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KanzarisKelshen 07/10/17 3:13:30 PM #1: |
Neclord has challenged Cadence to a fight! Location of the fight: Zone 1- An underground cave on a single floor consisting of several small rooms connected by narrow passageways. Access to other floors is blocked off and no enemies are present. Attackers will start at the entryway, with defenders at the exit. Which side will win?
Guidelines - The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment. - The members of each team are ideal teammates capable of a pre-selected plan of battle. - "Broken" refers to a lot of things, including insta-death, auto-effects, a variety of status effects (e.g., Imp, Silence, Stop, *not* Poison), and revival. Unless stated otherwise, nobody has them, though do use your own discretion. - There may be SPOILERS from all of the games the characters are from. Rules for Voting - Bold your votes (using bold HTML tags). - You do not need to require justification for your vote, though the admins reserve the right to disqualify votes in the advent of obvious alt voting and other similar scenarios. - Leaders cannot vote for their own teams, but they are free to argue their case. - If you want to switch your votes simply bold the change; there's no need to delete your post, though you may if you wish. - This match will end in 2 hours or whenever one side gets 7 votes, whichever is later, to a maximum of 6 hours. Neclord is as seen in Suikoden II, with all of his attacks shown in Suikoden I and Suikoden II. He retains his extreme resistance to damage from non-holy based magic and weapons from the Moon Rune, as well as any attacks seen in the gameplay granted by the rune. However, he will lose these resistances if struck by the Star Dragon Sword and cannot otherwise use the rune for curses or anything else. ~VS~ Cadence is as she appears in Crypt of the NecroDancer, equipped with a titanium Longsword and Broadsword, plate mail, magic torch and shovel. She has come to battle with the Star Dragon Sword. --- Hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your husband cause they're kidnapping everyone up here! FIGHT! --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/10/17 3:13:56 PM #2: |
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JeezyMiyagi 07/10/17 3:17:42 PM #3: |
Neclord will be able to smoke Cadence, blast her to smithereens with his spells. Neclord is a handful for a full party of S1 or S2 members and Cadence probably wouldn't even rank as one of the better cast members of either.
Arguably she'd even be sub-Hix and Hix sux --- MonkClive0 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gatarix 07/10/17 3:20:01 PM #4: |
Neclord
I don't have much respect for Cadence against enemies who don't move in specific rhythmic patterns to the beat (aka all of mercs) --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 07/10/17 3:20:21 PM #5: |
Was that what she picked in war as her custom or what?
Neclord winz regardless of custom though --- No problem and congratulation! BK_Sheikah00 committed a cute and pop genocide of love against the gurus! Kyaa~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gatarix 07/10/17 3:21:19 PM #6: |
oh yeah my vote is the same regardless of custom
--- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Luis_Sera89 07/10/17 3:21:23 PM #7: |
Well I guess she at least knows how to use a sword. She even uses a sentient weapon at the end of the game! Kind of.
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MajinZidane 07/10/17 3:22:38 PM #8: |
I would vote for Nec if my vote counyed
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Luis_Sera89 07/10/17 3:28:09 PM #9: |
You know what, if she can dance around dragons and beats an undead mage at the end of her own game, she can grind out Neclord as well.
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KanzarisKelshen 07/10/17 3:28:13 PM #10: |
No it got randomed
Funny that she got all swordz here --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JeezyMiyagi 07/10/17 3:29:07 PM #11: |
I don't think just being able to use a sword is enough to hack it solo against Neclord. Viktor is a skilled swordsman wielding the SDS is both of the Suikodens Neclord is in and he couldn't reasonably handle Neclord alone without substantial back-up.
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StealThisSheen 07/10/17 4:04:14 PM #12: |
Neclord
No way she could do it without backup --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik 07/10/17 4:07:23 PM #13: |
JeezyMiyagi posted...
Neclord will be able to smoke Cadence, blast her to smithereens with his spells. Neclord is a handful for a full party of S1 or S2 members and Cadence probably wouldn't even rank as one of the better cast members of either. Hix is awesome btw. And yes she would he sub Hix. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 07/10/17 4:11:00 PM #14: |
Neclord
Hi resident Necrodancer expert speaking up here "- The fight will occur in real-time (like an FMV sequence). Gameplay mechanics are less important than how the characters would function in a real-time environment." Cadence is fucked ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mewtwo59 07/10/17 4:26:21 PM #15: |
Neclord
If Para says she has no chance, she has no chance. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 07/10/17 4:37:00 PM #16: |
Neclord.
yup --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Arti 07/10/17 4:50:31 PM #17: |
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trdl23 07/10/17 5:01:47 PM #18: |
Lord of necks
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Wanglicious 07/10/17 6:02:04 PM #19: |
Paratroopa1 posted...
Neclord is there anyone she'd be good against. bub wander with agro faith which of these does she beat. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JeezyMiyagi 07/10/17 6:04:29 PM #20: |
Bub, the music would play to her advantage
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Skyridge87 07/10/17 6:06:40 PM #21: |
Cadence is the same as any 1/week. Her entire worth is in her ability.
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Gatarix 07/10/17 6:16:48 PM #22: |
Wanglicious posted...
bub she has a sword and heavy armor, I don't see her having a problem beating an unarmed Faith not sure about Bub/Wander --- You put your RESOLVE HAT back on, which conveniently is the same hat as your NORMAL HAT. {Drakeryn} ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 07/10/17 6:18:50 PM #23: |
Faith's schtick is disarming people I think she'd have the sword sooner rather than later.
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X_Dante_X 07/10/17 6:19:02 PM #24: |
Mewtwo59 posted...
Neclord --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 07/10/17 6:49:27 PM #25: |
JeezyMiyagi posted...
Bub, the music would play to her advantage on that token, if she was on the same team as bub would she become a far better fighter? or to go a step further, what if rules of nature were playing? --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Luis_Sera89 07/10/17 6:57:28 PM #26: |
I guess I'm a little more lax on her movement mechanics than most, and I don't think an FMV environment screws her over, but to state the obvious, getting her character upgrade improves her battle use a great deal. Those spells are pretty good for a 1/week!
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Paratroopa1 07/10/17 7:07:30 PM #27: |
Like Cadence doesn't even have that great a build here or anything, the plate mail is nice - but otherwise she's just a generic sword user without the ability to force the timing of the music, the intro literally says that everyone said she was too young and needed more training - before she accidentally fell into a pit. She's got gumption and she does end up killing some pretty badass monsters but she doesn't even have a normal sort of endgame build that someone might have in order to do so
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JeezyMiyagi 07/10/17 7:36:19 PM #28: |
i'd give her good odds against Lanky and Octodad too
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X_Dante_X 07/10/17 7:41:45 PM #29: |
dude did you factor in lankys trombone
just gonna change the beat on her unexpectedly --- boring and mundane signature Now with more bold! Less Italics due to bold ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paratroopa1 07/10/17 7:43:22 PM #30: |
lanky has no style or grace though
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X_Dante_X 07/10/17 7:46:31 PM #31: |
thats exactly cadences problem!
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Skyridge87 07/10/17 9:19:27 PM #32: |
What WOULD people value Cadence at when using her ability?
@Paratroopa1 Momentum Mori (Start of Battle) - Once every five weeks, the Necrodancer may steal the heart of everyone in the match and infuse them with magic. All mercenaries in the match are now forced to move to a steady beat like Cadence does, unable to stand still unless they are attacking, on penalty of instant death. This doesn't mean the fighters need to maintain a rhythmic movement, and has no effect if they're been held against their will from in battle attacks (immobilizing abilities will explicitly be given exceptions in the write-up as needed). The mercenaries are aware of this. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Drakeryn 07/10/17 9:25:13 PM #33: |
if the characters actually needed to maintain a rhythmic movement, Cadence suddenly becomes amazing (because I don't give most mercs credit to be able to move to the beat while fighting, so they just self-destruct)
but as the ability is currently written, it doesn't change much. it's not hard to remain in constant motion. --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skyridge87 07/10/17 9:26:13 PM #34: |
Drakeryn posted...
but as the ability is currently written, it doesn't change much. it's not hard to remain in constant motion. Skyridge87 posted... All mercenaries in the match are now forced to move to a steady beat like Cadence does ? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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woodman 07/10/17 9:28:09 PM #35: |
Skyridge87 posted...
this doesn't mean the fighters need to maintain a rhythmic movement --- NFUN nice ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JeezyMiyagi 07/10/17 9:30:55 PM #36: |
Cadence needs a reworking where she has an ability that doesn't try for the immobilization KO and instead does something minorly useful on a weekly or every other week basis
Push her current Ability into an upgrade --- MonkClive0 [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skyridge87 07/10/17 9:32:19 PM #37: |
Wait, why does the ability contradict itself?
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Wanglicious 07/10/17 9:33:54 PM #38: |
honestly doesn't sound like there's any good way to make her much of a fighter at all. instead of going for the home run type of ability just make something where you're just consistently happy to have her.
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Drakeryn 07/10/17 9:37:33 PM #39: |
the simplest way to make her useful is to make her a pure support, make Momemtum Mori single-target, and make it so that they need to actually move to the beat or die. enjoy your KO on most mercs
there are more creative things you could do, but that's an easy fix --- another place and time, without a great divide, and we could be flying deadly high ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 07/10/17 9:38:38 PM #40: |
psh.
kefka would just be dancing mad. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Skyridge87 07/10/17 9:53:13 PM #41: |
Hm. The PS idea could work. Her other ability could be Obsidian Shrine, where her attached merc gets parameter boosts the longer they move rhythmically.
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