Poll of the Day > Wait, Zeus is defending actual Nazis now?

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And then trying to save face by saying they aren't Nazis?
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He never defended nazis and this is a blatant attempt to slander

Yes, he is.
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He's defended neo-Confederates, really not that big a leap.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/75664126
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Jen0125 posted...

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/75664126

christ what is wrong with that dude
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What the fuck is wrong with you?

1) I pointed out that they're not Nazis. They're nowhere near old enough to have served in WWII Germany and almost all of them are probably Americans.

2) I pointed out that people were being ignorant for using Nazi as an insult.

"Calling someone a "Nazi" shows that not only have you absolutely no grasp of history, but it's also a flame, and a TOS violation."

3) This topic is libel and trolling and, if the mods around here were consistent, you'd probably be 3KL'd or worse by now.
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I think it's somewhat unfair to pin this all on Zeus when there are quite a few others on PotD saying the same things.
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Zeus posted...

1) I pointed out that they're not Nazis.

You're a deliberately obtuse pedant if you think that's even a remotely valid point of contention. They're definitely neo-nazis, or at least some of them were.

That's not some epithet either, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_rune
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Zeus it's been explained to you countless times that Nazis can still exist and don't need to have existed during WWII to be Nazis.

You're just trying to desperately spin what these pricks are and you're just as much of a shitty human being as those Nazis.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Zeus posted...

1) I pointed out that they're not Nazis.

You're a deliberately obtuse pedant if you think that's even a remotely valid point of contention. They're definitely neo-nazis, or at least some of them were.

That's not some epithet either, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_rune

And, if you said that some of them were Neo-Nazis, I wouldn't argue that point. However, the claim being made is that all of them were Nazis which is first impossible and second, if they meant Neo-Nazis, it still wouldn't be true of the whole crowd. However, there are either some Neo-Nazis in there or people pretending to be Neo-Nazis to troll.
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They wave a swastika flag, yell about Jews, and do the heil salute, but they're not Nazis because they weren't alive during WWII. Right. Sure.

We can't call them literal terrorists either because Osama bin Laden died in 2011.
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Zeus posted...

And, if you said that some of them were Neo-Nazis, I wouldn't argue that point.

Not.

A valid.

point of contention.
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How is this a surprise to anyone

Zeus posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Zeus posted...

1) I pointed out that they're not Nazis.

You're a deliberately obtuse pedant if you think that's even a remotely valid point of contention. They're definitely neo-nazis, or at least some of them were.

That's not some epithet either, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_rune

And, if you said that some of them were Neo-Nazis, I wouldn't argue that point. However, the claim being made is that all of them were Nazis which is first impossible and second, if they meant Neo-Nazis, it still wouldn't be true of the whole crowd. However, there are either some Neo-Nazis in there or people pretending to be Neo-Nazis to troll.

If you're in a crowd of people protesting against non-whites and a large chunk of the crowd are chanting anti-Jewish messages and waving Nazi flags, then yeah, you're either also a Nazi or a fucking idiot.

It's not a TOS violation to call someone who doesn't even post here a Nazi. Especially if they're actually a Nazi.
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Bligh_with_no_T posted...

We can't call them literal terrorists either because Osama bin Laden died in 2011.

That bligh boy ain't right.
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Zeus defends Nazis and claims other people aren't right.
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They're the current incarnation of Nazis. They're different, yes, but just as bad in their own way. It's like "'20s gangsters" and "current gangstas" - both are criminals involved in similar things, but not identical.

It's semantics though, really. Their beliefs are as toxic as the originals and the SJWs on the opposite pole that act as feelings police (I'm not talking about the counter-protesters against them with the SJW comment, before somebody makes that connection and goes off the deep end, Eric).
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SushiSquid posted...

Zeus posted...

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Zeus posted...

1) I pointed out that they're not Nazis.

You're a deliberately obtuse pedant if you think that's even a remotely valid point of contention. They're definitely neo-nazis, or at least some of them were.

That's not some epithet either, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odal_rune

And, if you said that some of them were Neo-Nazis, I wouldn't argue that point. However, the claim being made is that all of them were Nazis which is first impossible and second, if they meant Neo-Nazis, it still wouldn't be true of the whole crowd. However, there are either some Neo-Nazis in there or people pretending to be Neo-Nazis to troll.

If you're in a crowd of people protesting against non-whites and a large chunk of the crowd are chanting anti-Jewish messages and waving Nazi flags, then yeah, you're either also a Nazi or a fucking idiot.

Which is like saying that waving the American flag while eating a Big Mac makes somebody an American. It doesn't work that way.

Jen0125 posted...

It's not a TOS violation to call someone who doesn't even post here a Nazi. Especially if they're actually a Nazi.

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.
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You're pretty sensitive for someone your age Zeus

Cacciato posted...

You're pretty sensitive for someone your age Zeus

hehehehehe
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

They're the current incarnation of Nazis. They're different, yes, but just as bad in their own way. It's like "gangsters" and "gangstas" - both are criminals involved in similar things, but not identical.

It's semantics though, really. Their beliefs are as toxic as the SJWs on the opposite pole (I'm not talking about the counter-protesters against them with the SJW comment, before somebody makes that connection and goes off the deep end, Eric).

However, if you were going to peg actual Nazis in this day and age, one side is using violence to protest free speech, one side is burning books, one side wants the government to nationalize everything, and one side is openly socialist. The problem is that it's not the side you're calling Nazis. However, in general, you shouldn't be calling anybody Nazis because it demonstrates a lack of understanding in history and it diminishes the evil associated with the Nazi party.
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Zeus posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

They're the current incarnation of Nazis. They're different, yes, but just as bad in their own way. It's like "gangsters" and "gangstas" - both are criminals involved in similar things, but not identical.

It's semantics though, really. Their beliefs are as toxic as the SJWs on the opposite pole (I'm not talking about the counter-protesters against them with the SJW comment, before somebody makes that connection and goes off the deep end, Eric).

However, if you were going to peg actual Nazis in this day and age, one side is using violence to protest free speech, one side is burning books, one side wants the government to nationalize everything, and one side is openly socialist. The problem is that it's not the side you're calling Nazis. However, in general, you shouldn't be calling anybody Nazis because it demonstrates a lack of understanding in history and it diminishes the evil associated with the Nazi party.

Yes, the irony isn't lost on me. They both take elements of Nazi ideology to make their own. It's like a 2017 Nazi-lite civil war.
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Cacciato posted...

You're pretty sensitive for someone your age Zeus

Young man, I'll have you know I fought ACTUAL Nazis back in my day... in a video game

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Just when you thought Zeus couldn't take it a step further lol.. -___-'

Cacciato posted...

You're pretty sensitive for someone your age Zeus

Isn't he fifty? :/
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Melon_Master posted...

Just when you thought Zeus couldn't take it a step further lol.. -___-'

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Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Insert Ron burgundy I don't believe you gif here
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Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Insert Ron burgundy I don't believe you gif here

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Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Insert Ron burgundy I don't believe you gif here

It's pretty laid back now, but before if it was used for anything other than a historical reference there'd be a moderation. It used to be as modable as threatening to murder somebody.
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Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

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Is Wernher von Braun considered a Nazi in modern times?

everyone is either a SJW or a nazi now. There's no in between anymore guys
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Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Insert Ron burgundy I don't believe you gif here

Insert "Trolling or I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Trolling?" gif I was too lazy to make here.
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Zeus posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Insert Ron burgundy I don't believe you gif here

Insert "Trolling or I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Trolling?" gif I was too lazy to make here.

Don't be such a GIF Nazi. :P
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lolol

we're all getting marked by him now
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Melon_Master posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Zeus posted...

Except for the fact that they do mod for that, which I know from experience. And the guy I called a Nazi, unlike these guys, was an actual socialist looking to nationalize everything.

Thank you bb
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Zeus posted...

However, if you were going to peg actual Nazis in this day and age, one side is using violence to protest free speech, one side is burning books, one side wants the government to nationalize everything, and one side is openly socialist. The problem is that it's not the side you're calling Nazis.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Yes, the irony isn't lost on me. They both take elements of Nazi ideology to make their own. It's like a 2017 Nazi-lite civil war.

You're both wrong.

The thing is, there are plenty of heavy handed authoritarian approaches and viewpoints that aren't Nazi. Being a violent ideologue doesn't make you a Nazi. It's not that they're suppressing and oppressing, it's who and why.

What we have here is more like Commies vs. Nazis, to put it crudely.

Zeus posted...

However, in general, you shouldn't be calling anybody Nazis because it demonstrates a lack of understanding in history and it diminishes the evil associated with the Nazi party.

Say what? Neo-nazis don't even make sense outside of a historical context, because they follow the ideas of Literally Hitler. It's more diminishing not to call them Nazis, because it denies that Nazism is alive today.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

everyone is either a SJW or a nazi now. There's no in between anymore guys

You're not that far off though... I'd break it down into four groups though: Nazis, SJWs, people who side with SJWs to look progressive (there's a difference), and then people who think they're all idiots.
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

You're both wrong.

The thing is, there are plenty of heavy handed authoritarian approaches and viewpoints that aren't Nazi. Being a violent ideologue doesn't make you a Nazi. It's not that they're suppressing and oppressing, it's who and why.

What we have here is more like Commies vs. Nazis, to put it crudely.

Which is a longer debate for a non-troll topic.

Kungfu Kenobi posted...

Say what? Neo-nazis don't even make sense outside of a historical context, because they follow the ideas of Literally Hitler. It's more diminishing not to call them Nazis, because it denies that Nazism is alive today.

Because it's not alive today? That's why most of Europe isn't speaking German.
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It's not alive today?

Then I guess all those people waving around swastikas and doing Heil Hitler salutes yesterday never actually happened.
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What we have here is more like Commies vs. Nazis, to put it crudely.

Kind of, in the Stalinist sense of "commies." I can agree with that. I had a social studies teacher that explained ideologies not on a straight line but a curve that almost forms a circle, with the fascism and communism ends almost touching despite being officially on opposite sides of a spectrum.
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RCtheWSBC posted...

lolol

we're all getting marked by him now

Given that the site is run by far-left mods who don't even action death threats against me, I would assume your attacks -- which, if it were me doing them, would have resulted in a ban -- will be fine. And, even if the mods did act, they'd likely only delete the topic so you'd get away with all of your individual nonsense. Otherwise because I got warned for calling somebody a Nazi, I mark people for wrongly calling non-members of the actual Nazi party Nazis.
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Erik_P posted...

It's not alive today?

Then I guess all those people waving around swastikas and doing Heil Hitler salutes yesterday never actually happened.

They're misguided posers and not all that smart. Their genetics objectively disqualified them from any measure of success even if Germany had won WWII. I have no idea why they support a group that openly found them repugnant. If some group hated me, I wouldn't try to join it... But that's part of why they're morons.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

Erik_P posted...

It's not alive today?

Then I guess all those people waving around swastikas and doing Heil Hitler salutes yesterday never actually happened.

They're misguided posers and not all that smart. Their genetics objectively disqualified them from any measure of success even if Germany had won WWII. I have no idea why they support a group that openly found them repugnant. If some group hated me, I wouldn't try to join it... But that's part of why they're morons.

They still support the ideals and beliefs of Nazis. One of them murdered someone; they're far from misguided.
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Zeus is either a paid Russian shill or actually does this shit on his own time, which is just incredibly sad. He's one of the few dudes on here who will "well, actually" you about Nazis so it's not a big stretch to see he's just thrown down on it now.
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Kana posted...

Zeus is either a paid Russian shill or actually does this shit on his own time, which is just incredibly sad. He's one of the few dudes on here who will "well, actually" you about Nazis so it's not a big stretch to see he's just thrown down on it now.

If anything, wouldn't that make me a paid German shill if those particular demonstrators were in fact secretly Nazis instead of possible Neo-Nazis or just alt-right trolls? I don't get your batshit insane troll logic.
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