Current Events > Can someone explain what makes liberals so bad?

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genuinely curious.
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willingness to compromise with fascists
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trick question, liberals are good.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

trick question, liberals are good.

there's gotta be bad ones along with good ones just like with every faction.
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They seem to be very violent and intolerant these days. Which is very ironic.
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ShotOJameson posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

trick question, liberals are good.

there's gotta be bad ones along with good ones just like with every faction.

sure, but in that case the question should be "what makes some liberals so bad". omitting the word "some" makes it sound like you think all liberals are bad, which is objectively false.
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Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

willingness to compromise with fascists

I've only seen this from extremists on websites like Tumblr and Twitter. I just don't know that I believe that your average liberal compromises with fascists.

This is like saying that every conservative is a Nazi and it's just not true.

the essence of liberalism is compromise, which is sometimes a good thing. but they tend to think that society's moral compass, which favours the oppressor, is neutral, leading to an increased willingness to listen to listen to points of view that don't deserve it.

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that
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ShotOJameson posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

trick question, liberals are good.

there's gotta be bad ones along with good ones just like with every faction.

bad liberals are vastly outnumbered by bad conservatives, and the worst of the conservatives are far worse than the worst liberal.

It's fucking ridiculous that you can put Pol Pot and Hitler next to each other and anyone who knows a lick of history will easily be able to tell you that Hitler was significantly worse than Pol Pot without a contest

But if you repeat the experiment with Neo-Nazis and Antifa suddenly everyone is all "waaahhh both sides are equally sucky."
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They're anti-free speech and the women are pro-that haircut style where they buzz half of their head
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Asherlee10 posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

trick question, liberals are good.

there's gotta be bad ones along with good ones just like with every faction.

Personally, I think the liberal stance on firearms is not based on facts, but on feelings.

this is accurate - liberals often favour treating a symptom rather than the root cause

if guns are removed, yes, there will likely be less gun violence, but other crimes will become more common.

it's now well-established that the main cause of crime is poverty. if you address poverty in a meaningful way, crime rates, including gun-related crimes, will fall
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averagejoel posted...

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

No it isn't. Whether or not they favor polices that hurt the vulnerable is besides the point. A lot simply think that government shouldn't be involved in nearly as many things as it is. That's quite a leap to equate that to fascism.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

trick question, liberals are good.

there's gotta be bad ones along with good ones just like with every faction.

bad liberals are vastly outnumbered by bad conservatives, and the worst of the conservatives are far worse than the worst liberal.

It's fucking ridiculous that you can put Pol Pot and Hitler next to each other and anyone who knows a lick of history will easily be able to tell you that Hitler was significantly worse than Pol Pot without a contest

But if you repeat the experiment with Neo-Nazis and Antifa suddenly everyone is all "waaahhh both sides are equally sucky."

Hitler wasn't a conservative. And Stalin was worse than him if not Pol Pot.
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Gojak_v3 posted...

averagejoel posted...

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

No it isn't. Whether or not they favor polices that hurt the vulnerable is besides the point. A lot simply think that government shouldn't be involved in nearly as many things as it is. That's quite a leap to equate that to fascism.

"Small government" has historically proven itself to be code speak for "lets only get rid of laws that make racism illegal"
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MakoReizei posted...

Hitler wasn't a conservative. And Stalin was worse than him if not Pol Pot.

1. Stalin isn't part of this discussion
2. Hitler was a conservative
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Skin so thin it deteriorates if sneezed upon.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

They're anti-free speech

really? Liberals are anti free speech?
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a liberal is a person that is devoid of any kind of independent thought that has not been manufactured and sold to them by the democratic party, corporations, etc.

they preach progress and change but usually it's progress that the government/corporations/etc have become prepared for, they preach tolerance but only against those in their in-group, they preach understanding but only know what is shown to them, etc.

but worst of all is the smugness that accompanies a liberal, as they believe they are members of the Educated Enlightened Party, and that they are on the Right Side of History, and any political statement they make is a self serving act to not necessarily make the world a better place, but make them feel better about themselves as things go to shit
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ChromaticAngel posted...

MakoReizei posted...

Hitler wasn't a conservative. And Stalin was worse than him if not Pol Pot.

1. Stalin isn't part of this discussion
2. Hitler was a conservative

1. Neither was Hitler until you brought him up for no reason.

2. No he wasn't.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Skin so thin it deteriorates if sneezed upon.

so do you think libs are responsible for the overly sensitive politically correct landscape in today's society?

I'm not so sure about that
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

averagejoel posted...

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

No it isn't. Whether or not they favor polices that hurt the vulnerable is besides the point. A lot simply think that government shouldn't be involved in nearly as many things as it is. That's quite a leap to equate that to fascism.

"Small government" has historically proven itself to be code speak for "lets only get rid of laws that make racism illegal"

What the hell? Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

willingness to compromise with fascists

I've only seen this from extremists on websites like Tumblr and Twitter. I just don't know that I believe that your average liberal compromises with fascists.

This is like saying that every conservative is a Nazi and it's just not true.

the essence of liberalism is compromise, which is sometimes a good thing. but they tend to think that society's moral compass, which favours the oppressor, is neutral, leading to an increased willingness to listen to listen to points of view that don't deserve it.

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

I think what you are referencing would be fringe party members. Extremists on either side of the fence. I'm under the belief that most people fall somewhere in the moderate range. Slightly left of center and slightly right of center.

What we are seeing today is too much identity politics which doesn't allow for moderate views.

conservative policies always benefit the powerful and hurt the vulnerable. the only question is to what extent

one problem in the US is the lack of a mainstream left-wing option

the Democrats are right, the Republicans are extreme right, and no 3rd party really hat a chance
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Romulox28 posted...

a liberal is a person that is devoid of any kind of independent thought that has not been manufactured and sold to them by the democratic party, corporations, etc.

they preach progress and change but usually it's progress that the government/corporations/etc have become prepared for, they preach tolerance but only against those in their in-group, they preach understanding but only know what is shown to them, etc.

but worst of all is the smugness that accompanies a liberal, as they believe they are members of the Educated Enlightened Party, and that they are on the Right Side of History, and any political statement they make is a self serving act to not necessarily make the world a better place, but make them feel better about themselves as things go to shit

Aren't you such a tolerant and accepting person and totally not the type to stereotype others based on your perception.
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MakoReizei posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

averagejoel posted...

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

No it isn't. Whether or not they favor polices that hurt the vulnerable is besides the point. A lot simply think that government shouldn't be involved in nearly as many things as it is. That's quite a leap to equate that to fascism.

"Small government" has historically proven itself to be code speak for "lets only get rid of laws that make racism illegal"

What the hell? Where are you getting this nonsense from?

All of history
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

a liberal is a person that is devoid of any kind of independent thought that has not been manufactured and sold to them by the democratic party, corporations, etc.

they preach progress and change but usually it's progress that the government/corporations/etc have become prepared for, they preach tolerance but only against those in their in-group, they preach understanding but only know what is shown to them, etc.

but worst of all is the smugness that accompanies a liberal, as they believe they are members of the Educated Enlightened Party, and that they are on the Right Side of History, and any political statement they make is a self serving act to not necessarily make the world a better place, but make them feel better about themselves as things go to shit

Aren't you such a tolerant and accepting person and totally not the type to stereotype others based on your perception.

i mean this topic is asking what's wrong with a stereotypical group of people lol
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GOATTHlEF posted...

averagejoel posted...

unwillingness to compromise with fascists

ftfy

what
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ChromaticAngel posted...

MakoReizei posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Gojak_v3 posted...

averagejoel posted...

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

No it isn't. Whether or not they favor polices that hurt the vulnerable is besides the point. A lot simply think that government shouldn't be involved in nearly as many things as it is. That's quite a leap to equate that to fascism.

"Small government" has historically proven itself to be code speak for "lets only get rid of laws that make racism illegal"

What the hell? Where are you getting this nonsense from?

All of history

Your history is distorted then.
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Romulox28 posted...

a liberal is a person that is devoid of any kind of independent thought that has not been manufactured and sold to them

Really? I always thought of liberals as progressive, free, and independent thinkers...
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There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

People want to attack a symbol. People on the right lump all liberals in with groups like Antifa and BLM. People on the left lump all conservatives in with groups like the alt-right and the KKK. They then attack the most extreme wackos and claim that the entire side is aligned with them.

It's identity politics in the worst form.
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Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

averagejoel posted...

willingness to compromise with fascists

I've only seen this from extremists on websites like Tumblr and Twitter. I just don't know that I believe that your average liberal compromises with fascists.

This is like saying that every conservative is a Nazi and it's just not true.

the essence of liberalism is compromise, which is sometimes a good thing. but they tend to think that society's moral compass, which favours the oppressor, is neutral, leading to an increased willingness to listen to listen to points of view that don't deserve it.

sure, not all conservatives are nazis. but all conservatives favour policies that hurt the already vulnerable. fascism is just the logical conclusion of that

I think what you are referencing would be fringe party members. Extremists on either side of the fence. I'm under the belief that most people fall somewhere in the moderate range. Slightly left of center and slightly right of center.

What we are seeing today is too much identity politics which doesn't allow for moderate views.

conservative policies always benefit the powerful and hurt the vulnerable. the only question is to what extent

one problem in the US is the lack of a mainstream left-wing option

the Democrats are right, the Republicans are extreme right, and no 3rd party really hat a chance

You might be correct. I think it is just a matter of perspective.

oh, and as for "moderates", Martin Luther King addressed that very well:

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html
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They want to change things and change is hard.
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They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

They tend to be young people with no life experience who haven't learned everything has a cost.

And "modern liberals" are incapable of debating their stances so they just sling insults until they feel like they won some moral victory.

Both sides are in general more concerned with showing the other guy wrong than why they are right
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Most of the time I disagree with liberals it's because they try to care (or pretend to try to care) about every individual with the most severe circumstances. I'm for gay marriage, I'm for transgender people not being bullied, but once it got down to "why can't every place have a bathroom for transgender people" I stopped giving a fuck. Or "why can't we add several pronouns to include people who are gender fluid?". Or "how can a blind, handicapped, native american person eat at this small-town restaurant if they don't have a ramp or service dogs available?"

Not everyone can be helped in every situation. It's an unfortunate reality of life. Those people are going to have to find ways to adjust to society instead of expecting society to adjust to them at every turn.

I Like Toast posted...

They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

This too. When a discussion devolves into privilege, I think "well it's hard for everybody out here, and I'm definitely not giving up any of my privilege to help you."
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Nomadic View posted...

There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

People want to attack a symbol. People on the right lump all liberals in with groups like Antifa and BLM. People on the left lump all conservatives in with groups like the alt-right and the KKK. They then attack the most extreme wackos and claim that the entire side is aligned with them.

It's identity politics in the worst form.

don't equate antifa and BLM with the alt-right and the KKK. it's extremely disingenuous
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Nomadic View posted...

There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

People want to attack a symbol. People on the right lump all liberals in with groups like Antifa and BLM. People on the left lump all conservatives in with groups like the alt-right and the KKK. They then attack the most extreme wackos and claim that the entire side is aligned with them.

It's identity politics in the worst form.

I see

so everyone just sees the extreme/radical side of each party (idiots) and lumps them in with everyone else that affiliates themselves with that party, and dismisses the the actual good things that they are trying to stand for. Got it.
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i think we are all using the word liberal to define different groups lol
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averagejoel posted...

don't equate antifa and BLM with the alt-right and the KKK. it's extremely disingenuous

why not? they;re all cut from the same cloth.

I'm pro liberal btw.
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ShotOJameson posted...

Nomadic View posted...

There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

People want to attack a symbol. People on the right lump all liberals in with groups like Antifa and BLM. People on the left lump all conservatives in with groups like the alt-right and the KKK. They then attack the most extreme wackos and claim that the entire side is aligned with them.

It's identity politics in the worst form.

I see

so everyone just sees the extreme/radical side of each party (idiots) and lumps them in with everyone else that affiliates themselves with that party, and dismisses the the actual good things that they are trying to stand for. Got it.

Essentially, yeah. A lot of people that are deeply dug into their flavor of identity politics absolutely does that.
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ShotOJameson posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

They're anti-free speech

really? Liberals are anti free speech?

Yes. Most liberals are the ones who refuse to hear anything that goes even slightly against their beliefs
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That_Happened posted...

Most of the time I disagree with liberals it's because they try to care (or pretend to try to care) about every individual with the most severe circumstances. I'm for gay marriage, I'm for transgender people not being bullied, but once it got down to "why can't every place have a bathroom for transgender people" I stopped giving a fuck. Or "why can't we add several pronouns to include people who are gender fluid?". Or "how can a blind, handicapped, native american person eat at this small-town restaurant if they don't have a ramp or service dogs available?"

Not everyone can be helped in every situation. It's an unfortunate reality of life. Those people are going to have to find ways to adjust to society instead of expecting society to adjust to them at every turn.

I Like Toast posted...

They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

This too. When a discussion devolves into privilege, I think "well it's hard for everybody out here, and I'm definitely not giving up any of my privilege to help you."

Would you say Liberals are selfish or selfless?
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Romulox28 posted...

i think we are all using the word liberal to define different groups lol

In America, it seems to be pretty much "anyone left of the (usual) Democrats".

Elsewhere in the world, the "classical liberal" definition is more common I think.

So https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism basically

ShotOJameson posted...

That_Happened posted...

Most of the time I disagree with liberals it's because they try to care (or pretend to try to care) about every individual with the most severe circumstances. I'm for gay marriage, I'm for transgender people not being bullied, but once it got down to "why can't every place have a bathroom for transgender people" I stopped giving a fuck. Or "why can't we add several pronouns to include people who are gender fluid?". Or "how can a blind, handicapped, native american person eat at this small-town restaurant if they don't have a ramp or service dogs available?"

Not everyone can be helped in every situation. It's an unfortunate reality of life. Those people are going to have to find ways to adjust to society instead of expecting society to adjust to them at every turn.

I Like Toast posted...

They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

This too. When a discussion devolves into privilege, I think "well it's hard for everybody out here, and I'm definitely not giving up any of my privilege to help you."

Would you say Liberals are selfish or selfless?

Selfless for selfish reasons
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