEV <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:884854591] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>no answer, i dont plan to have kids</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 08/15/17 10:33:19 PM #9:	Pretty sad --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:884854668] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Pretty sad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 08/15/17 10:36:30 PM #10:	Good god. You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis. Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:884854838] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Good god. You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis. Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/15/17 10:37:13 PM #11:	I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:884854879] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 08/15/17 10:38:02 PM #12:	yes. it's pretty fucked up to bring a kid into the world who's just gonna suffer just so you can say you had a kid. <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:884854932] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>yes. it's pretty fucked up to bring a kid into the world who's just gonna suffer just so you can say you had a kid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xelltrix 08/15/17 10:38:03 PM #13:	I mean, if you can abort for literally no reason, I don't see the problem. --- Reading this post may induce one or more of the following: Nausea / Butt-Hurt / Lulz / UM? Syndrome / Angst / Diarrhea <cite>Xelltrix posted [p:884854933] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I mean, if you can abort for literally no reason, I don't see the problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 08/15/17 10:38:45 PM #14:	3rd_Best_Master posted... CountessRolab posted... Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that. It depends on the disability tbqh. This, but I think I might change my mind when I actually have a child. Seeing my child up close and making that decision would kill me. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:884854980] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.</quote> It depends on the disability tbqh.</quote> This, but I think I might change my mind when I actually have a child. Seeing my child up close and making that decision would kill me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 08/15/17 10:38:50 PM #15:	NeoShadowhen posted... Good god. You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis. Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it. 2/10 --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:884854985] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>NeoShadowhen posted...</cite> <quote>Good god. You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis. Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it.</quote> 2/10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMarthKoopa 08/15/17 10:39:24 PM #16:	Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead? <cite>TheMarthKoopa posted [p:884855019] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 08/15/17 10:39:57 PM #17:	Capn Circus posted... I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with. This. --- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/volcaitlin/gifs/dancning.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:884855051] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 08/15/17 10:40:06 PM #18:	Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:884855060] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 08/15/17 10:40:53 PM #19:	littlebro07 posted... Capn Circus posted... I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with. This. --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:884855115] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.</quote> This.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/15/17 10:40:59 PM #20:	To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:884855119] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xelltrix 08/15/17 10:41:12 PM #21:	I really didn't see that as bragging. --- Reading this post may induce one or more of the following: Nausea / Butt-Hurt / Lulz / UM? Syndrome / Angst / Diarrhea <cite>Xelltrix posted [p:884855137] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I really didn't see that as bragging.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 08/15/17 10:41:23 PM #22:	TheMarthKoopa posted... Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead? --- Drawn for me by \| Popcorn_Fairy: https://i.imgtc.com/cvSNxRT.jpg \| Volkswagen_Bros: http://i.imgur.com/86XOVXb.jpg \| ShinobiNinjaX: https://imgur.com/bPb5vEV <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:884855146] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMarthKoopa posted...</cite> <quote>Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 08/15/17 10:42:00 PM #23:	@Sativa_Rose posted... Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does. Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome --- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/volcaitlin/gifs/dancning.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:884855184] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.</quote> Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 08/15/17 10:42:30 PM #24:	I wouldnt want a child with down syndrome but i dont want to argue about it. Oh well, my daughters very healthy so.... --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:884855221] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I wouldnt want a child with down syndrome but i dont want to argue about it. Oh well, my daughters very healthy so....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 08/15/17 10:42:40 PM #25:	littlebro07 posted... @Sativa_Rose posted... Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does. Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:884855230] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.</quote> Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome</quote> I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
littlebro07 08/15/17 10:43:46 PM #26:	Sativa_Rose posted... littlebro07 posted... @Sativa_Rose posted... Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does. Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about Fair enough But we showed up on that map of important metro area in F8 of the Furious >_> --- http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb289/volcaitlin/gifs/dancning.gif <cite>littlebro07 posted [p:884855295] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>littlebro07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.</quote> Why Omaha Leave us alone We're fucking awesome</quote> I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about</quote> Fair enough But we showed up on that map of important metro area in F8 of the Furious >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:44:47 PM #27:	Capn Circus posted... To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE. Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884855357] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.</quote> Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NOM 08/15/17 10:44:51 PM #28:	I say let them abort if there's 100% certainty the child will be born with a debilitating disorder. I have two mentally and physically disabled siblings, and while I love them very much, they live very sad lives. Never leave home, can't even walk, are prone to outbursts, etc. They are literally trapped within their minds and bodies. I feel awful for them every day. And that's not even going into the burden it puts on the family, although it's not their fault at all. They didn't ask to be born like this. I would consider it child abuse if I allowed my unborn to come into this world with conditions such as that. That said, can't you live a pretty normal life with down syndrome? --- this just here so I ain't a smelly sigless user <cite>NOM posted [p:884855362] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I say let them abort if there's 100% certainty the child will be born with a debilitating disorder. I have two mentally and physically disabled siblings, and while I love them very much, they live very sad lives. Never leave home, can't even walk, are prone to outbursts, etc. They are literally trapped within their minds and bodies. I feel awful for them every day. And that's not even going into the burden it puts on the family, although it's not their fault at all. They didn't ask to be born like this. I would consider it child abuse if I allowed my unborn to come into this world with conditions such as that. That said, can't you live a pretty normal life with down syndrome?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VaultDwelIer 08/15/17 10:46:06 PM #29:	3rd_Best_Master posted... CountessRolab posted... Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that. It depends on the disability tbqh. would you be ok if you were born blind? --- https://psnprofiles.com/VaultDweller/log?order=rarity&rarity=ultra-rare&dir=asc <cite>VaultDwelIer posted [p:884855425] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>3rd_Best_Master posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.</quote> It depends on the disability tbqh.</quote> would you be ok if you were born blind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 08/15/17 10:47:49 PM #30:	That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not. --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:884855530] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:50:01 PM #31:	ToonLinkWithGun posted... That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not. 1. Downs affects more than just the person with the disorder. Literally families are torn apart over this shit. 2. I'm going to wager that more Downs sufferers are miserable than not. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884855668] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted...</cite> <quote>That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not.</quote> 1. Downs affects more than just the person with the disorder. Literally families are torn apart over this shit. 2. I'm going to wager that more Downs sufferers are miserable than not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 08/15/17 10:50:55 PM #32:	ChromaticAngel posted... Capn Circus posted... To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE. Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally? It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective. --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:884855719] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.</quote> Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?</quote> It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToonLinkWithGun 08/15/17 10:51:04 PM #33:	I'm going to wager you're wrong. --- Wombo Combo! http://i.imgur.com/fToefC5.jpg <cite>ToonLinkWithGun posted [p:884855726] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I'm going to wager you're wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:52:54 PM #34:	Capn Circus posted... But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. I've never asked Stephen Hawking's opinion on this personally, but having talked to similar people, while some of them do say they're glad to have experienced life, they also always say they'd understand why someone would abort a child with their disorder if they could. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884855840] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. </quote> I've never asked Stephen Hawking's opinion on this personally, but having talked to similar people, while some of them do say they're glad to have experienced life, they also always say they'd understand why someone would abort a child with their disorder if they could.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/15/17 10:52:54 PM #35:	Sativa_Rose posted... Not sure this is something to brag about. Who's bragging about it? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884855841] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure this is something to brag about.</quote> Who's bragging about it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 08/15/17 10:53:15 PM #36:	Capn Circus posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Capn Circus posted... To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE. Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally? It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective. Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo... --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:884855867] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Capn Circus posted...</cite> <quote>To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.</quote> Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?</quote> It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges. After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective.</quote> Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 08/15/17 10:55:38 PM #37:	My older brother is a high functioning autistic. Obviously you can't diagnose this during pregnancy, but I couldn't say what my choice would be if I knew my unborn kid had Down Syndrome. Yes, it makes your lives more difficult, but on the other hand, these types of difficulties end up giving you stories and a life you wouldn't change. These types of challenges, like being able to accommodate the disabled, I feel society needs to undergo to progress further. CountessRolab posted... Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that. Holy hell dude. This is a dangerous way of thinking. Crispr is coming and it's a guarantee that people will use it to make their daughters look like Kim Kardashian and their sons Michael Phelps, all with top tier intelligence and high metabolism. Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then? --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:884856008] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>My older brother is a high functioning autistic. Obviously you can't diagnose this during pregnancy, but I couldn't say what my choice would be if I knew my unborn kid had Down Syndrome. Yes, it makes your lives more difficult, but on the other hand, these types of difficulties end up giving you stories and a life you wouldn't change. These types of challenges, like being able to accommodate the disabled, I feel society needs to undergo to progress further. <cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.</quote> Holy hell dude. This is a dangerous way of thinking. Crispr is coming and it's a guarantee that people will use it to make their daughters look like Kim Kardashian and their sons Michael Phelps, all with top tier intelligence and high metabolism. Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:55:57 PM #38:	CountessRolab posted... Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo... ALS is degenerative. Everyone with it is born healthy and it fucks them up in their adult life. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884856025] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo...</quote> ALS is degenerative. Everyone with it is born healthy and it fucks them up in their adult life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 08/15/17 10:56:28 PM #39:	Sad_Face posted... Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then? Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it. --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:884856057] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote> Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?</quote> Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/15/17 10:56:37 PM #40:	This is horrible. There was a time where I was fully behind abortion with the justification of protecting a child from a difficult life, but I've met many people with Downs syndrome who work and live their lives. They didn't need to be rescued by being denied even a chance. In school we watched videos of inspirational speakers who were born with deformed limbs from amelia but they still want to live and be happy. After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:884856066] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>This is horrible. There was a time where I was fully behind abortion with the justification of protecting a child from a difficult life, but I've met many people with Downs syndrome who work and live their lives. They didn't need to be rescued by being denied even a chance. In school we watched videos of inspirational speakers who were born with deformed limbs from amelia but they still want to live and be happy. After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 08/15/17 10:57:16 PM #41:	Most animals eat or abandon their disabled young, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's a lot of precedence in life to not take on the vastly additional amount of energy required in caring for a disabled child. Particularly, because it doesn't end when they become adults --- http://i.imgur.com/gIoselB.gif https://i.imgur.com/p8iCfHF.jpg <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:884856103] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Most animals eat or abandon their disabled young, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's a lot of precedence in life to not take on the vastly additional amount of energy required in caring for a disabled child. Particularly, because it doesn't end when they become adults</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:57:25 PM #42:	CountessRolab posted... Sad_Face posted... Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then? Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it. not everything suboptimal is unethical. presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884856107] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote> Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?</quote> Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.</quote> not everything suboptimal is unethical. presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:58:26 PM #43:	ThePrinceFish posted... After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884856162] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.</quote> abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 08/15/17 10:58:54 PM #44:	ChromaticAngel posted... ThePrinceFish posted... After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child. Or they are unwilling to. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say, 'Golly gee, I can't do that." <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:884856191] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.</quote> abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.</quote> Or they are unwilling to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thrillwell 08/15/17 10:59:06 PM #45:	Life is never easy to begin with. Never easy. For those who chose abortion, their punishment is the cloud of doubt that will taunt them forevermore. As for me, no I can not protest, nor agree, but only thank God I haven't been in such a situation. Just wonder how many events like this have to happen before people ask, what have we become? --- Novus Ordo Seclorum <cite>Thrillwell posted [p:884856212] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>Life is never easy to begin with. Never easy. For those who chose abortion, their punishment is the cloud of doubt that will taunt them forevermore. As for me, no I can not protest, nor agree, but only thank God I haven't been in such a situation. Just wonder how many events like this have to happen before people ask, what have we become?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 10:59:37 PM #46:	ThePrinceFish posted... ChromaticAngel posted... ThePrinceFish posted... After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child. Or they are unwilling to. If they are unwilling to, then the baby is better off aborted. I've seen where that road leads and it's not pretty. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884856241] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.</quote> abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.</quote> Or they are unwilling to.</quote> If they are unwilling to, then the baby is better off aborted. I've seen where that road leads and it's not pretty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 08/15/17 11:00:25 PM #47:	ThePrinceFish posted... After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. Oh I don't doubt that. That's true in general even if you take down's syndrome out of the picture. At least in the US and other wealthy nations, it is rare for people to be actually starving or suffer from malnutrition unless their parents are meth addicts or something. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:884856281] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child. </quote> Oh I don't doubt that. That's true in general even if you take down's syndrome out of the picture. At least in the US and other wealthy nations, it is rare for people to be actually starving or suffer from malnutrition unless their parents are meth addicts or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CountessRolab 08/15/17 11:02:47 PM #48:	ChromaticAngel posted... CountessRolab posted... Sad_Face posted... Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then? Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it. not everything suboptimal is unethical. presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget. To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income. --- https://i.imgur.com/Ux7l21R.jpg <cite>CountessRolab posted [p:884856402] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sad_Face posted...</cite> <quote> Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?</quote> Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.</quote> not everything suboptimal is unethical. presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget.</quote> To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 08/15/17 11:04:03 PM #49:	CountessRolab posted... To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income. Well how do you define low-income? I mean, I wouldn't consider people making $150k low-income, but I doubt they will be able to afford a designer baby regardless. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:884856476] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote><cite>CountessRolab posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income.</quote> Well how do you define low-income? I mean, I wouldn't consider people making $150k low-income, but I doubt they will be able to afford a designer baby regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 08/15/17 11:04:18 PM #50:	I personally think that people should be able to abort the child for any reason. my opinion on those reasons is irrelevant, because I don't think they should be restricted that being said, I do know quite a few people with down syndrome who live what they perceive to be happy and fulfilling lives. I also recognize the toll their condition has taken on their family, even those who do readily accept any and all challenge but yes, if I were to have kids and my wife were to ask me my opinion, I would be all for aborting the child if it had certain birth defects (down syndrome being one of them). --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:884856501] in Iceland ap... [t:75675253]...</cite> <quote>I personally think that people should be able to abort the child for any reason. my opinion on those reasons is irrelevant, because I don't think they should be restricted that being said, I do know quite a few people with down syndrome who live what they perceive to be happy and fulfilling lives. I also recognize the toll their condition has taken on their family, even those who do readily accept any and all challenge but yes, if I were to have kids and my wife were to ask me my opinion, I would be all for aborting the child if it had certain birth defects (down syndrome being one of them).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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