Current Events > Can someone explain what makes liberals so bad?

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MakoReizei posted...

averagejoel posted...
don't equate antifa and BLM with the alt-right and the KKK. it's extremely disingenuous

why not? they;re all cut from the same cloth.

lol

MakoReizei posted...

averagejoel posted...

don't equate antifa and BLM with the alt-right and the KKK. it's extremely disingenuous

why not? they;re all cut from the same cloth.

I'm pro liberal btw.

you have a history of not listening to a single thing i say on here, so I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you what should be an extremely basic concept
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Muffinz0rz posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

That_Happened posted...

Most of the time I disagree with liberals it's because they try to care (or pretend to try to care) about every individual with the most severe circumstances. I'm for gay marriage, I'm for transgender people not being bullied, but once it got down to "why can't every place have a bathroom for transgender people" I stopped giving a fuck. Or "why can't we add several pronouns to include people who are gender fluid?". Or "how can a blind, handicapped, native american person eat at this small-town restaurant if they don't have a ramp or service dogs available?"

Not everyone can be helped in every situation. It's an unfortunate reality of life. Those people are going to have to find ways to adjust to society instead of expecting society to adjust to them at every turn.

I Like Toast posted...

They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

This too. When a discussion devolves into privilege, I think "well it's hard for everybody out here, and I'm definitely not giving up any of my privilege to help you."

Would you say Liberals are selfish or selfless?

Selfless for selfish reasons

interesting
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luigi13579 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

i think we are all using the word liberal to define different groups lol

In America, it seems to be pretty much "anyone left of the (usual) Democrats".

Elsewhere in the world, the "classical liberal" definition is more common I think.

So https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism basically

i always thought an american liberal was your basic koolaid drinking democrat who consistently votes down party lines and regurgitates whatever the party says, i.e. colbert or something like that
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Muffinz0rz posted...

Selfless for selfish reasons

This is gold. Lmao.

ShotOJameson posted...

Nomadic View posted...

There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

People want to attack a symbol. People on the right lump all liberals in with groups like Antifa and BLM. People on the left lump all conservatives in with groups like the alt-right and the KKK. They then attack the most extreme wackos and claim that the entire side is aligned with them.

It's identity politics in the worst form.

I see

so everyone just sees the extreme/radical side of each party (idiots) and lumps them in with everyone else that affiliates themselves with that party, and dismisses the the actual good things that they are trying to stand for. Got it.

Most of the time. Because it easier to just lump people together and write them all off as that group than to actually engage people and try to come to an understanding of their point of view and/or political stance. Parisian politics have encouraged Americans to be lazy and just go with their preferred party and write off the others. That keeps Americans distracted and not paying attention to the awful things the government is doing at the expense of it's people. If we are too worried about internet typos and age old email conspiracies, then what attention are we going to give to the policies that are being put in place while we look at the shiny penny?
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Muffinz0rz posted...

ShotOJameson posted...

That_Happened posted...

Most of the time I disagree with liberals it's because they try to care (or pretend to try to care) about every individual with the most severe circumstances. I'm for gay marriage, I'm for transgender people not being bullied, but once it got down to "why can't every place have a bathroom for transgender people" I stopped giving a fuck. Or "why can't we add several pronouns to include people who are gender fluid?". Or "how can a blind, handicapped, native american person eat at this small-town restaurant if they don't have a ramp or service dogs available?"

Not everyone can be helped in every situation. It's an unfortunate reality of life. Those people are going to have to find ways to adjust to society instead of expecting society to adjust to them at every turn.

I Like Toast posted...

They want something, but think it's everyone else's responsibility but their own to get it.

This too. When a discussion devolves into privilege, I think "well it's hard for everybody out here, and I'm definitely not giving up any of my privilege to help you."

Would you say Liberals are selfish or selfless?

Selfless for selfish reasons

Turns out it's very easy to be generous when other people are paying for it.

luigi13579 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Selfless for selfish reasons

This is gold. Lmao.

honestly I think he just answered my question right here lol
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Do you mean liberals or social justice warriors?

Liberals are mostly sane, some of them are a little nuts on gun control and maybe too supportive of public schools but that isn't the end of the world.

Social Justice Warriors are basically as crazy as Tea Party supporters.

ShotOJameson posted...

luigi13579 posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

Selfless for selfish reasons

This is gold. Lmao.

honestly I think he just answered my question right here lol

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Nomadic View posted...

There is nothing wrong with liberals. Unfortunately liberals get grouped in with the collective of radical left nut jobs.

Going to have to disagree here. There is nothing wrong with liberalism but everything wrong with liberals. In fact the more to the left someone is, the more of a douchebag they are. There isn't any correlation with the belief structure, it's just something that naturally happens, like they just feel more and more compelled to be condescending elitist assholes.

As far as human beings go, liberals hit the trifecta of the worst human traits: which are lack of pragmatism, morality, and honesty. Their policies are generally not very well thought out and are extremely short sighted. They lack morality because everything they stand for is either motivated by self benefit or punishing republicans. Notice how support for gay marriage only started to gain steam at the same time it was popular to hate Christian fundamentalists, who at the time were running censorship campaigns for sex and violence in media and entertainment. Family dynamic, work ethic, criminal justice, and free will in general are also enemies of the liberal agenda, and they're even used as a basis to mock conservative policies. Finally, the lack of honesty is probably the worst. Nobody lies more than the left, and it's not just the media, although they are incredibly dishonest and are the largest purveyors of fake news. The statistics and data they used are cobbled together from non scientific sources and are ambiguous by design, so it can support anything they say and still be true. But the most despicable, nauseating part is the "good guy" persona they've created for themselves. It's basically a mental disorder, and they'll use it to justify any evil thing they decide to do to anyone else they decide is evil. They're sociopaths and hypocrites. There are far more bad liberals than conservatives, and the worst liberal is FAR worse than the worst conservative. Just look at the bottom 10 worst posters on CE, they're all liberal shitposters, and their entire purpose is to directly harass, troll, taunt, and insult conservative members, and some of them are downright legit evil.

Annihilated posted...

Bro at least wipe after you do that.
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lilJoe457 posted...

They seem to be very violent and intolerant these days. Which is very ironic.

Admittedly, I'm biased, but my perspective on this phenomenon is this:

Imagine the alt-right is a drunken uncle at Thanksgiving, who is getting progressively more belligerent.

The rest of the family starts telling the uncle he needs to simmer down. The uncle's response is obviously defensive: "Don't tell me what to do! Aren't you supposed to be tolerant of everyone!?"

It's disingenuous because it's not a true, unconditional tolerance when it disrupts the peace. Perhaps the family was disingenuous in claiming "everyone is welcome here" when there was an unspoken line, but once that line is crossed, it just promotes the schism.


Realistically, the left's claim of tolerance can't be taken at 100% literal face value. Any ideology that was so tolerant to the point of being complacent with literally anything could not survive as an ideology. It never asserts what it believes to be the better course of action or position on things.

The problem is the extremes on both ends play off each other so much, it gives the false perception that each ideology is rife with the worst possible application of it.

The right disagrees with something, say gender identity, and then goes, "Well I identify as a nazi." This obviously creates cognitive dissonance because this crosses that unspoken line. So to someone on the right, the left looks like a bunch of hypocrites. Then again, the right's use of such a strategy can also be construed as disingenuous to begin with.

So the polarization continues...

Then again, I never studied political science, so I know dick all.
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Soviet_Poland posted...

Realistically, the left's claim of tolerance can't be taken at 100% literal face value. Any ideology that was so tolerant to the point of being complacent with literally anything could not survive as an ideology. It never asserts what it believes to be the better course of action or position on things.

The problem is the extremes on both ends play off each other so much, it gives the false perception that each ideology is rife with the worst possible application of it.

The right disagrees with something, say gender identity, and then goes, "Well I identify as a nazi." This obviously creates cognitive dissonance because this crosses that unspoken line. So to someone on the right, the left looks like a bunch of hypocrites. Then again, the right's use of such a strategy can also be construed as disingenuous to begin with.

So the polarization continues...

this is pretty spot on

I'd like to add, though, that the people who think the far left is "just as bad" as the far right have roughly the comprehension skills of my dog: they can interpret tone, but not content
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Romulox28 posted...

a liberal is a person that is devoid of any kind of independent thought that has not been manufactured and sold to them by the democratic party, corporations, etc.

they preach progress and change but usually it's progress that the government/corporations/etc have become prepared for, they preach tolerance but only against those in their in-group, they preach understanding but only know what is shown to them, etc.

but worst of all is the smugness that accompanies a liberal, as they believe they are members of the Educated Enlightened Party, and that they are on the Right Side of History, and any political statement they make is a self serving act to not necessarily make the world a better place, but make them feel better about themselves as things go to shit

This.
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Look up Jordan Peterson
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Annihilated posted...



it's funny because he's warned
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averagejoel posted...

Soviet_Poland posted...

Realistically, the left's claim of tolerance can't be taken at 100% literal face value. Any ideology that was so tolerant to the point of being complacent with literally anything could not survive as an ideology. It never asserts what it believes to be the better course of action or position on things.

The problem is the extremes on both ends play off each other so much, it gives the false perception that each ideology is rife with the worst possible application of it.

The right disagrees with something, say gender identity, and then goes, "Well I identify as a nazi." This obviously creates cognitive dissonance because this crosses that unspoken line. So to someone on the right, the left looks like a bunch of hypocrites. Then again, the right's use of such a strategy can also be construed as disingenuous to begin with.

So the polarization continues...

this is pretty spot on

I'd like to add, though, that the people who think the far left is "just as bad" as the far right have roughly the comprehension skills of my dog: they can interpret tone, but not content

The far left is easily worse.
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Nothing makes them inherently bad. Empirically there are many liberals throughout history who have done great and respectable things. The reason why there is so much anti-liberalism in America is to hold together an increasingly fragile and contradictory governing coalition between libertarians and conservatives.

Soviet_Poland posted...

lilJoe457 posted...

They seem to be very violent and intolerant these days. Which is very ironic.

Admittedly, I'm biased, but my perspective on this phenomenon is this:

Imagine the alt-right is a drunken uncle at Thanksgiving, who is getting progressively more belligerent.

The rest of the family starts telling the uncle he needs to simmer down. The uncle's response is obviously defensive: "Don't tell me what to do! Aren't you supposed to be tolerant of everyone!?"

It's disingenuous because it's not a true, unconditional tolerance when it disrupts the peace. Perhaps the family was disingenuous in claiming "everyone is welcome here" when there was an unspoken line, but once that line is crossed, it just promotes the schism.


Realistically, the left's claim of tolerance can't be taken at 100% literal face value. Any ideology that was so tolerant to the point of being complacent with literally anything could not survive as an ideology. It never asserts what it believes to be the better course of action or position on things.

The problem is the extremes on both ends play off each other so much, it gives the false perception that each ideology is rife with the worst possible application of it.

The right disagrees with something, say gender identity, and then goes, "Well I identify as a nazi." This obviously creates cognitive dissonance because this crosses that unspoken line. So to someone on the right, the left looks like a bunch of hypocrites. Then again, the right's use of such a strategy can also be construed as disingenuous to begin with.

So the polarization continues...

Then again, I never studied political science, so I know dick all.

I'd love to see someone make a competent arguement against this. I can't think of one myself, I'd say you articulated my thoughts exactly.

Regardless, the initial analogy of the drunk uncle and the family is spot on lol.
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