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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:43:17 PM
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"When you say alt-right, define it for me. Come on, let's go. Define alt-right. What about the alt-LEFT that came charging at, as you say, the 'alt-right'? Do they have any semblance of guilt? Let me ask you this, what about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands? Do they have any sort of problem, I think they do. As far as I'm concerned, that was a horrible, horrible day -- wait a minute, I'm not finished, fake news!!! -- that was a horrible day. I will tell you something. I watched this very closely, much more closely than you people watched it, and you had a group of one side that was bad and a group on the other side that was also VERY violent and no one wants to say that, but I'll say it right now. You had a group that came charging in without a permit, and they were very violent."

jesus fucking christ

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/897553785890852864
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ChromaticAngel
08/15/17 4:44:08 PM
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Video of this? Seems really stupid even for Trump
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DarthAragorn
08/15/17 4:45:08 PM
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he isn't wrong

obviously one side is worse but that doesn't mean the other did nothing wrong
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:47:31 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
he isn't wrong

obviously one side is worse but that doesn't mean the other did nothing wrong

"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis, especially when one of them mowed down this "alt-left" in a car.
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littlebro07
08/15/17 4:47:59 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
jesus fucking christ


This

But also

ChromaticAngel posted...
Video of this? Seems really stupid even for Trump


This
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:48:15 PM
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ThePrinceFish
08/15/17 4:49:15 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.
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Fill_Kessel
08/15/17 4:50:16 PM
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He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.
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UnfairRepresent
08/15/17 4:50:49 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.

Not if they don't murder people they are not
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:50:52 PM
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Stormfront is going to have a fucking field day.

Trump's initial response was to draw an equivalency between the protesters and the Neo-Nazis, which we know they considered a win. Then he came out and offered a condemnation of them 48 hours later, but within 24 hours after that, came back to their defense and said the protesters were just as bad once again.

This is unbelievable.
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DarthAragorn
08/15/17 4:50:53 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.

the fuck
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BLAKUboy
08/15/17 4:51:34 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
he isn't wrong

The "alt-left" isn't a thing, for one thing.
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FrisbeeDude
08/15/17 4:52:43 PM
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Probably got a call from Duke and the boys. He knows who he caters to
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:53:03 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.

I'm gonna say no.

They are bad. People who do that are bad. Won't argue. But they are showing up with an inappropriate, violent reaction to Nazis and Klansmen who have spent decades upon decades making it abundantly clear that they want them dead or removed from the country.

"Who started it" is a childish argument to an extent, but when we are talking about a group of angry white supremacists marching with swastikas, beating a black man within an inch of his life with poles, and mowing down opposition in a car, I'm really not interested in "the people protesting them are just as bad."
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Fill_Kessel
08/15/17 4:54:16 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.

the fuck

Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.
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NeoShadowhen
08/15/17 4:55:27 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.

Not if they don't murder people they are not


So they're not as bad as one guy?

Don't worry though. Continuing to ignore the danger of the escalating violence, and many peoples refusal to do anything but romanticize the violence of one side will certainly lead to more deaths.
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NinjaWarrior455
08/15/17 4:55:52 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
Video

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/897553785890852864

Yeesh. This is even worse than his non-response.
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DarthAragorn
08/15/17 4:56:14 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.

the fuck

Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.

because this isn't the holocaust, not the same nazis, and she wasn't targeted because of her race, religion, disability, etc
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myztikrice
08/15/17 4:56:54 PM
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That was not a "!!!"-worthy fake news comment
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ThePrinceFish
08/15/17 4:57:03 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.

I'm gonna say no.

They are bad. People who do that are bad. Won't argue. But they are showing up with an inappropriate, violent reaction to Nazis and Klansmen who have spent decades upon decades making it abundantly clear that they want them dead or removed from the country.

"Who started it" is a childish argument to an extent, but when we are talking about a group of angry white supremacists marching with swastikas, beating a black man within an inch of his life with poles, and mowing down opposition in a car, I'm really not interested in "the people protesting them are just as bad."

Nobody is arguing over who sparked the violence in Charlottesville, but it's ridiculous to ignore that people on both sides showed up ready for a fight. That kind of political violence needs to stop. That kind of violence should be unequivocally condemned right alongside the condemnation of white nationalism. There were fascists fighting fascists out there and Trump acknowledged that, but the way the media portrayed Charlottesville, you'd think the nazis started attacking the peaceful crowd that showed up to protest their disgusting views when that's not the case.

There were two sides of violence to condemn on Saturday alongside the scummy views of the nazis who were also a problem.
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NibeIungsnarf
08/15/17 4:57:06 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.

the fuck

Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.

Found the dumber comment than Trump's press conference.
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CableZL
08/15/17 4:57:14 PM
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Fill_Kessel
08/15/17 4:57:35 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Fill_Kessel posted...
He must be wrong as he is Donald Trump and not a member of the tolerant alt-left. They didn't do anything wrong and of the tolerant alt-left had not been there defending their right to protest against other people's right to protest, then this national conversation might not be happening.

An innocent person was lost to this, and I think it would be appropriate to add her name to holocaust memorials. The ugly monster of white supremacy is rearing its head.

the fuck

Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.

because this isn't the holocaust, not the same nazis, and she wasn't targeted because of her race, religion, disability, etc

Or political ideology...
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 4:57:47 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.

She deserves to be memorialized, but she wasn't killed in the Holocaust, so I wouldn't memorialize her as such.
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
08/15/17 4:58:19 PM
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Why the fuck is violence condemnable for one side and not the other? Besides it's not like all the neo-nazis got together and planned the car assault. Both side equally fought and acted like the human garbage they are. Was only a matter of time before someone ended up dead. Doubt the reaction would be the same if it was the other side.
Let's not forget that last year the alt left murder some Dallas police officers and Obama blamed fucking guns. Shocker.
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WizardPowers
08/15/17 4:58:23 PM
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How did you Americans let this guy get elected?

You all should be so embarrassed every single day of his 4 years. Jesus Christ
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3rd_Best_Master
08/15/17 4:59:24 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Why the f*** is violence condemnable for one side and not the other? Besides it's not like all the neo-nazis got together and planned the car assault. Both side equally fought and acted like the human garbage they are. Was only a matter of time before someone ended up dead. Doubt the reaction would be the same if it was the other side.
Let's not forget that last year the alt left murder some Dallas police officers and Obama blamed f***ing guns. Shocker.

Jfc what a post.
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dj4242
08/15/17 5:00:09 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
he isn't wrong

obviously one side is worse but that doesn't mean the other did nothing wrong


this
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DifferentialEquation
08/15/17 5:00:35 PM
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Fill_Kessel posted...
Literally killed by Nazis... Try to defend not putting her name next to the other victims.


If someone today was killed by Al Qaeda would you want to add their name to a 9/11 memorial?
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pinky0926
08/15/17 5:01:18 PM
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I blame this orange fuck for much of the emboldening of white supremacists in the world right now. But perhaps that's a chicken egg argument.
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chill02
08/15/17 5:01:59 PM
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WizardPowers posted...
How did you Americans let this guy get elected?

You all should be so embarrassed every single day of his 4 years. Jesus Christ


don't blame me, I didn't vote for him >_>
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luigi13579
08/15/17 5:02:09 PM
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He's been watching too much Fox News.
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Fill_Kessel
08/15/17 5:04:13 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
Why the fuck is violence condemnable for one side and not the other? Besides it's not like all the neo-nazis got together and planned the car assault. Both side equally fought and acted like the human garbage they are. Was only a matter of time before someone ended up dead. Doubt the reaction would be the same if it was the other side.
Let's not forget that last year the alt left murder some Dallas police officers and Obama blamed fucking guns. Shocker.

The difference is that the violent alt right who were peacefully demonstrating are ideologically violent even if they weren't actually being violent and the tolerant alt-left are right.
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BlackHorse6969
08/15/17 5:05:07 PM
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i love daddy trump. he is a true parent
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Ray_Dorset
08/15/17 5:06:49 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.


They're definitely not as bad as the side that resorted to terrorism
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--kresnik--
08/15/17 5:07:21 PM
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Fact:

The media needs to show antifa in the same negative light.
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 5:07:40 PM
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The people saying "obviously the Nazis are worse, but the people who showed up with bats ready for a fight were also bad" aren't wrong, but I'd assert they're missing the point.

If Trump had come out with some massive, powerful, scathing condemnation of white supremacy and Nazi/Klan imagery and said he is disgusted that they use his name, then went on to say something about trying to handle things as peacefully as possible and not trying to meet hatred with violence, that'd be a whole other thing. Still a debate to be had, but I'd respect that a lot more.

Trump's attitude, outside of the forced condemnation 48 hours late that he then immediately basically admitted was forced out of him on Twitter, has been "they are just as bad." He has elevated the status of the people who showed up to protest against Klansmen and Nazis to being "just as bad" as Klansmen and Nazis. That's despicable, ESPECIALLY in light of the beatings and the terror attack from the supremacists in this event.
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pinky0926
08/15/17 5:11:32 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
The people saying "obviously the Nazis are worse, but the people who showed up with bats ready for a fight were also bad" aren't wrong, but I'd assert they're missing the point.

If Trump had come out with some massive, powerful, scathing condemnation of white supremacy and Nazi/Klan imagery and said he is disgusted that they use his name, then went on to say something about trying to handle things as peacefully as possible and not trying to meet hatred with violence, that'd be a whole other thing. Still a debate to be had, but I'd respect that a lot more.

Trump's attitude, outside of the forced condemnation 48 hours that he then immediately basically admitted was forced out of him on Twitter, has been "they are just as bad." He has elevated the status of the people who showed up to protest against Klansmen and Nazis to being "just as bad" as Klansmen and Nazis. That's despicable, ESPECIALLY in light of the beatings and the terror attack from the supremacists in this event.


It's fucking crazy that so many don't understand this.
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littlebro07
08/15/17 5:12:35 PM
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CableZL posted...
It shouldn't be a real quote

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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
08/15/17 5:13:39 PM
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Blackstar110 posted...
The people saying "obviously the Nazis are worse, but the people who showed up with bats ready for a fight were also bad" aren't wrong, but I'd assert they're missing the point.

If Trump had come out with some massive, powerful, scathing condemnation of white supremacy and Nazi/Klan imagery and said he is disgusted that they use his name, then went on to say something about trying to handle things as peacefully as possible and not trying to meet hatred with violence, that'd be a whole other thing. Still a debate to be had, but I'd respect that a lot more.

Trump's attitude, outside of the forced condemnation 48 hours late that he then immediately basically admitted was forced out of him on Twitter, has been "they are just as bad." He has elevated the status of the people who showed up to protest against Klansmen and Nazis to being "just as bad" as Klansmen and Nazis. That's despicable, ESPECIALLY in light of the beatings and the terror attack from the supremacists in this event.

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NeoShadowhen
08/15/17 5:13:50 PM
#42:


Ray_Dorset posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
"Doing nothing wrong" is not a requirement for avoiding being compared to Neo Nazis

Dipshits who show up to political events with bats to violently confront the other side are literally just as bad as shithead white supremacists.


They're definitely not as bad as the side that resorted to terrorism


But you do admit they are both bad?
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 5:15:21 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
The people saying "obviously the Nazis are worse, but the people who showed up with bats ready for a fight were also bad" aren't wrong, but I'd assert they're missing the point.

If Trump had come out with some massive, powerful, scathing condemnation of white supremacy and Nazi/Klan imagery and said he is disgusted that they use his name, then went on to say something about trying to handle things as peacefully as possible and not trying to meet hatred with violence, that'd be a whole other thing. Still a debate to be had, but I'd respect that a lot more.

Trump's attitude, outside of the forced condemnation 48 hours that he then immediately basically admitted was forced out of him on Twitter, has been "they are just as bad." He has elevated the status of the people who showed up to protest against Klansmen and Nazis to being "just as bad" as Klansmen and Nazis. That's despicable, ESPECIALLY in light of the beatings and the terror attack from the supremacists in this event.


It's fucking crazy that so many don't understand this.

People are in such a hurry to both-sides the issue. It's, on a much grander scale, a bit like if someone aggressively tried to run my car off the road and I responded by tailing them and swearing at them. Yes, I'm handling it poorly, but did that guy not just try to kill me?
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UnfairRepresent
08/15/17 5:15:28 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Blackstar110 posted...
The people saying "obviously the Nazis are worse, but the people who showed up with bats ready for a fight were also bad" aren't wrong, but I'd assert they're missing the point.

If Trump had come out with some massive, powerful, scathing condemnation of white supremacy and Nazi/Klan imagery and said he is disgusted that they use his name, then went on to say something about trying to handle things as peacefully as possible and not trying to meet hatred with violence, that'd be a whole other thing. Still a debate to be had, but I'd respect that a lot more.

Trump's attitude, outside of the forced condemnation 48 hours that he then immediately basically admitted was forced out of him on Twitter, has been "they are just as bad." He has elevated the status of the people who showed up to protest against Klansmen and Nazis to being "just as bad" as Klansmen and Nazis. That's despicable, ESPECIALLY in light of the beatings and the terror attack from the supremacists in this event.


It's fucking crazy that so many don't understand this.

Oh they understand

They just pretend not to solely so they can argue
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Glass_Phantom
08/15/17 5:16:17 PM
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I cannot believe how disgustingly awful this president is
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BillWardsPants
08/15/17 5:16:37 PM
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Baseball Bats of Love and Tolerance.
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pinky0926
08/15/17 5:19:58 PM
#47:


Blackstar110 posted...

People are in such a hurry to both-sides the issue. It's, on a much grander scale, a bit like if someone aggressively tried to run my car off the road and I responded by tailing them and swearing at them. Yes, I'm handling it poorly, but did that guy not just try to kill me?


I'd say it's more like that guy is a known psycho who has been writing his manifesto of how he wants to commit as many hit-and-runs as he can, and attends hit-and-run seminars, and writes on his blog and his forums about how running people's cars off the road is the right and honorable thing to do, and then when he goes and actually does it and you're there ready to punch the fucker, THEN someone says "woah Blackstar, you're as bad as he is"
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 5:22:20 PM
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Put more simply, I just cannot believe I live in an America where there's a Nazi/Klan rally where they beat a black man and kill a woman, and a large part of the response was "the people who showed up pissed and ready to fight were bad too!"

For fuck's sake people

Nazis

They were flying swastikas, chanting "fuck you, f*****s" and "blood and soil", talking about taking America back from the Jews

They killed a woman

Can we JUST be rightfully alarmed by this?!
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lilJoe457
08/15/17 5:24:29 PM
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Good. He's right. The white supremacists are awful. The antifa are just as bad. I say let all these hateful fucks kill themselves.

See they label these people alt right. So when they label any non establishment news alt right they'll associate it with racist people. Man y'all get played like fucking fiddles it's funny.
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3rd_Best_Master
08/15/17 5:25:53 PM
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lilJoe457 posted...
Good. He's right. The white supremacists are awful. The antifa are just as bad. I say let all these hateful f***s kill themselves.

See they label these people alt right. So when they label any non establishment news alt right they'll associate it with racist people. Man y'all get played like f***ing fiddles it's funny.

What a world where murder is the same thing as calling someone a Nazi.
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Blackstar110
08/15/17 5:26:27 PM
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lilJoe457 posted...
Good. He's right. The white supremacists are awful. The antifa are just as bad. I say let all these hateful fucks kill themselves.

See they label these people alt right. So when they label any non establishment news alt right they'll associate it with racist people. Man y'all get played like fucking fiddles it's funny.

You realize Richard Spencer, neo-nazi, came up with the term alt right?
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