Poll of the Day > Who do you think will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

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Who do you think will be the Democratic Party nominee in 2020?

I'd imagine The Rock would run Republican, depending on whether Trump seeks re-election and how much support Trump can get if he does. AFAIK Dwayne Johnson is Republican, though.
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The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I don't disagree, but I will say that it wasn't just Hillary that lost that election for her. The entire Democratic Party underestimated Trump. Plenty of blame to go around. They didn't campaign hard enough, like, at all. Trump was busting his ass going to all these remote areas to drum up support. Say what you will about Trump, but he campaigned his ass off. I can almost guarantee that the Dems won't make that mistake again, trying to coast to a victory.

Also, Trump's approval ratings are abysmal. For these reasons, I could see Clinton running again. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea and I doubt it will happen, but it's not beyond the realm of probability.
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Far-Queue posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I don't disagree, but I will say that it wasn't just Hillary that lost that election for her. The entire Democratic Party underestimated Trump. Plenty of blame to go around. They didn't campaign hard enough, like, at all. Trump was busting his ass going to all these remote areas to drum up support. Say what you will about Trump, but he campaigned his ass off. I can almost guarantee that the Dems won't make that mistake again, trying to coast to a victory.

Also, Trump's approval ratings are abysmal. For these reasons, I could see Clinton running again. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea and I doubt it will happen, but it's not beyond the realm of probability.

It was her fault. She let her campaign run the bernie bros bull shit. She spent months calling the people she would later need to depend on for votes sexist.

The DNC was corrupt as hell, but the campaign Hillary ran was idiotic. She ran like she was owed votes.

I am hoping whoever they run, they learn from the Obama and Trump victories that people want fresh blood, not people who have spent the last 30 - 50 years in politics and have no clue what is actually going on outside of Washington DC.
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Far-Queue posted...

I'd imagine The Rock would run Republican, depending on whether Trump seeks re-election and how much support Trump can get if he does. AFAIK Dwayne Johnson is Republican, though.

He's a mainstream Hollywood celebrity. Knowing nothing else I would be very surprised if he turned out to be conservative leaning. Trump wasn't solely endorsed by has-beens, wack-jobs, and loser celebrities because the popular Republican ones didn't want to endorse him, it was because they don't exist.

It's way too early to really predict much. Most of the obvious choices are going to be way too old. Warren could possibly run but I feel like it's unlikely given her unwillingness and that she'll be into her 70s. The C tiers that were involved last time like Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley could get involved again but...meh. Maybe Kamala Harris? She's already got some presence and unless she implodes in the next two or three years she's got as much legitimacy as anyone else who could run right now.

The rock is absolutely republican
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Too early to tell at this point, but I'd guess Warren.

Although hopefully she won't even be a senator anymore by then.
At the Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/12/elizabeth-warren-takes-salvo-from-rival-shiva-ayya/

A Real Indian vs. the Fake Indian. ^.^
It'll be very tough for him to win -- Massachusetts is one of the bluest states of all -- but miracles occasionally happen. Remember Scott Brown, in the very same seat?




As for the claim that all of the celebrities are Democrats ...
the same site has a feature story listing thirty who aren't, including
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/conservatives-hollywood-celebrities-lean-right/?page=4

^.^

The article appears to be from 2014; none of the pictures are newer than that, unless I missed one or two.



The twenty-fourth celebrity listed might be of interest as well. ^.~
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Far-Queue posted...

I'd imagine The Rock would run Republican, depending on whether Trump seeks re-election and how much support Trump can get if he does. AFAIK Dwayne Johnson is Republican, though.

From my understanding, he's an independent. He's been to both the DNC and RNC big shindigs
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Dwayne Johnson is independent. But he is more viable to run against Trump than any other candidate the Democrat Party has. Trump ran as 3rd party in 2000 , ran in 2012 as Republican, won in 2016 as Republican. Johnson said he his opinion holds a ton of sway. I would vote for Dwayne Johnson over Trump.

If Biden ran in 2016, Biden would be president.
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SmokeMassTree posted...

The rock is absolutely republican

And Trump was a Democrat supporter for most of his life (and actually friends with the Clintons - they were guests at his last wedding, remember), but that didn't stop him from running as a Republican when he realized he had a better chance of winning as a Republican than a Democrat.

Michael Bloomberg in NYC was pretty much the same - he was a Democrat until he realized that wasn't going to work for him, then he became a Republican (and won), and then he switched to Independent after his second term because he never actually give a fuck (and could finally stop pretending that he did).

That's the main reason why people invented terms like RINO (Republican in Name Only) and DINO (Democrat in Name Only). A lot of people have gone with/switched to parties where they perceive their odds of winning are better, and since this is politics, they're going to lie about their intentions and ideology to get elected anyway, so who cares?

If Dwayne actually wants to run for real, he'd probably be far better off running as a Democrat than a Republican next time around. Or at least do a bit of pandering to a few of the traditional Democratic voter-base demos (like, you know, black people) while simultaneously endorsing a slightly more Republican-flavored platform that also repudiates Trump.

But the biggest reason why he would probably run as a Democrat is because the political parties are traditionally kind of loathe to run opposition against sitting Presidents. Which means that, unless his overall approval rating is somewhere in the single digits at the time, the Republicans will probably just run Trump again for a second term.



BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

Wouldn't be the first time Democrats pretty much had the election delivered to them on a gift-wrapped platter and they still managed to fuck it up by picking the worst possible candidate (*cough*John Kerry*cough*). Then again, it's not as if Republicans haven't done stupid things of their own along those lines (*cough*Mitt fucking Romney*cough*).

It was supposed to be her "destiny" to win in 2008 and Obama fucked it up for her. So she was pretty much the hand-picked successor for 2016 and that got fucked up, too. I can easily see her running again in 2020, even if she has to be on life-support or become a cyborg to do so.

She doesn't give a single shit if the Democrats win, she just cares if Hillary wins. And she's going to keep running and causing problems until she's dead (and even then, we may have to cut her head off when we bury her, drive a stake through her heart, and surround the body with garlic, just to be safe).


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Far-Queue posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I don't disagree, but I will say that it wasn't just Hillary that lost that election for her.

She was absolutely a massive factor, though. I'd be willing to make the argument that if almost ANYONE other than Hillary had run on the Democrat side, they probably would have won.

For every "I don't like Hillary but I'd rather vote for her than Trump" comment you heard before the election, there were just as many (if not more) "I don't like Trump but I'd rather vote for her than Hillary" comments. And keep in mind, the Internet (where you heard most of these comments) ABSOLUTELY skews pretty hard Left. There were almost certainly a ton of people with the "Anyone but Hillary" sentiment who simply weren't voicing it because they don't spend all their time on social media sites posting their political views.

Then factor in the Bernie supporters who loathed her so much they either tossed votes away on third parties, wrote in Bernie regardless, or voted Trump specifically to spite her. Then siphon off the votes of people who would never vote for her because she has a personality that rubs a lot of people the wrong way (so does Trump, to be honest, but there's kind of a difference between theatrical scumbag and genuinely evil bitch, and there are almost certainly people who saw it that way).

And then consider the issue of "Faithless Electors". After Trump won, tons of people were screaming and begging the Electors to "do the right thing" and refuse to vote for Trump in the Electoral College vote, even if it meant going against the popular votes in their states. Which DID happen - there were more Faithless Electors in this election than any point in the last 100 years, and it fell within the top six of all-time US history... except the vast majority of them were Electors who were supposed to vote for Hillary who voted for Trump instead. That is almost an unheard-of amount of hate for the woman (and it's not BECAUSE she's a woman, no matter how hard people tried to spin things that way afterward. It's because she's that SPECIFIC woman).

The Democrats could have run a houseplant and gotten better results than they did with Hillary. She's proven time-and-time again that while she can galvanize the party core supporters, she cannot translate that into success when it actually matters. Too many people ACTIVELY DISLIKE HER.

The Democrats are probably going to sweep a lot of seats during the mid-term elections, and will have a fantastic shot at winning in 2020. But if they run Hillary again, there's a distinct possibility everyone is going to need to strap in for a second term of Trump, and Democrats will have only themselves to blame.

If I were Democratic leadership, I'd start trying to figure out a strong candidate RIGHT NOW, and start seeding for their campaign very, very soon. Have it so that, by the time 2020 gets here, everyone already sees that candidate as the anointed savior who is destined to run, and win, and fix all the boo-boos.

Because if they run Hillary again (or, god help them, Bernie again), they're stone cold fucked.


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Far-Queue posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I don't disagree, but I will say that it wasn't just Hillary that lost that election for her. The entire Democratic Party underestimated Trump. Plenty of blame to go around. They didn't campaign hard enough, like, at all. Trump was busting his ass going to all these remote areas to drum up support. Say what you will about Trump, but he campaigned his ass off. I can almost guarantee that the Dems won't make that mistake again, trying to coast to a victory.

Also, Trump's approval ratings are abysmal. For these reasons, I could see Clinton running again. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea and I doubt it will happen, but it's not beyond the realm of probability.

The republicans underestimated Trump in the primaries. Nobody thought he would get past them and he would drop early. And when he won everyone was saying he wont get President. That whole election was surprising
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

If I were Democratic leadership, I'd start trying to figure out a strong candidate RIGHT NOW, and start seeding for their campaign very, very soon. Have it so that, by the time 2020 gets here, everyone already sees that candidate as the anointed savior who is destined to run, and win, and fix all the boo-boos.

ROFLMAO. Being the anointed one is one of the reasons people voted against Hillary. The DNC can't be stupid enough to try that again, can they?

HillChange posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

If I were Democratic leadership, I'd start trying to figure out a strong candidate RIGHT NOW, and start seeding for their campaign very, very soon. Have it so that, by the time 2020 gets here, everyone already sees that candidate as the anointed savior who is destined to run, and win, and fix all the boo-boos.

ROFLMAO. Being the anointed one is one of the reasons people voted against Hillary. The DNC can't be stupid enough to try that again, can they?

Yep. And as the saying goes familiarity breeds contempt. People have seen too much of her. If she runs again, she'll lose by more

what makes anyone think the fucking Rock could be president? i realize we all hate politicians, but can we not go down this road of celebrities running for president?
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

what makes anyone think the fucking Rock could be president? i realize we all hate politicians, but can we not go down this road of celebrities running for president?

Its not a new thing.

RFC22 posted...

Dwayne Johnson is independent. But he is more viable to run against Trump than any other candidate the Democrat Party has. Trump ran as 3rd party in 2000 , ran in 2012 as Republican, won in 2016 as Republican. Johnson said he his opinion holds a ton of sway. I would vote for Dwayne Johnson over Trump.

If Biden ran in 2016, Biden would be president.

This. I just do not understand why they assumed Hillary was a lock. She has never been very well liked. The lengths the DNC had to go to to force her into the lead should've indicated that she was a terrible choice.
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HillChange posted...

ROFLMAO. Being the anointed one is one of the reasons people voted against Hillary. The DNC can't be stupid enough to try that again, can they?

There are huge number of possible options between "We are forcing this person down your throat whether you like it or not" and "We are a massive clusterfuck of idiots bumbling around in a dark room". Unfortunately, those seem to be the two main strategies of both parties these days.

You can't throw a bunch of randos into a room during the primaries and wait for one of them to win. Politics is almost entirely a PR game these days, which means you need to start building smart PR long before that. And that PR needs to focus on someone who has actual charisma and seems both professional and competent as well. You can't just take a loathsome c*** and try to slap a new paint job on them 20 minutes before their campaign starts.

The goal is to present someone who seems like the perfect candidate, who will blow through the primaries because everyone will WANT to vote for them, not picking someone that a lot of people hate and telling them they'll vote for her anyway if they know what's good for them. Or waiting until after a vicious primary battle where everyone shits on each other before putting your support behind one candidate.

It's the difference between treating the voter-base like a petulant child who needs to be coaxed, manipulated, or outright ordered to do their chores, and being a marketing company whose job it is to make the consumer absolutely WANT and NEED your product.

People act like voters these days are too savvy to fall for that, but everything we've seen over the last 20 years implies modern voters aren't even remotely savvy in any realistic or meaningful way. If anything, the Internet has made most of us more gullible than ever.


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Katsuya Okada :P
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I think Elizabeth Warren
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cute_fan posted...

Too early to tell at this point, but I'd guess Warren.

Although hopefully she won't even be a senator anymore by then.
At the Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/12/elizabeth-warren-takes-salvo-from-rival-shiva-ayya/

A Real Indian vs. the Fake Indian. ^.^
It'll be very tough for him to win -- Massachusetts is one of the bluest states of all -- but miracles occasionally happen. Remember Scott Brown, in the very same seat?




As for the claim that all of the celebrities are Democrats ...
the same site has a feature story listing thirty who aren't, including
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/conservatives-hollywood-celebrities-lean-right/?page=4

^.^

The article appears to be from 2014; none of the pictures are newer than that, unless I missed one or two.



The twenty-fourth celebrity listed might be of interest as well. ^.~

india indians and america indians are both indians
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Anthony Weiner with Eric Holder as his running mate

TheWorstPoster posted...

Anthony Weiner with Eric Holder as his running mate

Wiener/Holder

OhhhJa posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

Anthony Weiner with Eric Holder as his running mate

Wiener/Holder

lol

Did anybody say Buff Bagwell yet? I'd vote for him, Buff is the stuff.

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I'll argue that the supporters lost the vote but she won the race-even with all the smear campaigning and the public being too stupid to see through the email shenanigans she still did a decent job and ppl's complacency screwed it up, thinking that Drumpf couldn't possibly get in etc. and so many ppl in the US not voting (which still makes no sense, especially how often ppl whinge who's in office lol)
Unfortunately though, you're probably right. Now, if she ran with Bernie, then it'd be a different story...
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^ yeah, its perfectly acceptable to lie to the feds durig an investigation....
also if other people did what she did with email protocol they would be thrown in prison
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Far-Queue posted...

BlackScythe0 posted...

The dumbest thing democrats could do is run Hillary again.

She already lost a race that should have been impossible to lose.

I don't disagree, but I will say that it wasn't just Hillary that lost that election for her. The entire Democratic Party underestimated Trump. Plenty of blame to go around. They didn't campaign hard enough, like, at all. Trump was busting his ass going to all these remote areas to drum up support. Say what you will about Trump, but he campaigned his ass off. I can almost guarantee that the Dems won't make that mistake again, trying to coast to a victory.

Also, Trump's approval ratings are abysmal. For these reasons, I could see Clinton running again. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea and I doubt it will happen, but it's not beyond the realm of probability.

@Far-Queue

Do you realize whit average turnover, a republican can win the election even if it has 10 million votes less than a democrat due to the electoral college?

they need a candidate thats popular in swing states not a 'popular in all states'
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Yes, I'm aware of the electoral college, and that winning the popular vote is meaningless if a candidate fails to win the EC.

I mean, this exact thing only happened 7 or 8 months ago.

What's your point? Doesn't mean Dems couldn't try to run with Clinton again, or that Trump's approval rating won't affect the outcome. Who knows what his approval rating will be 3+ years from now? Could be better. Couldn't be much worse.

At this point, I don't see why Trump would want to run again. His ego is so fragile. He wants to be loved and respected by everyone. He'd have to be a complete fool to believe he could use a second term to win over the percentage of the population that dislikes him. Why give up his comfortable, wealthy lifestyle for all of this aggravation?

I'd expect he doesn't want the bother. But then again I felt the same about this past election.
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JTekashiro posted...

Did anybody say Buff Bagwell yet? I'd vote for him, Buff is the stuff.

He could come out to his cheesy theme song from the final days of WCW... Honestly, if I had to pick any wrestling personality to run, it'd be Eric Bischoff. So much craziness and salt. I assume he wouldn't run as a democrat though...
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