Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XIX: Discussion Topic [smfffc]

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Steiner
08/09/17 2:13:46 PM
#151:


yuffie almost winning is fine, whatever, rather her than anybody not from 7, 8 or 10, except that it was before any of the dozens of good ff7 characters won
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th3l3fty
08/09/17 2:14:45 PM
#152:


is it really fair to say Yuffie was "close" when she was almost doubled by Zell?
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:15:42 PM
#153:


swordz9 posted...
Why would you want to forget the best VII character almost winning???


I haven't forgotten about Cloud.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:16:07 PM
#154:


Yuffie making the finals was a necessity since I think it was Vivi was the other member of that top three. He needed to go, as seen by last contest.
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mnkboy907
08/09/17 2:17:01 PM
#155:


Vivi should just win every year tbqh
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:17:49 PM
#156:


I visibly winced.
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:17:57 PM
#157:


-FFDragon- posted...
Yuffie making the finals was a necessity since I think it was Vivi was the other member of that top three. He needed to go, as seen by last contest.


That is correct. The top 5 that year was Zell/Yuffie/Vivi/Cecil/Celes.
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:18:13 PM
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VeryInsane
08/09/17 2:18:18 PM
#159:


LeonhartFour posted...
FFVII has Reno and Zack. FFVIII has Zell. Cloud, Tifa, and Squall have gotten to the finals but lost.


VIII sounds about right but the two VII characters surprise me
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OlDirtyNumbers
08/09/17 2:18:43 PM
#160:


my only regret about rydia triumphing over cloud is the people who voted her for shoenin's sake
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swordz9
08/09/17 2:19:51 PM
#161:


I remember Rydia vs Cloud. Think that was the first final I ever abstained from
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 2:32:34 PM
#162:


LeonhartFour posted...
It's an analogy, but it's exactly why I don't like the concept. I don't want some people having a disproportionate influence over who gets into the contest.

But yes, all trades have to be limited to this specific iteration of the contest.

Leon I completely get the place from which you're coming, but I can assure you "some people" is actually literally the only TWO people with that kind of influence, one of which doesn't participate anymore (Sir Knight), and one of which is gonna hold that clout regardless (Former Fantasy Despot). I've been saying over the last two days (ask gauntlet Discord and v_charon) that my glory days in Save Mys are over with; actually, it's far more likely that Tidus winning was a fluke than that he won almost entirely due to my charisma. Yes prev/next-contest alliances did help, but Tidus still needed enough natural popularity to get that far. I really can't get into a long discussion about this right this moment, but in a nutshell I really do think this needs to be reopened to a community forum sometime, even if it's for next contest and not this one.

LeonhartFour posted...
I also don't like the finals being decided by who makes the best trade offers either. If it means some people don't vote because they don't care about either finalist, oh well.

That's just it though: when it's a one-on-one agreement between two parties and no one else there is no "BEST OFFER". I can offer Koala this hypothetical deal, but then... I dunno- Jeff can offer the exact same thing with Cloud next contest, whom Koala likes more I'm certain and completely negate me. I'm not going to one up Jeff and offer both my own and v_charon's support of Vincent- or Inviso's or Ermine's or PlasmaKappa's because frankly I have no control over anyone but myself, so it really just comes down to Koala's preference there. I mean... I can't speak for the community, but I think there's a gigantic difference there that needs to be explored.

That's my two cents.

Respectfully yours,

GenesisSaga

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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:36:36 PM
#163:


Man if I was a despot, we'd have had some very different results.
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:38:17 PM
#164:


"Disproportionate influence" means you have more nominations at your disposal than other people do, not that you are charismatic and people will do what you say for no reason whatsoever.

I also don't want people selling their votes in the final because they don't care about who wins either. I just want people's favorite character to win so that the title of the contest can actually be true once in a while.
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 2:39:07 PM
#165:


I know we might actually have Zell Dincht as a champion, Marche Radiaju as a train, Selphie as a finalist prospect, and Aki Ross make a top te- hey wait.
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:41:53 PM
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 2:43:48 PM
#167:


Fine, top twe-

Better? I just remember she got ridiculously far for a niche ass character literally ONE. PERSON. CARED ABOUT.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:44:01 PM
#168:


I think only Selphie happened when I was in charge though.
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swordz9
08/09/17 2:44:53 PM
#169:


Weren't you on the Zack train too?
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:46:49 PM
#170:


I mean isn't taking niche characters far that literally only you care about what you've been trying to do since Tidus won
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:48:52 PM
#171:


GenesisSaga posted...
my only interest would be bringing in new niche characters


:thinking emoji:
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OlDirtyNumbers
08/09/17 2:50:37 PM
#172:


god i wish gfaqs had emoji support
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 2:52:03 PM
#173:


LeonhartFour posted...
I mean isn't taking niche characters far that literally only you care about what you've been trying to do since Tidus won

Why yes, but I don't have that Save My Magic anymore. I would be fighting for top 40, not 10 or 20. I guarantee nothing I have mind to bring into this contest would compromise the integrity of your results. And nothing I nominate has joke status unless you consider Maechen as such. It's not like I want to get STAY AWAY FROM THE SUMMONER Granny in.
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 2:54:34 PM
#174:


Friggin' Baralai almost made the top 25 last year. Are we going to quibble because it wasn't quite as well as Aki did?

And I'm not worried about the "integrity" of the contest in terms of what character wins. I don't really care about that. I just want the contest to be decided within the parameters of the contest.
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Steiner
08/09/17 2:55:23 PM
#175:


bptHrvb
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OlDirtyNumbers
08/09/17 2:55:52 PM
#176:


arguing for a rule change because you, personally, cannot abuse it is

uh

somethin'
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OlDirtyNumbers
08/09/17 2:56:24 PM
#177:


Steiner posted...
bptHrvb


thank you.........
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scarletspeed7
08/09/17 2:56:57 PM
#178:


What about sexual favors for saves?
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scarletspeed7
08/09/17 2:57:25 PM
#179:


Asking for a friend.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 2:57:27 PM
#180:


No troll, is the line in the Sand that you are okay with people pushing niche favorites so long as they are characters you also enjoy?
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 3:00:18 PM
#181:


*sigh*

That's fair enough, I just think it should be a community decision. You know by the entire community, not the 15 people that happen to be around to notice the poll in a topic right before the actual contest goes up (pulled that number straight out of my ass but you get my point).

You see without next-contest alliances or trades I can't even get one of Yazoo or Vaan in without giving up on the other. I mean sure it limits certain people's power but it also completely negates other's which wasn't even the intended effect of that rule but a byproduct of it.

(And yes I know technically I could've got one in without giving Vayne a free save, but I don't break promises.)
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 3:00:30 PM
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 3:10:29 PM
#183:


OlDirtyNumbers posted...
arguing for a rule change because you, personally, cannot abuse it is

uh

somethin'

I mean technically I could still completely abuse this by simply avoiding mentioning this in-topic or Discord, but I have no interest in going above the law or whatever. I agree it should be all or nothing, but what I was arguing against last contest was TRADING OTHER PEOPLE'S SUPPORT across the same contest or iteration of the same contest should absolutely be disallowed, but one v one deals for the same was always allowed previously and shouldn't be barred now.

-FFDragon- posted...
No troll, is the line in the Sand that you are okay with people pushing niche favorites so long as they are characters you also enjoy?

If that's what you gathered from my statements then you really don't get me at all. I have no opinion on what anyone else is pushing, or if I do it's not even relevant to the discussion at hand. My stance is that I have been crippled by an arbitrary rule change in that I'm no longer able to even GET niche characters I legitimately enjoy (and Vaan) into the competition using a strategy that was previously at my own- and anyone else's- disposal. If I'm the only one upset at this power being taken from me then so be it, but I literally was not even around to see this alleged discussion. Does anyone get me here????
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 3:26:58 PM
#184:


GenesisSaga posted...
If that's what you gathered from my statements then you really don't get me at all.


I mean, you called me a despot and went in hard on Aki, so yeah that's what it came off as.
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muddersmilk
08/09/17 3:27:47 PM
#185:


GenesisSaga posted...
Fine, top twe-

Better? I just remember she got ridiculously far for a niche ass character literally ONE. PERSON. CARED ABOUT.


Hey now, that was in my best years and I cared about her.
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CelesMyUserName
08/09/17 3:30:10 PM
#186:


trading is already immoral, we don't need next contest stuff
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VeryInsane
08/09/17 3:33:17 PM
#187:


why trade when you can go face
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WhiteLens
08/09/17 3:34:24 PM
#188:


PGwhHDS

Maybe I'll support Minwu down the line.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 3:43:53 PM
#189:


@LeonhartFour

Did you ever decide on a rule about @ing people? In case it comes up.
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scarletspeed7
08/09/17 3:44:07 PM
#190:


Poor ing.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 3:45:01 PM
#191:


He chose his name, he reaps what he sows.
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CelesMyUserName
08/09/17 3:45:13 PM
#192:


LiGQq4M
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mnkboy907
08/09/17 3:46:14 PM
#193:


I choose to believe he chose the name based on the FFVI monster.
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WhiteLens
08/09/17 3:46:27 PM
#194:


Last Visit Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:36 PM

You just pinged an active user too. Way to inform that person about SMFFFC.
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mnkboy907
08/09/17 3:47:19 PM
#195:


I think a DAMMIT GMUN is in order but I can't be sure.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 3:47:27 PM
#196:


Banned
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LeonhartFour
08/09/17 3:47:44 PM
#197:


-FFDragon- posted...
@LeonhartFour

Did you ever decide on a rule about @ing people? In case it comes up.


I think I'd like to limit it to reminding trade partners of a save if they haven't shown up or something. I'd rather not use it for stuff like announcing the round has started (which isn't really necessary because Discord covers that for most people) or informing people their save is up because that can easily get out of hand and overload the topic.
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GenesisSaga
08/09/17 3:48:30 PM
#198:


-FFDragon- posted...
GenesisSaga posted...
If that's what you gathered from my statements then you really don't get me at all.


I mean, you called me a despot and went in hard on Aki, so yeah that's what it came off as.

The first half of that was completely in jest. I assure you I don't take these things half as seriously as I used to, hence my desire to support niche shit no one else cares about alongside or instead of my own friggin' favorites. As for going in on Aki well, she totally deserves it. Sorry but if you were anyone but you or Chris Aki Ross would have no business being anywhere NEAR a top ten or even in the competition to begin with.

I mean it might sound like it's coming from a negative place (maybe it is in a fashion), but it has little to do with the actual character so much as your ability to push her or whatever flavor of the month to incredible heights I can't even fathom my niche characters reaching. In short I'm jealous I can't do what you do and nowadays I can't even do what I do. I literally couldn't even get two out of 25 characters I want in despite pushing for them.
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WhiteLens
08/09/17 3:48:43 PM
#199:


Now this Ing fellow has 2 mentions here.
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-FFDragon-
08/09/17 3:52:46 PM
#200:


I guess I'll drop it then since I can't stop... being me.
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