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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 3:53:31 PM
#253:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


Probably the video showing the car start down the street near zero people and accelerating down the street into a crowd of many people?
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Wanglicious
08/12/17 3:53:35 PM
#254:


kevwaffles posted...

First, it would give you an idea if it's a possibility. If you saw a black guy driving and he said that you would be saying he's wrong instead of just saying he's assuming.


no, i'd still just say he's assuming. the identity of the driver is unknown, details about the driver are unknown. therefore it's not right to assume things about him. you can use this topic or any other that's involved shootings or murder, i actively do not like to use speculation. this is you just saying this, not the actual truth here.

kevwaffles posted...

Second, I'm not buying this "I've never noticed you can see people through a window most the time" argument. I don't care if you've never seen a car in your damn life.


it's not that you notice it or not, it's that you don't pay attention to it. are you seriously telling me that you actively look at the windows of every car to see how tinted they are? really? if i go outside right now i can count a couple thousand cars within a 5 block radius, you seriously think i'm going to look at or gauge tinted windows over here? how is that common sense? a window's a window. i don't care. it's not my business or problem. hell, they aren't that uncommon here considering how many different people with police force come visit NYC. it's just another feature on another car and not something anybody would pay attention to here unless they're working on a car themselves. whatever assumptions you're making here are completely off.

kevwaffles posted...
If this is really as "innocent" as you want to make it out to be, then just stop doing it.


in the exact same post you're commenting on i literally said that it's my fuck up. in the two posts before that, i do the same. are you even reading what's being said or just being angry?
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SupremeZero
08/12/17 3:54:27 PM
#255:


https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/896431991821926401

"How dare you condemn us, we voted for you! Praise that guy who ran over people."
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 3:54:43 PM
#256:


StealThisSheen posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


Probably the video showing the car start down the street near zero people and accelerating down the street into a crowd of many people?

That's not really evidence of intent though
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LapisLazuli
08/12/17 3:54:53 PM
#257:


Wang if you truly do admit that your earlier posts were in incredibly poor taste than you should probably formally apologize, because we're talking literal disgust here.
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LordoftheMorons
08/12/17 3:55:43 PM
#258:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


This video makes it extremely hard to buy that it was unintentional:

lordloki12 posted...
Twitter link to video of silver car running into pedestrians then reversing back down the block trying to flee the scene. This wasnt an accident and it wasnt someone trying to escape a crowd.

https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737

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CaptainOfCrush
08/12/17 3:56:48 PM
#259:


One confirmed death in Charlottesville. No word on whether it was related to the car incident.
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 3:56:52 PM
#260:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


Probably the video showing the car start down the street near zero people and accelerating down the street into a crowd of many people?

That's not really evidence of intent though


It is absolutely evidence of intent to murder, at least.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 3:57:14 PM
#261:


I agree that it seems intentional, but I've also seen similar videos of elderly people doing the same thing. Panicked drivers are crazy.
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 3:57:39 PM
#262:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


Probably the video showing the car start down the street near zero people and accelerating down the street into a crowd of many people?

That's not really evidence of intent though


Mmkay
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SupremeZero
08/12/17 3:57:56 PM
#263:


Panicked by what, exactly, the 50 feet of empty road ahead?
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 3:59:03 PM
#264:


SupremeZero posted...
Panicked by what, exactly, the 50 feet of empty road ahead?


And the completely empty perpendicular road behind him!
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 3:59:18 PM
#265:


Jakyl, would you withhold a presumption of innocence like this if this video was of a Muslim driver in France?
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CaptainOfCrush
08/12/17 4:00:46 PM
#266:


The reversing put it over the top for me. I've obviously never been in a situation this dramatic, but if I lost my nerve and accidentally plowed into a group of people, I can't imagine recovering enough nerve to immediately back up down that entire street.
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 4:01:26 PM
#267:


Seph & Wang: Nazi Defenders

Coming to Fox this fall!
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Corrik
08/12/17 4:01:46 PM
#268:


Who the fuck cares if there was intent. That will come out later once the suspect is cauhjt which they will be because their damn car is on camera involved.

This rally should never have been allowed to even take place and should have been dispersed from the onset.

This incident never even occurs if this was handled properly.

You shouldn't be allowed to assemble with messages such as fuck the cops or white power or anything. The moment your message is one of violence and has violent elements, it is no longer a peaceful rally or protest regardless of the official stated message.
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CaptainOfCrush
08/12/17 4:01:58 PM
#269:


The death is related to the car incident.
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LordoftheMorons
08/12/17 4:02:01 PM
#270:


https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/896460104320524288
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Wanglicious
08/12/17 4:02:08 PM
#271:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Is there any evidence that the driver was a white supremacist murderer and not some panicked passerby? Legitimately asking


the second vid is the main argument for it, the guy basically accelerates down almost a full city block into another car. it technically could explain why he'd do such a dumb thing but that's a lot of panicking to ask someone to believe over "this was intentional."

lordloki12 posted...

In your rush to defend Nazis


you don't know what he is, i don't know what he is. but it's a good idea to not accuse people of shit, especially of one of the lowest tiers a person can be, when you don't know anything about them.

seriously, one of you complains that that i'm not willing to label the guy and identify him with such a harsh label, then a couple of you come in and use it anyway fully knowing that you don't have a damn clue what he is but saying it anyway, actively proving my point that this is why you need to report on things properly.

lordloki12 posted...
you blamed the victims by deciding it was ok to run over pedestrians. You never mentioned these "proper channels" before but if that is now a requirement then I guess anyone who doesnt get across the street before the light changes is now free game for you?


so your complaint is that i wasn't specific enough? that you didn't assume i was talking about them illegal blocking traffic when i said these people were "walking in the middle of the street, blocking traffic, and chanting that they own the streets?" are you being petty to the point where you need me to specifically state that such things are generally talking about illegal activities, otherwise it's not people blocking traffic?

and when did you stop beating your wife?
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 4:02:33 PM
#272:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
The reversing put it over the top for me. I've obviously never been in a situation this dramatic, but if I lost my nerve and accidentally plowed into a group of people, I can't imagine recovering enough nerve to immediately back up down that entire street.


This
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 4:03:35 PM
#273:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl, would you withhold a presumption of innocence like this if this video was of a Muslim driver in France?


If it was any driver anywhere I would withhold presumption of innocence based on this video
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SupremeZero
08/12/17 4:04:34 PM
#274:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/896460104320524288

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous, that Donald Trump can't condemn literal nazis, or that the literal Nazis are offended that Donald Trump didn't condemn the other side of the aisle.
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Corrik
08/12/17 4:04:55 PM
#275:


People on both sides of this topic are always quick to label from the onset. It is pointless. Let the facts come out.

Ulti attributes every attack to muslims.
Others in here attribute every hate crime or such to conservatives.
Now this is a Nazi without knowledge.


People assuming have been wrong time and time again in these topics (sometimes right).

Let the facts come out.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 4:04:58 PM
#276:


https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896444548171182080

For the record, I think this very likely was domestic terrorism, but the hypocritical, mob-like jump to forgone conclusions based on no evidence but a video is incredible.
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 4:05:49 PM
#277:


SupremeZero posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/896460104320524288

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous, that Donald Trump can't condemn literal nazis, or that the literal Nazis are offended that Donald Trump didn't condemn the other side of the aisle.


No, he DID condemn the other side of the aisle. Duke is just upset that his side got implicitly included.
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transience
08/12/17 4:06:50 PM
#278:


I can withhold judgment on the car thing if absolutely necessary - I can totally see someone saying I NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW - but the rest of the situation is an absolute disgrace that should have been handled better from the start

there has to be a balance between how Ferguson was handled and how this was handled
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 4:07:22 PM
#279:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896444548171182080

For the record, I think this very likely was domestic terrorism, but the hypocritical, mob-like jump to forgone conclusions based on no evidence but a video is incredible.


A video is pretty strong evidence.

I can agree that we don't know the driver was a Nazi.
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 4:09:05 PM
#280:


transience posted...
I can withhold judgment on the car thing if absolutely necessary - I can totally see someone saying I NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW - but the rest of the situation is an absolute disgrace that should have been handled better from the start

there has to be a balance between how Ferguson was handled and how this was handled


I can agree with this

If you want to ignore the car until facts come out, okay

But those defending it getting to this point, including defending literal Nazis marching down the street, are disgusting
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SupremeZero
08/12/17 4:09:41 PM
#282:


What kind of evidence are you looking for, Seph, video?

Wait.

Uhm.

Seeing it for yourself?

... no, wait, video does that too.

Audi- Nope there's audio too.
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CaptainOfCrush
08/12/17 4:10:07 PM
#283:


What is wrong with you
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Corrik
08/12/17 4:10:11 PM
#284:


Ultii posted...
Reminder -- the media claimed there was no violence against Trump supporters and has largely defended Antifa's actions. The blood is on their hands as much as anyone else.

Good for conservatives for finally standing up against this trash. Every time Antifa attacks us physically they get absolutely annihilated. And spare me the sanctimonious virtue signaling unless you've been condemning violence this entire time and haven't lived in denial about the HUNDREDS of Trump supporters violently attacked since the election.

This post is kind of offensive. What today was was not standing up for itself.
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Ultii
08/12/17 4:10:31 PM
#285:


transience posted...
I can withhold judgment on the car thing if absolutely necessary - I can totally see someone saying I NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW - but the rest of the situation is an absolute disgrace that should have been handled better from the start

there has to be a balance between how Ferguson was handled and how this was handled

The riots at Berkeley set the precedent, not Ferguson. If Antifa continues being violent with people, then self defense is 100% allowed.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 4:11:06 PM
#286:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz/status/896444548171182080

For the record, I think this very likely was domestic terrorism, but the hypocritical, mob-like jump to forgone conclusions based on no evidence but a video is incredible.


A video is pretty strong evidence.

I can agree that we don't know the driver was a Nazi.

Do you remember that Malcom in the Middle episode where Lois was caught on camera making an illegal turn until they found a second angle? It's a great episode.

I don't think the video alone is incontrovertible evidence. You can find other videos, especially of old people, who panic for no reason and drive just as erratically as that. I'd at least wait until the person is identified and interviewed before immediately labeling them as a murderous Nazi terrorist.
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 4:11:50 PM
#287:


...Sorry, Wang and Seph. I take it back.

Nothing you've said is as bad as Ulti actually cheering this on
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Jakyl25
08/12/17 4:11:57 PM
#288:


Ulti officially outs himself as a Neo-Nazi by calling the marchers today "we."
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LordoftheMorons
08/12/17 4:12:22 PM
#289:


I,too, frequently practice "self defense" half a year later against different people 3000 miles away by being super fucking racist and maybe some light terrorism
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SupremeZero
08/12/17 4:12:49 PM
#290:


Wang: "Those guys might've been scar- No wait."
Seph: "I still think those guys might've been scared, though."
Ulti: "HOLD MA BEER!"
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Ultii
08/12/17 4:14:11 PM
#292:


Jakyl25 posted...
Ulti officially outs himself as a Neo-Nazi by calling the marchers today "we."

Oh let me guess, you're one of those geniuses that thinks all conservatives are nazis and Trump is literally Hitler.

Yawn.
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StealThisSheen
08/12/17 4:14:24 PM
#293:


Ultii posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
What is wrong with you

Nothing. Self defense is always justified.

Didn't even hear about someone getting run over until I read this topic. I was at work all day and heard liberals started a riot before getting their asses beat. At least someone is doing it since their parents clearly never bothered.


You are literally celebrating people getting run over

You are absolute trash
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Ultii
08/12/17 4:14:53 PM
#294:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I,too, frequently practice "self defense" half a year later against different people 3000 miles away by being super fucking racist and maybe some light terrorism

You defended Antifa rioting on your campus. Shut the fuck up.
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Wanglicious
08/12/17 4:15:10 PM
#295:


LapisLazuli posted...
Wang if you truly do admit that your earlier posts were in incredibly poor taste than you should probably formally apologize, because we're talking literal disgust here.


i don't apologize for taste. you should never do that.
similarly, apologizing to whom? other third party, unrelated people? that never made much sense to me, if i'm not harming you then what's the apology for, there's nothing to apologize over. now granted, if you are somehow involved then yeah, that's a personal affair and i should've waited. hope you/the person you're caring for is okay and hope they're staying indoors where it's safer.

but apologizing for getting details wrong and misjudging what i was seeing? like i said already, that's my mistake, my fuck up, and it's wrong. if you were judging anything based on that, sorry for misleading you.
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Nelson_Mandela
08/12/17 4:15:34 PM
#296:


SupremeZero posted...
Wang: "Those guys might've been scar- No wait."
Seph: "I still think those guys might've been scared, though."
Ulti: "HOLD MA BEER!"

Don't put words in my mouth. I said it probably was terrorism, but it's hypocritical and un-American to immediately declare it as fact.

This is why people still think Richard Jewel was a terrorist when he was actually a hero who tried to prevent a bombing.
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LordoftheMorons
08/12/17 4:15:52 PM
#297:


How a real president would have responded:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/896463243366903808
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The Mana Sword
08/12/17 4:16:31 PM
#299:


That's a prett weak response from H too.
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The Mana Sword
08/12/17 4:17:01 PM
#300:


Guys, Ulti is worthless. Ignore him, don't respond.
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LordoftheMorons
08/12/17 4:17:07 PM
#301:


Ultii posted...
You defended Antifa rioting on your campus. Shut the fuck up.

I literally fucking didn't
You can get Lasa to check his archives.
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Corrik
08/12/17 4:17:17 PM
#302:


Ultii posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
I,too, frequently practice "self defense" half a year later against different people 3000 miles away by being super fucking racist and maybe some light terrorism

You defended Antifa rioting on your campus. Shut the fuck up.

As offensive as ulti is being, he is right a good bit of you defended the charlotte riot, Berkeley, portland, etc.

This is extremely wrong but so were those.
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Ultii
08/12/17 4:17:26 PM
#303:


StealThisSheen posted...
Ultii posted...
CaptainOfCrush posted...
What is wrong with you

Nothing. Self defense is always justified.

Didn't even hear about someone getting run over until I read this topic. I was at work all day and heard liberals started a riot before getting their asses beat. At least someone is doing it since their parents clearly never bothered.


You are literally celebrating people getting run over

You are absolute trash

Nah.

And liberals in this topic have refused to denounce Antifa from day one. Don't even try.
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velocycloraptor
08/12/17 4:18:23 PM
#304:


(guy holding a nazi and confederate flag) i am against violence
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Ultii
08/12/17 4:18:24 PM
#305:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Ultii posted...
You defended Antifa rioting on your campus. Shut the fuck up.

I literally fucking didn't
You can get Lasa to check his archives.

I remember you making a topic about Trump threatening to cut your school's funding and you were complaining because no one at Berkeley did anything wrong. Try again.
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