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Would you abort you baby if it were disabled?


http://dailysignal.com/2017/08/15/iceland-aborting-nearly-babies-syndrome/
I mean, I won't abort anything because I can't get pregnant. but if I could, I wouldn't because I hate kids. But if I didn't hate kids and and could get pregnant and did, somehow, yes, I'd abort any obvious mental or physical deformities such that the child would have a severe handicap in life and make being a parent harder than it already is.
Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.
I mean...
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it's not a simple yes or no question tbh
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CountessRolab posted...
Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.

It depends on the disability tbqh.
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It really isn't as simple as yes or no, and it's an even more difficult conversation to have with your partner.
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no answer, i dont plan to have kids
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Pretty sad
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Good god.

You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis.

Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it.
I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.
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yes. it's pretty fucked up to bring a kid into the world who's just gonna suffer just so you can say you had a kid.
I mean, if you can abort for literally no reason, I don't see the problem.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
CountessRolab posted...
Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.

It depends on the disability tbqh.


This, but I think I might change my mind when I actually have a child. Seeing my child up close and making that decision would kill me.
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Good god.

You know who else killed everyone with Down syndrome? The nazis.

Yeah yeah yeah abortion isn't murder blah blah. Save it.

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Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead?
Capn Circus posted...
I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.


This.
Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.
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littlebro07 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
I'm not sure when it comes to Down-Syndrome. I've met a few people with Down-Syndrome who have personalities, preferences, opinions, and even a sense of humor. Many of them work, have purpose and lead happy lives. Certainly there are many challenges, but it can definitely be argued it is not the worst disability to be born with.


This.
To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.
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I really didn't see that as bragging.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Could you walk up to a person with down syndrome and tell them they'd be better off dead?
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@Sativa_Rose posted...
Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.


Why Omaha

Leave us alone

We're fucking awesome
I wouldnt want a child with down syndrome but i dont want to argue about it. Oh well, my daughters very healthy so....
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littlebro07 posted...
@Sativa_Rose posted...
Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.


Why Omaha

Leave us alone

We're fucking awesome


I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about
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Sativa_Rose posted...
littlebro07 posted...
@Sativa_Rose posted...
Not sure this is something to brag about. Also Iceland only has like 330,000 people, a population smaller than that of the city of Omaha, Nebraska. It gets way too much attention and credit for what it does.


Why Omaha

Leave us alone

We're fucking awesome


I just thought of a random medium sized city that people (who live outside of that area at least) don't hear much about


Fair enough

But we showed up on that map of important metro area in F8 of the Furious >_>
Capn Circus posted...
To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.


Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?
I say let them abort if there's 100% certainty the child will be born with a debilitating disorder. I have two mentally and physically disabled siblings, and while I love them very much, they live very sad lives. Never leave home, can't even walk, are prone to outbursts, etc. They are literally trapped within their minds and bodies. I feel awful for them every day. And that's not even going into the burden it puts on the family, although it's not their fault at all. They didn't ask to be born like this.

I would consider it child abuse if I allowed my unborn to come into this world with conditions such as that.

That said, can't you live a pretty normal life with down syndrome?
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
CountessRolab posted...
Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.

It depends on the disability tbqh.



would you be ok if you were born blind?
That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not.
ToonLinkWithGun posted...
That's fucked up. We live in a world where people want perfection and if THEY don't get it someone else has to die. You can't tell me all people with downs are miserable because they are not.


1. Downs affects more than just the person with the disorder. Literally families are torn apart over this shit.

2. I'm going to wager that more Downs sufferers are miserable than not.
ChromaticAngel posted...
Capn Circus posted...
To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.


Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?


It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges.

After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective.
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I'm going to wager you're wrong.
Capn Circus posted...
But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges.

I've never asked Stephen Hawking's opinion on this personally, but having talked to similar people, while some of them do say they're glad to have experienced life, they also always say they'd understand why someone would abort a child with their disorder if they could.
Sativa_Rose posted...
Not sure this is something to brag about.


Who's bragging about it?
Capn Circus posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
Capn Circus posted...
To be completely honest, I would say there are some people living with Down-Syndrome that live more productive, successful, and purposeful lives than some people on CE.


Sure and there are a couple of dudes with ALS that live more productive lives than everyone on CE combined (Lou Gehrig, Steven Hawking), but why would you inflict a life of ALS on someone intentionally?


It's definitely a tough subject. But I would ask people such as Stephen Hawking if they wish they had never been born. I'm sure many of them would say they are glad to be alive and experience life, despite their worldly challenges.

After all, there's plenty of body and mentally abled people who wish they were never born. Pain, suffering, limitations and disability can be subjective.


Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo...
My older brother is a high functioning autistic. Obviously you can't diagnose this during pregnancy, but I couldn't say what my choice would be if I knew my unborn kid had Down Syndrome. Yes, it makes your lives more difficult, but on the other hand, these types of difficulties end up giving you stories and a life you wouldn't change. These types of challenges, like being able to accommodate the disabled, I feel society needs to undergo to progress further.

CountessRolab posted...
Personally, I think it is unethical to let a child be born disabled. Nobody should be forced to live like that.


Holy hell dude. This is a dangerous way of thinking.

Crispr is coming and it's a guarantee that people will use it to make their daughters look like Kim Kardashian and their sons Michael Phelps, all with top tier intelligence and high metabolism. Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?
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CountessRolab posted...
Stephen Hawking was born healthy sooooo...

ALS is degenerative. Everyone with it is born healthy and it fucks them up in their adult life.
Sad_Face posted...
Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?


Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.
This is horrible. There was a time where I was fully behind abortion with the justification of protecting a child from a difficult life, but I've met many people with Downs syndrome who work and live their lives. They didn't need to be rescued by being denied even a chance. In school we watched videos of inspirational speakers who were born with deformed limbs from amelia but they still want to live and be happy.

After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.
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Most animals eat or abandon their disabled young, so I'm gonna go ahead and say that there's a lot of precedence in life to not take on the vastly additional amount of energy required in caring for a disabled child. Particularly, because it doesn't end when they become adults
CountessRolab posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?


Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.


not everything suboptimal is unethical.
presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget.
ThePrinceFish posted...
After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.

abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.
ChromaticAngel posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.

abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.

Or they are unwilling to.
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Never easy.
For those who chose abortion, their punishment is the cloud of doubt that will taunt them forevermore.

As for me, no I can not protest, nor agree, but only thank God I haven't been in such a situation.

Just wonder how many events like this have to happen before people ask, what have we become?
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ThePrinceFish posted...
ChromaticAngel posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.

abortions are done because the parents cannot protect the child.

Or they are unwilling to.

If they are unwilling to, then the baby is better off aborted. I've seen where that road leads and it's not pretty.
ThePrinceFish posted...
After that I came to the conclusion that most abortions are done to protect the parents, not the child.


Oh I don't doubt that. That's true in general even if you take down's syndrome out of the picture. At least in the US and other wealthy nations, it is rare for people to be actually starving or suffer from malnutrition unless their parents are meth addicts or something.
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ChromaticAngel posted...
CountessRolab posted...
Sad_Face posted...
Is it going to be unethical to not have a designer baby then?


Yes, absolutely. If the technology is available, you are a fool not to use it.


not everything suboptimal is unethical.
presumably designer babies won't be free. someone isn't unethical for deciding it won't fit into their budget.


To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income.
CountessRolab posted...
To be fair, I also think it is unethical to have a child if you are low-income.

Well how do you define low-income?

I mean, I wouldn't consider people making $150k low-income, but I doubt they will be able to afford a designer baby regardless.
I personally think that people should be able to abort the child for any reason. my opinion on those reasons is irrelevant, because I don't think they should be restricted

that being said, I do know quite a few people with down syndrome who live what they perceive to be happy and fulfilling lives. I also recognize the toll their condition has taken on their family, even those who do readily accept any and all challenge
but yes, if I were to have kids and my wife were to ask me my opinion, I would be all for aborting the child if it had certain birth defects (down syndrome being one of them).
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