Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 2 - My life came like dew

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Oddity posted...

What's wrong with it? He's using his vote like I use my vote. You put it on who you think is the scummiest. He happens to think you're the scummiest. It's day freaking 1.

I wish people would stop having empathy. Scare isn't you.
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Sceptile feels awfully pissy this game.

That's right, that's the other part of your argument. Town Scare always uses logic and facts to do his votes. I can't remember if that one is true tbqh.
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Oddity posted...

Wow, really trying to be inoffensive, are we?

Some amount of hyperbole is allowable to persuade others. My aim with that post isn't to offend you.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Sceptile feels awfully pissy this game.

Sceptile is a bit aggressive a lot of the time, from my experience.

Oddity posted...

That's right, that's the other part of your argument. Town Scare always uses logic and facts to do his votes. I can't remember if that one is true tbqh.

Moreso too because it is me. Like, Scare saying 'I am not trying to convince people chris is scum' is uh.
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So how long have chris and scare been at this. I still have a good chunk of the first topic to read but this has totally dominated everything since i arrived.

Only got 14 people to talk about, might as well be Scare.
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Ok

##unvote
##vote:scare
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Anyway red you are going need to be super on the ball, paranoia of scum Leo throwing in the towel is strong. Just a heads up.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Some amount of hyperbole is allowable to persuade others. My aim with that post isn't to offend you.

To be honest, you're really trying to discredit me. No shame in admitting it, I voted you. But I'd much prefer you straight up admit that than dance around the subject.
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I think that was him admitting it.
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AH, for some reason I thought that was directed at persuading me. Silly me. But yah, does anybody else have recent experience with town scare? I mean, I have ancient experience with town scare but it's all a little fuzzy.
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maybe an archived game I could dive through.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway red you are going need to be super on the ball, paranoia of scum Leo throwing in the towel is strong. Just a heads up.

I mean, duh?

Just dont start expecting me to be sitting here all day tomorrow.

Nah I won't touch you today.
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Nah, I'm not wrong about scare. I don't see any reason for scum scare to cling to this argument so hard so flimsily. Scum scare should be able to fabricate something better than chess board. Think I'm going to go to bed.

##Vote: Sceptile
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I said i wasn't using my argument to sway anyone, not that I didn't want people to sway onto Chris . I don't have an argument, I have red flags telling me Chris is scum
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At least we can agree that you have no argument. Your flags are nonsensical too though.
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Hold up. I want to get something straight here. Sharing constructive thoughts about the game is not useless, nor is it fluff. Attack it for sounding scummy, whatever. But what's been happening? I guess the best way to put it is you're "attacking fluff with fluff".

I'm leaning Chris town. He feels much more open to input from everyone else...or less 'im leader of town stfu'? than what I saw from GoT mafia (I observed a little bit of the previous game)
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tag
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##Unvote;
##Vote: Scare

I don't think I've liked a single thing he's said all day.

Chris said something to the effect of

Seriously can we all pause and note Scare just said he isn't trying to sway people that I am scum.

Can we just all think about that statement and let it roll in our minds.

I honestly can't see scum Scare ever saying that.

I am always wary of people calling Chris town so lightly, so early.
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...I'm an idiot.

##Unvote;
##Vote: Scept
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I am worried about people going on Sceptile mostly because he's kind of abrasive. Not sure if people are seeing scum or abrasive when voting.
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Scare strikes me more as flailing town than scum but I am fuzzy on his playstyle so Chris may be on to something
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Oddity posted...

The way I understand VI's argument is this: he kind of fades into the background. What Phoenix did is very probably going to garner attention because it's so fluffy. People don't like him for offering so little content as evidenced by my own vote. If his strategy as mafia is to just not post a lot and be inoffensive, he's doing a terrible job of that. If I'm interpreting VI's argument correctly I agree with his conclusion.

Eh, not quite. I think he was playing a little differently at the start because he was drawing attention to himself, but I always saw him as just being super in the background and I was able to pick him off on that.


DoomTheGyarados posted...

Nah you don't need to pry, it's just I think a scum leo is much more likely to drop out than a town leo, and there's nothing you can say to change my mind about that. Willing to play fair with you though for now.

Anyway the problem for Scare is this:

ScareChan posted...

Oddity posted...

Scare: is this because of last game or something? Maybe I should just go back and reread your arguments, I think you did discuss this but I might have forgotten it because I don't have context.

Yes the things that are bothering me are things that he is doing this game that is reminding me of his actions of last game where he was scum

Let's just pause and note this phrasing is a complete lie.

He mentioned my magic trick bothered him but he said himself it bothered him because of something not I did, but my scum buddy did. So immediately he is not telling the truth here on that. Not only that but if you examine what my scum buddy did, what my reaction to what my buddy did was, and even what I did here the only relation between them is I posted names. Not intent, not style, not substance, nothing is the same except I posted names and so I have real trouble believing Scare found that connection organically.

Secondly I also have real trouble with the chessboard problem because my use of the word chessboard in the sentence I did it was completely different than the manipulative way I built chessboards to mess with town last game, as VI can hopefully supply given he was one of them.

Are you talking about the list you asked about "easy mislynches" last game? Or that post Day 2 about the content of players? Regardless, I think the intent that you gave is quite different than in the past game where you construed a list in a scum way for town players to answer.
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No, he is talking about Puns' list to start the game.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am worried about people going on Sceptile mostly because he's kind of abrasive. Not sure if people are seeing scum or abrasive when voting.

I was using the term abrasive to describe sceptile when I kind of took an unintentional nap(I was reading the game, watching the dodgers pummel the white sox on the couch and just got a little too comfortable). Definitely feels like he woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, but I'm seeing it as mostly a null tell either way.
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Although VI if Scare HAD mentioned that instead of puns list that would have made sense.

But he didn't lol <_<
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Ah, didn't understand the context.

I feel like Scare's play is pretty odd but I read his latest post and it makes me think his only argument against you is gut. Does he have a big reason to have extensive fear of you?
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Also someone is posting as "Obellisk" and I have no idea who it is.
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Sbell, as the sig says.
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VeryInsane posted...

Ah, didn't understand the context.

I feel like Scare's play is pretty odd but I read his latest post and it makes me think his only argument against you is gut. Does he have a big reason to have extensive fear of you?

VI re-ask that question in your head and remember to whom you speak.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sbell, as the sig says.

The sig is just
"(\__/)
(='.'=]"

on the posts I'm reading. Does he change it later?
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...Oh, right.

And yeah, SBell changes it page 7 of topic 1.
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I mean it is possible Scare has just decided to not play well but when judging skilled players such as myself or scare 'man they seem off' is usually 'oh, scum'
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Also I've seen them check in on it a few times but it was early. I want to know what the roommates think of each other by now since we are a good chunk into the day(For those of you that don't know, the track record on this is pretty ridiculous. And I'm pretty sure they weren't cheating when they were actual roommates).
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ScareChan posted...

I don't have an argument.

This is so true. But you couldn't admit that earlier.

I initially thought Scare was town with bad reasons. Not as convinced. But right now I'm trying to reread the Sceptile and Oddity back and forth. A few hours of math research can eff with your head.

red13n posted...

Also I've seen them check in on it a few times but it was early. I want to know what the roommates think of each other by now since we are a good chunk into the day(For those of you that don't know, the track record on this is pretty ridiculous. And I'm pretty sure they weren't cheating when they were actual roommates).

I've already stated Tom is town. Pretty early on, like within the first two pages I think.
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red13n posted...

Also I've seen them check in on it a few times but it was early. I want to know what the roommates think of each other by now since we are a good chunk into the day(For those of you that don't know, the track record on this is pretty ridiculous. And I'm pretty sure they weren't cheating when they were actual roommates).

Tom is like the least likely to cheat person I know. He's lawful good all the way. I lean more neutral good.
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man.

who would cheat over a game of mafia.

besides, why cheat when you can cast sly glances and cackle maniacally?
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Ok, I reread both the Oddity and Scept stuff. And I reread the Scare and Chris stuff.

Chris, I think as far as his interactions with you, they're just wrong. People are wrong sometimes. And vehemently wrong. I mean look at all the people who voted for Trump. I actually think his interactions with Plum are more scummy. Because he admit that the first vote was more like a protest vote. He hates it when people don't read their roles. But when it's cleared up that Plum did actually read his role and was joking, Scare sticks on him. That's kind of iffy.

Oddity: I think he's like Tom a bit here. Tom can be swayed to vote in particular ways if you repeatedly ask. I feel like Oddity got swayed to his vote on Scare. But that's a null tell. Because if Scare is town and Oddity were scum, I think he could still be swayed to vote.

That last sentence is sort of what I hoped was going to happen with this lynch train. I was really hoping LoLo, Dowolf, Phoenix, or Death would join the hype on Scare.
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Political discussion stays in the containment topic. Keep that out of here.
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Also I'm reading back and you guys are killing me with this chessboard talk.
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would you prefer a Go board?
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Ok so I finally hit where I replaced in. Following that is a big scare/chris argument that drags on until about now. Only real other thing of note since then is Oddity comes in, hates sceptile for being a jerk, sceptile moves to oddity when oddity moves off him to scare. Not the most complex of interactions there.

Honestly, the post that kind of caught my eyes was pretty early on in the day where SBell is calling Chris and Scare town. That was so early in the day that there hadn't been a whole lot of real interaction between those two yet(scare particularly), but sbell just up and calls them town.

Then no one really responds to that part of the post, which I find quite odd. And almost immediately after is where chris really starts labeling scare as scum(Literally the only person in chris' scumpile) and sbell says nothing on that.

I'm talking myself in circles a little bit here in my head so forgive me, but the interactions around that point bother the fuck out of me.
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dowolf posted...

would you prefer a Go board?

dowolf you haven't said shit this entire game and that is the post you are going to make?
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Like, I literally got lost in my thoughts and left out the part of my post that was going to say "Other random thoughts: Dowolf hasnt done shit".
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(on similar note, I couldn't tell you a thing about lolo and until recently VI was pretty absent.)
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I know this is like 8 hours ago now and I am probably not the first to react to this but it bothers me too greatly

Oddity posted...

It's VI's read, not mine. And I'm reading him pretty towny atm. I put faith in others' arguments (SHOCK! GASP!)

you're not gonna try and shape your own opinion on Phoenix?
because it sounds to me like you're calling someone town just because someone else is
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0aIhQdfnZL6

You tell me, Oddity.

*twitch*

at least its about the previous game
also its funny (and sad because Puns still won)

ScareChan posted...

Oddity posted...

Besides the chessboard, what other reasons do you think he's scum?

.The only other reads I have right now is I dont like Plum, I do like Tom and I do like Pez. two town, tow scums, and Chris scares me the most. What else do you want me to be doing?

well thats not really an answer to that question, his reasons for voting Chris seem to grow weaker and more tunnely every hour
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hmm
dont think that was a slip from sceptile, but I do not agree with him that the Scare argument is hard too follow
in fact its almost too simple too follow when Scare's only been presenting two points each time

my gut doesnt like the switch to sceptile either, his posts dont read so terrible.. just grumpy

also oh man that Oddity unvote and quick flipflop on Scare
and thats after Oddity started to talk about how he doesnt remember that much chrisfear too

tempted to vote Oddity more than Scare right now, he calls someone else trying to be inoffensive but to me he looks like he is trying too hard to be meek
but he could totally be scumbuds with Scare

time to see for myself how Chris used the word 'chessboard' in FFC (and if he used it too in Puns game)
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