Board 8 > Spider-Man Homecoming was very good

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@Anagram Please repurpose your personality matrix such that you enjoyed Spider-Man: Homecoming.
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I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.
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LeonhartFour posted...

because you'd use cool-looking alien tech if you were given the opportunity too

This is true.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.

My favorite MCU movie is CA2. I love almost everything in it.
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ClyTheCool posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

But my point isn't really that Iron Man should be solving all the problems, it's just that despite the movie being about Peter's screwups and him proving himself to the bigger superheroes, his screw-ups were kind of caused by them remaining off-screen. So making THE MAN be Iron Man, and having the movie try not to be about Iron Man, just felt a little weird.

Your posts make no sense.

What exactly do you think Tony should have done differently? Short of personally flying around looking for this Vulture guy to fight, he DID handle it. Peter actually fucked up Tonys operation on the Ferry.

Again, all he had to do was not be shitty and dismissive to Spider-Man. It's a bad look for the character and Tony being a dick to Peter causes all his own problems. He's a bad mentor and a bad choice for a non-mentor.

If you replace his role with Happy then the problem of an established superhero being a tool vanishes because now this new guy is the one screwing things up.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.

in Iron Man 4 Tony must protect Israel while making message board polls that leave out popular options.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.

Deadpool
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Nanis23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.

Deadpool

I honestly can't tell if you're just joking, but if so that's hilarious
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Well that should be the end of this topic.
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Biggest problem with the movie is that right after Peter screws up by almost getting a lot of people killed through heroics, an act that the movie makes a big deal of, he then proceeds to nearly crash a plane into a city. And no one cares. This is the kind of stuff that Civil War was fought over in the first place! It's not like Vulture getting the weapons was this huge immediate threat either.
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key word there being "nearly" because he managed to veer it out of the way and crash it onto the beach instead

You aren't going to have a superhero movie without some collateral damage, Civil War or not. Even the guys on the side of the Accords destroy a lot of stuff, too, even in Civil War! The most they can really do is avoid civilian casualties (which is really what got Civil War started), and Spidey did that.

But a big aspect of Peter Parker's character is that he can't turn a blind eye to wrongdoing, no matter how big or small the threat is, and that shone through very strongly in the final sequence.
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Anagram posted...

My favorite MCU movie is CA2. I love almost everything in it.

Hey, it's my favorite, too. I get the impression I rank the other 15 higher on average, though.

Nanis23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I want to see an MCU movie that both Anagram and Nanis have glowing praise for.

Deadpool

err
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I honestly can't tell if you're just joking, but if so that's hilarious

Jeff Zero posted...

err

A Marvel movie is a Marvel movie, it doesn't matter if it has more than one super hero in it or not
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Nanis23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I honestly can't tell if you're just joking, but if so that's hilarious

Jeff Zero posted...

err

A Marvel movie is a Marvel movie, it doesn't matter if it has more than one super hero in it or not

THAT'S what you think is the problem here?
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do you consider the X-Men movies to be part of the MCU as well
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SupremeZero posted...

Nanis23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I honestly can't tell if you're just joking, but if so that's hilarious

Jeff Zero posted...

err

A Marvel movie is a Marvel movie, it doesn't matter if it has more than one super hero in it or not

THAT'S what you think is the problem here?

I dunno, this is what I thought
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Wow.
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Nanis23 posted...

SupremeZero posted...

Nanis23 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I honestly can't tell if you're just joking, but if so that's hilarious

Jeff Zero posted...

err

A Marvel movie is a Marvel movie, it doesn't matter if it has more than one super hero in it or not

THAT'S what you think is the problem here?

I dunno, this is what I thought

Just to be clear - the MCU is the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and specifically refers to the shared universe that began in Iron Man. Deadpool is part of Fox's X-Men line, not the MCU.
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Thank you, Jon.
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Deadpool isn't MCU you maroon, it's outside of that continuity

Also re: Peter proving himself, I feel like the Machine Lift was kinda a flop but it was basically the one thing that was. And like...I felt that because I read the original moment. Seriously guys, look at this:








The reason it's so powerful is that Peter is fighting for something bigger than himself. Aping it and then reducing the stakes doesn't really work. It was a cool reference, but not good enough. Shoulda saved that moment for further down the line, IMO.
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If it makes you feel any better, my dad keeps asking me if Batman will be in any of the MCU movies.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

If it makes you feel any better, my dad keeps asking me if Batman will be in any of the MCU movies.

Well?

Will he?
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TheRock1525 posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

If it makes you feel any better, my dad keeps asking me if Batman will be in any of the MCU movies.

Well?

Will he?

He actually was just in Spider-Man, in a darker role
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yeah Batman's descent into villainy in his later years after the end of Dark Knight Rises was one of my favorite aspects of Homecoming
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My favorite MCU character is Elastigirl.
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I saw it and I really liked it too. I do think Spiderman 2 is a better movie though. Like I feel that Spiderman 2 has more of an emotional edge over homecoming, which I think more than makes up for the kind of cheese factor.
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Having just seen the first two Raimi films for the first time, I can safely say I like Homecoming more. I'm not sure how much of it has to do with my connection to the MCU, though -- I really prefer stuff with deep-rooted lore and continuity over the more standalone nature of superhero movies of yesteryear. Probably one of the reasons I rarely bothered seeing them.

They're all good movies though.
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That's funny, because I thought the references to the other MCU movies were the weakest aspects of Homecoming, other than setting up Michael Keaton's stealing of the show.
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Anagram posted...

That's funny, because I thought the references to the other MCU movies were the weakest aspects of Homecoming, other than setting up Michael Keaton's stealing of the show.

sorry the Cap PSAs were some of the most amazing things the MCU has ever done
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LeonhartFour posted...

Anagram posted...

That's funny, because I thought the references to the other MCU movies were the weakest aspects of Homecoming, other than setting up Michael Keaton's stealing of the show.

sorry the Cap PSAs were some of the most amazing things the MCU has ever done

Okay those were good too, I forgot about those. I was thinking about the entire Avengers building moving to justify Vulture's plan and Happy showing up all the time, and the Iron Man/Pepper Pots thing at the end.
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were you planning on mentioning the "bad" ones

because those were all good too
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The building in Upstate New York has been there since the end of Age of Ultron, technically. I think they just finished a complete relocation now or something.
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Or maybe I'm wrong, idek
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Nanis23 posted...

Is it because the academy is expensive?

It's a public school.
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LeonhartFour posted...

were you planning on mentioning the "bad" ones

because those were all good too

The constant presence of Tony Stark, references, and the technological additions to the suit made the movie sometimes feel like a general MCU movie rather than a specifically Spiderman movie. Not as much as Captain America 3, though.
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Anagram posted...

The constant presence of Tony Stark

constant as in "less than 15 minutes of a 2 hour, 15 minute movie?"

also I will not have anyone disparaging Suit Lady
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I honestly don't understand how that stuff makes the movies "generic." Like, in latter-seasons DS9, when several things from TNG-era Trek are kind of coming to a head and all, do you stop and think, "eh, this is decent but it's becoming generic Trek now because Worf is here and Romulan culture is being explored a little bit again"? What's the difference?
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her name is Karen

and she's wonderful
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Jeff Zero posted...

The building in Upstate New York has been there since the end of Age of Ultron, technically. I think they just finished a complete relocation now or something.

What I want to know is, who bought Avengers Tower? I feel like it has to be somebody important, you don't just sell a location like that to some guy.
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Suit Lady is fine on her own, but when I think Spiderman, I don't think of him talking to Siri. And Tony Stark may have only been in the movie for 15 minutes, but they really made the most of them. Add to him Happy's screen time and it adds up.

As for the references, I didn't say it makes the movie generic, I said it makes the movie feel more like a MCU movie instead of a Spiderman movie specifically. Like when you watch Thor someone mentions Iron Man suits, and when you watch Captain America 1, sure there's Howard Stark, but other than that it feels like a Thor or Captain America story. Worf by that point was integrated into DS9, Tony Stark is not integrated into Spiderman. The more appropriate analogy would be Captain Picard suddenly showing up on DS9 (other than the time he actually did).

I'm not saying this really hurts the movie, and I did enjoy it, I'm just saying it does affect things.
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Jeff Zero posted...

The building in Upstate New York has been there since the end of Age of Ultron, technically. I think they just finished a complete relocation now or something.

Yes and it was featured prominently in Ant-man!
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MrGreenonion posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

The building in Upstate New York has been there since the end of Age of Ultron, technically. I think they just finished a complete relocation now or something.

What I want to know is, who bought Avengers Tower? I feel like it has to be somebody important, you don't just sell a location like that to some guy.

I was hoping for a post credits scene of an Oscorp logo on the building.
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The Cap PSAs are even deeper lore considering he's currently disgraced and the only reason Peter's school is using them is because his principal is the grandson of a Howling Commando.

It feels like both a Spidey movie and a MCU movie, which is great.
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Murphiroth posted...

The Cap PSAs are even deeper lore considering he's currently disgraced and the only reason Peter's school is using them is because his principal is the grandson of a Howling Commando.

It feels like both a Spidey movie and a MCU movie, which is great.

Hannibal Buress said the state said he had to show the tapes, not the principal.
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MrGreenonion posted...

Murphiroth posted...

The Cap PSAs are even deeper lore considering he's currently disgraced and the only reason Peter's school is using them is because his principal is the grandson of a Howling Commando.

It feels like both a Spidey movie and a MCU movie, which is great.

Hannibal Buress said the state said he had to show the tapes, not the principal.

Huh. Thought he just said Cap was disgraced.

Principal Morita is still probably a Cap fanboy though!
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Anagram posted...

Suit Lady is fine on her own, but when I think Spiderman, I don't think of him talking to Siri.

I mean of course you don't

it's a new thing

but it's a great new thing
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Suit Lady is also Jarvis/Vision's wife which is great.
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So was this a really good Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle movie, with Ted Kord as Tony Stark and upgraded suit powers like an unlocked beetle?
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One thing I think this movie suffers from, and the Amazing series did as well, was the lack of J. Jonah Jameson. And I don't just mean a lack of JK Simmons being hilarious (although JK Simmons WAS hilarious). I mean there's no "Spider-Man, Menace!" aspect to the story, and that's such a key part of the Spider-Man character that I kind of feel like it makes Spider-Man 1&2 better Spider-Man movies than Homecoming, even if Homecoming is the better movie with Spider-Man in it, if that makes sense.

This is a defining aspect of the character. He does what's right even knowing it will make his own life worse. It'd be easier to stop being Spider-Man and not have to deal with JJJ's abuse, but it wouldn't be right. The closest Homecoming gets to that is when Liz leaves town because her dad's been arrested, but that happens AFTER Spider-Man does the right thing. He does the right thing and it ends up costing him, but he doesn't do the right thing KNOWING it will cost him, it happens after the fact. It all goes back to power & responsibility which is not a theme in this movie at all. I don't mean I want them to repeat those words because god knows we've heard it enough but they could show us without telling us. But there's never a time when Peter considers shirking his responsibilities.

And I can see why they didn't bring in JJJ. Not only because it's hard to imagine another actor in the role and having an actor from a previous iteration of the franchise return might not be what they want (or even possible since he's in the DCEU now), but because it's just hard to buy the whole idea of "Spider-Man, Menace!" in the context of the MCU. Like am I supposed to buy that people are okay with the fucking Hulk but some kid with web-shooters gets everyone up in arms? Especially post-Civil War with Spidey having been on the "legit" side, how's anyone supposed to come down against him?
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Going to see this tomorrow. Will provide all of you proper opinions afterwards.
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