Board 8 > ~~Japanese History~~ Mafia Topic 2 - My life came like dew

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yes but he is voting for Scare now so you are going to have to table that, Sceptile.

Just like how you tabled him calling you scum? I'm not willing to do that.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Oddity

Everything you are saying reads so badly to me. You posted a bad scum list, are flip-flopping a bunch, and are really willing to buy arguments that you don't believe or even understand and then use those arguments as a reason for suspicion.

I mean, really. You can't keep piggybacking on other people's arguments and then not defending them because you 'put faith in others' arguments'. That's NOT a town attitude.

Yes it is.

People would be better if they realized they were bad at the game and just followed people they had Town tells on
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Votals as of post #100 (Chris)

[2] pezloco - (Chris), Plum, SBell
[2] Scare - Chris, Oddity
[2] Oddity - KBM, Sceptile
[1] Chris - Scare
[1] Phoenix - Dowolf, (Oddity)
[1] Sceptile - (Oddity), Lolo, (Oddity), (Oddity)
[1] Lolo - Tombolo
[1] VeryInsane - Phoenix
[1] No Lynch - (Tombolo), pezloco
[0] Dowolf - (Sceptile)
[0] Plum - (Scare)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Day ends at 9:00:00 PM Eastern on Thursday (About 24 hours and 25 minutes)
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Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yes but he is voting for Scare now so you are going to have to table that, Sceptile.

Just like how you tabled him calling you scum? I'm not willing to do that.

I ninjad you.
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masterplum posted...

People would be better if they realized they were bad at the game and just followed people they had Town tells on

If they're bad at the game then they shouldn't be trusting their Town tells so readily...
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Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!
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Sceptilesolar posted...

masterplum posted...

People would be better if they realized they were bad at the game and just followed people they had Town tells on

If they're bad at the game then they shouldn't be trusting their Town tells so readily...

Then just listen to good players and take the 70% chance
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I put him on the scumish list. Meaning I have no real reason to find him scummy I just read him that way.

Maybe I should explain myeslf. Me and Chris have a history. I have duped him as scum and he has duped me (more of the latter, really because there's only one example of the former). So for Chris, I always default towards scummy, just because he's a scary player that can dupe me. However, if Chris is town he's extremely good at reading these kinds of things and picks up on logical inconsistencies. Just because I put somebody on my scum list does not mean I'm going to stop listening to them. I listen to everybody so that I can justify their actions in my head.
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Anyway Sceptile what do you think of my notes on Scare's argument? Oddity can be just bussing Scare in theory so don't let that poison your well.
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Oddity posted...

I put him on the scumish list. Meaning I have no real reason to find him scummy I just read him that way.

Maybe I should explain myeslf. Me and Chris have a history. I have duped him as scum and he has duped me (more of the latter, really because there's only one example of the former). So for Chris, I always default towards scummy, just because he's a scary player that can dupe me. However, if Chris is town he's extremely good at reading these kinds of things and picks up on logical inconsistencies. Just because I put somebody on my scum list does not mean I'm going to stop listening to them. I listen to everybody so that I can justify their actions in my head.

Name 3 games I have fooled you.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.

Why do you think I am town?
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Wanglicious' disastrous game, actually... maybe we're one for one. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Sceptile what do you think of my notes on Scare's argument? Oddity can be just bussing Scare in theory so don't let that poison your well.

I don't understand the argument you are having with Scare, so I've been ignoring it. I read your notes and it still doesn't make sense to me. I feel you are digging too deep.
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Oddity posted...

Wanglicious' disastrous game, actually... maybe we're one for one. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

You realize that looks awful for you, right.

Mostly because you didn't name the game where I cleaned everyone's clocks 2 games ago that I am pretty sure you were in.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.

Why do you think I am town?

I didn't say you were.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.

They are completely separate reads. Someone not acting Towny != acting scummy. If I went the entire day without posting that would not be towny, but it wouldn't be scummy either. It would just be suicidal
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which game was that?
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Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Anyway Sceptile what do you think of my notes on Scare's argument? Oddity can be just bussing Scare in theory so don't let that poison your well.

I don't understand the argument you are having with Scare, so I've been ignoring it. I read your notes and it still doesn't make sense to me. I feel you are digging too deep.

Okay pause, rewind, we're not doing this. What you just said isn't happening. You don't get to not play mafia today, Sceptile.

Re-read what I have said about Scare's arguments last page please.
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Oddity posted...

which game was that?

Puns mafia.
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I don't think I was in puns mafia.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.

Why do you think I am town?

I didn't say you were.

You said Oddity is latching onto town. Explain?

Meanwhile I have hit the 2 posts a minute limit, ergh.

And again. Why do I post too fast sometimes zzz...

Oh god an extra line every time I retry, this is sad.
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Oddity posted...

I don't think I was in puns mafia.

Hm hm hm. I thought I remember playing with you this year. Was it the one time I was town maybe? I've been in 3 games and its been 2 scum 1 town. Possible it was the town game.
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masterplum posted...

For some reason I am having a really hard time following this conversation between oddity and Chris

Not sure if because I am sick or it is confusing

there have been several of these for me this game I am not sure what is up
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Oddity how are you voting me when you yourself said Chrisfear plays a part in your reads and I gave two reasons to trigger my own chris fear

Like I dont expect anyone to go Oh yeah chris said chessboard lynch him

I am just explaining why I feel chris is scum through my own eyes


Why is this so hard
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Yah I'm pretty sure we played town together one game. Definitely think I remember that.
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Besides the chessboard, what other reasons do you think he's scum?
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Loving Chris this game. Which possibly means he is scum!


As an aside, When can we expect the bulletproof claim Chris? Is it going to be late day 1 or are you going to chance it later?
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Ah my bad then. Anyway you have to admit it is weird that you say 'I have Chris phobia' when you can only think of one example where I fooled you. It is why I poked at that, it doesn't add up. Your whole reasoning doesn't look good but I won't let that sully my thoughts on Scare.

Anyway you really only gave 1. Like as the leading expert of Chrisfear your point about the list is so painfully invalid. The chessboard one is silly at best too but I am willing to 'let that go' for pity's sake but the list one is just nonsense.
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Second paragraph was to Scare. That was confusing.
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Oddity posted...

Besides the chessboard, what other reasons do you think he's scum?

.The only other reads I have right now is I dont like Plum, I do like Tom and I do like Pez. two town, tow scums, and Chris scares me the most. What else do you want me to be doing?
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Anyway Plum this is where you vote Scare with me and put the big squeeze on him.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Second paragraph was to Scare. That was confusing.

Chris in jigsaw voice "I want to play agame"


Like really? Yes it gave me pause for concern. But Its more of just something to add to suspicion than outright say its scummy. It was concering but something I waswilling to see where it went. it only looks worse to me after thechessboard thing
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Okay pause, rewind, we're not doing this. What you just said isn't happening. You don't get to not play mafia today, Sceptile.

Re-read what I have said about Scare's arguments last page please.

No. Make an easier to follow argument first.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sceptilesolar posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Town reads and scum reads are two very different things. I am not always the best at scum tells but my town tells are really strong!

I really don't see that. If you can't tell scum from town, I don't see how you can tell town from scum. It's zero-sum.

Besides, latching onto Town is something scum likes to do. That's why I think Oddity is scum. Even if it's rational to do it as Town, Town doesn't behave rationally anyway.

Why do you think I am town?

I didn't say you were.

You said Oddity is latching onto town. Explain

He's latching onto a bunch of people. You, Scare, VI. Feels like if he is scum he would profit from doing that to Town.
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Right and I am saying it is invalid that it was even concerning. You didn't mention it and then when you did it makes no sense for you to have thought it.

Also the chessboard thing, since you insist on bringing it up, doesn't make sense either. The way I used the term chessboard this game was in its usual use of the term. I talked about tilting and flipping the chessboard, where chessboard is a term for the game state and a fairly good one. What I did last game was manipulate perception by presuming things about the game state (ie chessboard) to lead town down a bad conclusion.

Basically all I have to do with you is just keep pointing until people go "Ooooooh" in realization and vote you.
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Sceptile you are so far the only one saying it isn't easy to follow. What don't you understand?

Also he is surely not latching onto Scare given he is voting the man.
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Hmmm... chrisfear is real... but... chess board seems weird to me. If anything it's a nulltell.

On the other hand... hmmm... Does scare cling to this argument if he's scum?

Chrisfear doesn't have to be rational. I was really upset after that Wanglicious game. I nailed you with what I thought were good arguments but my weak position in town caused me to buckle under town pressure and I always regretted never sticking to my guns in that game. But I mean, it was a freaking Wanglicious game.

##Unvote

I have to think about this...
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Oddity posted...

Hmmm... chrisfear is real... but... chess board seems weird to me. If anything it's a nulltell.

On the other hand... hmmm... Does scare cling to this argument if he's scum?

Chrisfear doesn't have to be rational. I was really upset after that Wanglicious game. I nailed you with what I thought were good arguments but my weak position in town caused me to buckle under town pressure and I always regretted never sticking to my guns in that game. But I mean, it was a freaking Wanglicious game.

##Unvote

I have to think about this...

Holy shit maybe they are scumbuddies.
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Scare successfully confuses me to hell with like every post of his i read this game. Is he ok?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Sceptile you are so far the only one saying it isn't easy to follow. What don't you understand?

Also he is surely not latching onto Scare given he is voting the man.

Everything you say about chessboards is completely beyond my ability to parse.

And he did follow Scare initially by acting like he bought his argument on you, prior to voting you.
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Voting Scare, I mean. My phone posting is not doing wonders for my own comprehensibility.
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Im not trying to sway anyone with my argument. When I have something that is daming on chris I will let everyone know. I am just saying why i think he is scum. If you rather I would say "gut" then take it as gut, but there is reasoning for this gut
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Ah okay.

The chessboard discussion is because last game I used the term to manipulate town to conclusions. It is a metaphor for the game we are playing. The chessboard is 'the game of mafia' and when I talk about flipping the board or tilting it I am talking about gaining new perspective. Scare is supposing that because I used the term 'chessboard' this game and I did so last game it is a scum tell of me to use the term chessboard and is voting me for it.

I think that's rather silly of Scare given how well he knows me.
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ScareChan posted...

Im not trying to sway anyone with my argument. When I have something that is daming on chris I will let everyone know. I am just saying why i think he is scum. If you rather I would say "gut" then take it as gut, but there is reasoning for this gut

Town Scare totally tries to get people to murder me if he thinks I am scum. Look at this epic hedging, red. "I am not trying to sway anyone that the most dangerous scum player is scum." Town doesn't say this, scum trying to cover their guts because they picked the wrong day to tangle with town chris says this.
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I'm a little insulted you think I would do that as his scumbuddy... frankly, I'm more likely to bury scumbuddies than bail them out. It nets you townpoints.
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Seriously can we all pause and note Scare just said he isn't trying to sway people that I am scum.

Can we just all think about that statement and let it roll in our minds.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Ah okay.

The chessboard discussion is because last game I used the term to manipulate town to conclusions. It is a metaphor for the game we are playing. The chessboard is 'the game of mafia' and when I talk about flipping the board or tilting it I am talking about gaining new perspective. Scare is supposing that because I used the term 'chessboard' this game and I did so last game it is a scum tell of me to use the term chessboard and is voting me for it.

I think that's rather silly of Scare given how well he knows me.

Ah. Okay, I follow. I think you have used that metaphor in past games I've played with you, so I wouldn't credit it as an argument. I don't know if he's.making a weak argument because he's scum though.
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What's wrong with it? He's using his vote like I use my vote. You put it on who you think is the scummiest. He happens to think you're the scummiest. It's day freaking 1.
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Oddity posted...

What's wrong with it? He's using his vote like I use my vote. You put it on who you think is the scummiest. He happens to think you're the scummiest. It's day freaking 1.

In your case, it would be putting your vote on who someone tells you is the scummiest, unless it's the second Tuesday of a month.
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Wow, really trying to be inoffensive, are we?
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