Poll of the Day > Free Speech = getting fired for having a non-mainstream opinion

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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:03:11 PM
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Because it's 2017
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Zeus
07/19/17 8:13:02 PM
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Also that's not what free speech even means.
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:13:35 PM
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Zeus posted...
Also that's not what free speech even means.


She was a teacher, and was fired for the opinions of a Church - both of which take great government liberties.
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Johnny Eagle
07/19/17 8:14:22 PM
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And this is about........?
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Jen0125
07/19/17 8:14:55 PM
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free speech =/= freedom from consequences
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Zeus
07/19/17 8:18:07 PM
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Johnny Eagle posted...
And this is about........?


Lokarin's inability to understand the first amendment.

Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Also that's not what free speech even means.


She was a teacher, and was fired for the opinions of a Church - both of which take great government liberties.


She taught at a PRIVATE university, not a government-run university. However, even at a government-run university, you can still be fired for saying stuff. More importantly, because you're ignorant about the university itself, it's fucking BRIGHAM YOUNG. A large chunk of the school's funding comes from that same church.
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Cacciato
07/19/17 8:19:23 PM
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Goddamn I don't remember TC being this bad. I know he's gotten worse, but still
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:20:11 PM
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Zeus posted...
Johnny Eagle posted...
And this is about........?


Lokarin's inability to understand the first amendment.

Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Also that's not what free speech even means.


She was a teacher, and was fired for the opinions of a Church - both of which take great government liberties.


She taught at a PRIVATE university, not a government-run university. However, even at a government-run university, you can still be fired for saying stuff. More importantly, because you're ignorant about the university itself, it's fucking BRIGHAM YOUNG. A large chunk of the school's funding comes from that same church.


If I worked at a religious institution and said I was atheist, being punished for that is a felony.
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:21:10 PM
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you couldnt just confine your tears to the duckbear topic? this needs a new one?
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Jen0125
07/19/17 8:22:24 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
you couldnt just confine your tears to the duckbear topic? this needs a new one?


lokarin has done nothing for the past year but go above and beyond to brand himself as a leading shitposter. of course he couldn't keep it contained.
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:22:57 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
you couldnt just confine your tears to the duckbear topic? this needs a new one?


lokarin has done nothing for the past year but go above and beyond to brand himself as a leading shitposter. of course he couldn't keep it contained.


Pro freespeech is shitposting... proof of the American Dream right there
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Zeus
07/19/17 8:26:25 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Johnny Eagle posted...
And this is about........?


Lokarin's inability to understand the first amendment.

Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Also that's not what free speech even means.


She was a teacher, and was fired for the opinions of a Church - both of which take great government liberties.


She taught at a PRIVATE university, not a government-run university. However, even at a government-run university, you can still be fired for saying stuff. More importantly, because you're ignorant about the university itself, it's fucking BRIGHAM YOUNG. A large chunk of the school's funding comes from that same church.


If I worked at a religious institution and said I was atheist, being punished for that is a felony.


You mean in Canada? That's because Canada doesn't believe in free speech. The Canadian government has decided that citizens don't have inherent civil rights, which is why their government is so different than a free nation.
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:26:32 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Jen0125 posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
you couldnt just confine your tears to the duckbear topic? this needs a new one?


lokarin has done nothing for the past year but go above and beyond to brand himself as a leading shitposter. of course he couldn't keep it contained.


Pro freespeech is shitposting... proof of the American Dream right there


calling the you a shitposer is free speech. THAT is proof of the American Dream.
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Jen0125
07/19/17 8:27:07 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Pro freespeech is shitposting... proof of the American Dream right there


"pro free speech" may not be shitposting necessarily but making another topic for something that already has a topic going is shitposting
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:27:50 PM
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oh right... lok is a canadian

dude, your country has been proudly suppressing free speech for a long goddamn time
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:29:15 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Lokarin posted...
Pro freespeech is shitposting... proof of the American Dream right there


"pro free speech" may not be shitposting necessarily but making another topic for something that already has a topic going is shitposting


Ok, that's fair enough.
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:29:50 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
oh right... lok is a canadian

dude, your country has been proudly suppressing free speech for a long goddamn time


That's right, that's why I need you Americans to actually have the freedoms you claim to have.
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:32:29 PM
#21:


Lokarin posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
oh right... lok is a canadian

dude, your country has been proudly suppressing free speech for a long goddamn time


That's right, that's why I need you Americans to actually have the freedoms you claim to have.


we do though... she was fired by a private entity

if the NAACP found out they were employing the fucking grand wizard of the klu klux klan should they not have the right to fire him because his political views and goals are in direct contrast to those of the organization employing him?
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:36:50 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
Lokarin posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
oh right... lok is a canadian

dude, your country has been proudly suppressing free speech for a long goddamn time


That's right, that's why I need you Americans to actually have the freedoms you claim to have.


we do though... she was fired by a private entity

if the NAACP found out they were employing the fucking grand wizard of the klu klux klan should they not have the right to fire him because his political views and goals are in direct contrast to those of the organization employing him?


The NAACP would be making a generalization based on the colour of his robes... sounds kinda familair
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Smarkil
07/19/17 8:39:20 PM
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I don't like anyone being fired for their opinions, but posting stuff that is directly against your employers at one of the most religious schools in the country, at the even more conservative campus no less, is pretty dumb.

I don't agree with her being fired for it, but they did give her the opportunity to take it down. If you work for an organization that is explicitly against the thing you're advocating for, it's a pretty easy sell for them to fire you.
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:40:56 PM
#24:


Smarkil posted...
I don't like anyone being fired for their opinions, but posting stuff that is directly against your employers at one of the most religious schools in the country, at the even more conservative campus no less, is pretty dumb.

I don't agree with her being fired for it, but they did give her the opportunity to take it down. If you work for an organization that is explicitly against the thing you're advocating for, it's a pretty easy sell for them to fire you.


Let's just sidestep this for an issue so we can get to some truth over here: JUST IN CASE I'M WRONG:

If you are fired because of your religion, is that illegal?
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darcandkharg31
07/19/17 8:43:55 PM
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Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.
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Zeus
07/19/17 8:44:51 PM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.
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Smarkil
07/19/17 8:45:57 PM
#27:


Lokarin posted...
Let's just sidestep this for an issue so we can get to some truth over here: JUST IN CASE I'M WRONG:

If you are fired because of your religion, is that illegal?


Are there any exceptions to who is covered by Title VII’s religion provisions?

Yes. While Title VII’s jurisdictional rules apply to all religious discrimination claims under the statute, see EEOC Compliance Manual, “Threshold Issues,” https://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/threshold.html, specially-defined “religious organizations” and “religious educational institutions” are exempt from certain religious discrimination provisions, and a “ministerial exception” bars Title VII claims by employees who serve in clergy roles.

Also, I'm not sure if Idaho is the same, but Utah at least is an at-will employment state. So they can basically fire you for whatever the hell they want. Besides which, I think technically this professor was mormon. So it's not really religious discrimination if they're the same religion.
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Erik_P
07/19/17 8:46:02 PM
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Zeus posted...
darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.


Zeus accusing other people of not understanding something is pretty funny.
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green dragon
07/19/17 8:46:19 PM
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Here's something that I've always been a little bit shaky on. And please excuse me for my ignorance.

Let's say a person works for the government. They say something or post something, while at home and on their free time, that their employer, the government, does not approve of (let's say it's not offensive and harms no one else).

The government then fires that employee.

Can that happen? I wanna say no, but this post:


Zeus posted...
However, even at a government-run university, you can still be fired for saying stuff


Kinda confuse me. I mean, I have heard of profs getting fired for saying dumb shit, but is it because the government doesn't actually run the university and only provides funding that covers only a small chunk of what it takes to run a university?

Or is it because a university can fire whoever they want to to protect their image?
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Lokarin
07/19/17 8:47:02 PM
#30:


Smarkil posted...
Lokarin posted...
Let's just sidestep this for an issue so we can get to some truth over here: JUST IN CASE I'M WRONG:

If you are fired because of your religion, is that illegal?


Are there any exceptions to who is covered by Title VII’s religion provisions?

Yes. While Title VII’s jurisdictional rules apply to all religious discrimination claims under the statute, see EEOC Compliance Manual, “Threshold Issues,” https://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/threshold.html, specially-defined “religious organizations” and “religious educational institutions” are exempt from certain religious discrimination provisions, and a “ministerial exception” bars Title VII claims by employees who serve in clergy roles.


Thank you for rubbing some fact on me, I stand corrected.
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:47:57 PM
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darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.



apparently yes. that was it the whole time, he just wanted to mask his hate behind the guise of "defending free speech"

the problem was just that nobody's right to free speech was violated and he ended up looking like an ass before he could bring the topic around to that point.
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Cacciato
07/19/17 8:48:59 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Zeus posted...
darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.


Zeus accusing other people of not understanding something is pretty funny.

Your rebuttal, @Zeus?
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Troll_Police_
07/19/17 8:50:06 PM
#33:


Cacciato posted...
Erik_P posted...
Zeus posted...
darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.


Zeus accusing other people of not understanding something is pretty funny.

Your rebuttal, @Zeus?


allow me


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Smarkil
07/19/17 8:50:43 PM
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Lokarin posted...

Thank you for rubbing some fact on me, I stand corrected.


It's worth noting that other professors have been fired from the school for saying shit the school didn't like either that were not religiously motivated.

There was a dude who was fired for espousing 9/11 truther bullshit at one point some years back. This school is hyper annoying about its image.
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Zeus
07/19/17 8:53:09 PM
#35:


Cacciato posted...
Erik_P posted...
Zeus posted...
darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.


Zeus accusing other people of not understanding something is pretty funny.

Your rebuttal, @ Zeus?


It's Erik. Literally nothing else needs to be said.

More importantly, don't quote people and mention me to get around my ignore list.
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TyVulpine
07/19/17 8:53:49 PM
#36:


Jen0125 posted...
free speech =/= freedom from consequences


Smarkil posted...
Lokarin posted...

Thank you for rubbing some fact on me, I stand corrected.


It's worth noting that other professors have been fired from the school for saying shit the school didn't like either that were not religiously motivated.

There was a dude who was fired for espousing 9/11 truther bullshit at one point some years back. This school is hyper annoying about its image.

Alex Jones?
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Cacciato
07/19/17 8:56:46 PM
#37:


Zeus posted...
Cacciato posted...
Erik_P posted...
Zeus posted...
darcandkharg31 posted...
Does Lokarin really care about free speech or is this about religion again? He has a hard on for it.


I don't think he understands the difference between speech and religion.


Zeus accusing other people of not understanding something is pretty funny.

Your rebuttal, @ Zeus?


It's Erik. Literally nothing else needs to be said.

More importantly, don't quote people and mention me to get around my ignore list.

@Erik_P, your turn.
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darcandkharg31
07/19/17 8:57:57 PM
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^^ lookit dis instigator, instigating and shizz.
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Erik_P
07/19/17 8:58:45 PM
#39:


Keep on quoting me Cacciato so @Zeus keeps throwing a fit.
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Cacciato
07/19/17 9:13:05 PM
#40:


Erik_P posted...
Keep on quoting me Cacciato so @Zeus keeps throwing a fit.

I edited it, but originally his post said you suck dick, Zeus.
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TyVulpine
07/19/17 9:13:24 PM
#41:


darcandkharg31 posted...
^^ lookit dis instigator, instigating and shizz.

Edit: it was Stephen Jones that was fired from BYU for espousing 9/11 Truther shit.
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Zeus
07/19/17 9:24:14 PM
#42:


green dragon posted...
Here's something that I've always been a little bit shaky on. And please excuse me for my ignorance.

Let's say a person works for the government. They say something or post something, while at home and on their free time, that their employer, the government, does not approve of (let's say it's not offensive and harms no one else).

The government then fires that employee.

Can that happen? I wanna say no, but this post:


It depends on what's said and how it's said but, generally speaking, even the government has the ability to fire people for making comments that violate agreed-upon conduct policies. Granted, it may actually be illegal in cases because a lot of government workers don't really understand the law. For instance, when I was younger I applied for a job at the library and they wanted to give me 3 hour shits which is illegal under CT state law (the minimum is 4). Naturally, when I pointed out it was illegal, I didn't get the job.

green dragon posted...
Zeus posted...
However, even at a government-run university, you can still be fired for saying stuff


Kinda confuse me. I mean, I have heard of profs getting fired for saying dumb shit, but is it because the government doesn't actually run the university and only provides funding that covers only a small chunk of what it takes to run a university?

Or is it because a university can fire whoever they want to to protect their image?


The government technically does run some universities. As for "is it legal?" that's more a question for the courts. Universities have policies that staff and students sign, but they're not always constitutional. And, in general, certain categories of speech enjoy greater protections than others.

Cacciato posted...
Erik_P posted...
Keep on quoting me Cacciato so @ Zeus keeps throwing a fit.

I edited it, but originally his post said you suck dick, Zeus.


If you keep pulling this nonsense, I'm just going to block you for a month or two.
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Erik_P
07/19/17 9:26:26 PM
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Do it Zeus I dare you! I double dog dare you!
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