Current Events > Are black people who want to see Black Panther because he's black racist?

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I have seen more than my fair share of black people who know nothing about comics and superheroes say that they are going to see Black Panther. When asked why, they just say because it's a black superhero with a lot of black people in the movie.

Doesn't this seem racist?
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no.
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Is TC not trying to make a bait topic?
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are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?
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Hey look, one of those alts that does nothing but post racist shit.
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XHJYFL posted...

I have seen more than my fair share of black people who know nothing about comics and superheroes say that they are going to see Black Panther. When asked why, they just say because it's a black superhero with a lot of black people in the movie.

Doesn't this seem racist?

Maybe try to understand where they're coming from before casting stones. If you grow up as a black person and basically never seeing a black hero in any movie, with that character generally being relegated to comedic sidekick or worse, you'll be excited when you finally get a character like that in conventional entertainment. They just want some kind of representation, that's all.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol
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pinky0926 posted...

XHJYFL posted...

I have seen more than my fair share of black people who know nothing about comics and superheroes say that they are going to see Black Panther. When asked why, they just say because it's a black superhero with a lot of black people in the movie.

Doesn't this seem racist?

Maybe try to understand where they're coming from before casting stones. If you grow up as a black person and basically never seeing a black hero in any movie, with that character generally being relegated to comedic sidekick or worse, you'll be excited when you finally get a character like that in conventional entertainment. They just want some kind of representation, that's all.

Don't even get me started on that shaq hero movie... John henry?
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boxington posted...

no.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

it wasn't intended to be clever

I was making in fun of op
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Yes. White people that want to see something because it has white people are racist so it only makes sense that this would be racist.
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Metua posted...

Hey look, one of those alts that does nothing but post racist shit.

Pretty sure this alt is the one that made the last race bait topic involving black panther. Something along the lines of are people racist if they don't like black panther

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

Also add to the fact that literally no one ever sees Batman simply because he's white. What a pathetic "argument" attempt.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't seem racist. It IS racist, 100% objectively and unquestionably.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

it wasn't intended to be clever

I was making in fun of op

So you were saying those people clearly are racist? My apologies I thought you were taking a different side in that case.

With that said I don't agree, @pinky0926 summed up my thoughts on it pretty well.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Yes. White people that want to see something because it has white people are racist so it only makes sense that this would be racist.

Spoken like a racist.
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Whose alt is this?
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Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

Also add to the fact that literally no one ever sees Batman simply because he's white. What a pathetic "argument" attempt.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't seem racist. It IS racist, 100% objectively and unquestionably.

so why do you believe people are going to see black panther because he is black if no white person goes to see batman because he is white?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

Also add to the fact that literally no one ever sees Batman simply because he's white. What a pathetic "argument" attempt.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't seem racist. It IS racist, 100% objectively and unquestionably.

so why do you believe people are going to see black panther because he is black if no white person goes to see batman because he is white?

...because they said so?

Veggeta X posted...

Whose alt is this?

Seconded. Someone expose this clown.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Yes. White people that want to see something because it has white people are racist so it only makes sense that this would be racist.

if white people saw mostly black characters, for example, with a sprinkling of white ones (and complex, well-written ones being even fewer), that'd be one thing.

but white people aren't hurting for representation, in the western world, so the situations aren't exactly the same
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Yes.

It's literally discriminating based on race.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yes.

It's literally discriminating based on race.

Just without the impact of actual historical racism.

You can keep these false equivalences. Nobody is here for that.
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Annihilated posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

Also add to the fact that literally no one ever sees Batman simply because he's white. What a pathetic "argument" attempt.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't seem racist. It IS racist, 100% objectively and unquestionably.

so why do you believe people are going to see black panther because he is black if no white person goes to see batman because he is white?

...because they said so?

so you think if we made Batman black no one would refuse to watch Batman?

you said no one see Batman because he is white so that should be a non-issue correct?
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I forgot how low the average IQ of this board is.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Annihilated posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

... that wasn't as clever as you thought it was.

Anyone who said yes to the OP will probably say yes to your statement and vice versa.

Just lol

Also add to the fact that literally no one ever sees Batman simply because he's white. What a pathetic "argument" attempt.

To answer OP's question, it doesn't seem racist. It IS racist, 100% objectively and unquestionably.

so why do you believe people are going to see black panther because he is black if no white person goes to see batman because he is white?

...because they said so?

so you think if we made Batman black no one would refuse to watch Batman?

you said no one see Batman because he is white so that should be a non-issue correct?

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Just without the impact of actual historical racism.

What kind of dumb ass shit crap monkey poop logic is this?

"Yeah it's racism but because it doesn't have 'the impact of actual historical racism' wtf that means it actually isn't racism."

Stop leaning on college buzzwords.

Judgding and treating people differently based on race is racism. "I like him because hes black." is racist. Just as racist as "I dont like him because he's black."

Don't try to justify it, stop doing it and grow up.
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How can anyone fall for bait this obvious?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

dude chill

you got upset at me in the other thread because I didn't agree with you

ok

get over it
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For the most part it has a lot more to do with it than "cause he's black and a lot of black people are in the movie". Even though you'd get some out there with that kinda thinking
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this topic and all the responses serve absolutely no purpose, to anything

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

dude chill

you got upset at me in the other thread because I didn't agree with you

ok

get over it

Was trying to actually help you. If you'd rather be willfully ignorant by all means feel free to.
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It is a double standard. There have been white people who got into Eminem because he was one of the first really talented white rappers that they knew of, and the left tried to portray them all as racists.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

dude chill

you got upset at me in the other thread because I didn't agree with you

ok

get over it

Was trying to actually help you. If you'd rather be willfully ignorant by all means feel free to.

Can you explain what was illogical about what I said?
People were very upset when Johnny Storm was made black. So if Batman goes from white to black you can bet many white people boycott the movie.

So we evaluate "no one goes to see batman because he is white". Yet if we change him from white to black many wouldn't see him anymore.
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I understand wanting to see someone that looks more like you in a superhero roll, not it's not racist, it's representation.
It's probably a little ignorant, a little ridiculous, people should be able to look up to heroes of any race, but it's not entirely without merit.


darkphoenix181 posted...

are white people who go to see Batman because he is white racist?

This has never happened.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

dude chill

you got upset at me in the other thread because I didn't agree with you

ok

get over it

Was trying to actually help you. If you'd rather be willfully ignorant by all means feel free to.

Can you explain what was illogical about what I said?
People were very upset when Johnny Storm was made black. So if Batman goes from white to black you can bet many white people boycott the movie.

So we evaluate "no one goes to see batman because he is white". Yet if we change him from white to black many wouldn't see him anymore.

I think you just answered your own question. Complete lack of relationship between the premise and conclusion.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

dude chill

you got upset at me in the other thread because I didn't agree with you

ok

get over it

Was trying to actually help you. If you'd rather be willfully ignorant by all means feel free to.

Can you explain what was illogical about what I said?
People were very upset when Johnny Storm was made black. So if Batman goes from white to black you can bet many white people boycott the movie.

So we evaluate "no one goes to see batman because he is white". Yet if we change him from white to black many wouldn't see him anymore.

I just can't, this is all over the place and I have no desire to go through the process of detailing why this is a deeply flawed argument (if we even wanna call it an "argument")

Instead I'll say what I said before. In the other topic I brought up the base rate fallacy multiple times and you refused to acknowledge it. You wouldn't even answer my question when I asked if you knew what it was.

I only suggested what I did because it will help you greatly in the future. If you get free time and it won't break your bank take a class at a community college or something. That or research it yourself at the very least.

It will help you in the long run. If you decide not to, no worries. Just wanted to suggest it.

Idk about you but I don't hold any hard feelings against you. Some of your statements infuriate me but not because I disagree, because they are incoherent and often times irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

I truly wish you the best though. Might be hard to believe but I do.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

Just without the impact of actual historical racism.

What kind of dumb ass shit crap monkey poop logic is this?

"Yeah it's racism but because it doesn't have 'the impact of actual historical racism' wtf that means it actually isn't racism."

Stop leaning on college buzzwords.

Judgding and treating people differently based on race is racism. "I like him because hes black." is racist. Just as racist as "I dont like him because he's black."

Don't try to justify it, stop doing it and grow up.

'College buzzwords' a bit too much? I can break it down for you.

The cost of black people elevating black voices to the exclusion of others are white tears.

The cost of white people doing the same? Genocide and diaspora. These are some the "impacts of actual historical racism."

All things being equal, you could make this comparison. But all things are demonstrably not equal, and that makes your comparison a false equivalence.

You can claim black people seeing a movie precisely because it elevates black creators and black narratives, is discriminatory, but if it normalizes those voices and narratives and diversifies the mainstream, then this is unequivocally a good thing.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

People were very upset when Johnny Storm was made black.

The only people upset were comic purists who swear they're not actually racist but don't get upset over other changes


Not to mention that Batman being old money is a critical part of his backstory. Old money in the USA tends to be white, unless he's adopted or mixed then it doesn't make sense to be anything but white. Contrast with Johnny who just has to be attractive cocky guy who cares about family.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I just can't, this is all over the place and I have no desire to go through the process of detailing why this is a deeply flawed argument (if we even wanna call it an "argument")

What are you on about? It is extremely simple. Fans won't accept a black batman because to them whiteness is important part of the character despite it actually NOT being important to the character.

This article reaches the same conclusion because of how logical and simple it is.


http://www.agonybooth.com/why-batman-will-never-be-black-25308

No matter how much sense it makes or depth it adds to the character, it won’t happen for the same reason why Bruce Wayne will never stay dead, and why he’ll never really emotionally develop beyond “darkness, no parents”. It’s because fans would lose their minds.

Yes, there would be plenty of people happy to see some sort of shakeup to the character, instead of rehashing the same tired storylines over and over. But there would be many more who’d be angry because “their Batman” is the one true Batman and will praise no other Batmans before him.

Ultimately, that’s my point and my problem. I don’t care if Batman is white. I don’t care if he isn’t. What I care about is how limited he is. This is perhaps the one advantage that Wonder Woman’s unstable origin story offers: flexibility. Diana tends to reflect whatever feminist movement is happening at the time, and because of that, her story and character are always changing, and always growing.

But while the tone of Batman media may change over the years, Batman himself doesn’t. He’s a present tense character that we think of in immovable past-tense terms. Fans have caged what and who Batman can be, making him a truly tragic hero.

Zeeak4444 posted...

Instead I'll say what I said before. In the other topic I brought up the base rate fallacy multiple times and you refused to acknowledge it. You wouldn't even answer my question when I asked if you knew what it was.

literally has nothing to do with black batman, you only mention it because you are still mad
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I just can't, this is all over the place and I have no desire to go through the process of detailing why this is a deeply flawed argument (if we even wanna call it an "argument")

What are you on about? It is extremely simple. Fans won't accept a black batman because to them whiteness is important part of the character despite it actually NOT being important to the character.

This article reaches the same conclusion because of how logical and simple it is.


http://www.agonybooth.com/why-batman-will-never-be-black-25308

No matter how much sense it makes or depth it adds to the character, it won’t happen for the same reason why Bruce Wayne will never stay dead, and why he’ll never really emotionally develop beyond “darkness, no parents”. It’s because fans would lose their minds.

Yes, there would be plenty of people happy to see some sort of shakeup to the character, instead of rehashing the same tired storylines over and over. But there would be many more who’d be angry because “their Batman” is the one true Batman and will praise no other Batmans before him.

Ultimately, that’s my point and my problem. I don’t care if Batman is white. I don’t care if he isn’t. What I care about is how limited he is. This is perhaps the one advantage that Wonder Woman’s unstable origin story offers: flexibility. Diana tends to reflect whatever feminist movement is happening at the time, and because of that, her story and character are always changing, and always growing.

But while the tone of Batman media may change over the years, Batman himself doesn’t. He’s a present tense character that we think of in immovable past-tense terms. Fans have caged what and who Batman can be, making him a truly tragic hero.

Zeeak4444 posted...

Instead I'll say what I said before. In the other topic I brought up the base rate fallacy multiple times and you refused to acknowledge it. You wouldn't even answer my question when I asked if you knew what it was.

literally has nothing to do with black batman, you only mention it because you are still mad

Alright I politely tried to offer you advice.

I mentioned it because that statement alone would show you why your whole argument in that topic was illogical. Granted, you need the intelligence to understand it, which you probably lack.

Instead you are proud to be delusional in some cases and completely ignorant in others.

You do you fam, I'm sure you'll go far in life.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

What I care about is how limited he is. This is perhaps the one advantage that Wonder Woman’s unstable origin story offers: flexibility.

God damn the leftist fart sniffing cringe is real.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Alright I politely tried to offer you advice.

Instead you are proud to be delusional in some cases and completely ignorant in others.

You do you fam, I'm sure you'll go far in life.

I asked you where it was illogical and you had no answer.

Then you went on about how you were upset in another thread about an argument you made there.

If you can actually substantiate words to say "fans wouldn't be upset over black batman" or "black batman couldn't work because x or y" then you could have point.
Instead you just don't like the argument because of who said it is all I can conclude because that is literally all you had to offer.
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Gamer99z posted...

boxington posted...

no.

You know what is racist tho?

Walking into an IHOP and one of the black employees saying...

Nice fit man.

Then, walking past a group of white guys in the mall, and one turns your way and says...

You look ridiculous!!"

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Alright I politely tried to offer you advice.

Instead you are proud to be delusional in some cases and completely ignorant in others.

You do you fam, I'm sure you'll go far in life.

I asked you where it was illogical and you had no answer.

Then you went on about how you were upset in another thread about an argument you made there.

If you can actually substantiate words to say "fans wouldn't be upset over black batman" or "black batman couldn't work because x or y" then you could have point.
Instead you just don't like the argument because of who said it is all I can conclude because that is literally all you had to offer.

I mentioned it because that statement alone would show you why your whole argument in that topic was illogical. Granted, you need the intelligence to understand it, which you probably lack.

-From my edited post
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Hinakuluiau posted...

The only people upset were comic purists who swear they're not actually racist but don't get upset over other changes

Wrong, showing your ignorance. People were upset because a clueless director decided to make Sue Storm's twin brother a different race because PC-ness takes higher priority than logic.

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Alright I politely tried to offer you advice.

Instead you are proud to be delusional in some cases and completely ignorant in others.

You do you fam, I'm sure you'll go far in life.

I asked you where it was illogical and you had no answer.

Then you went on about how you were upset in another thread about an argument you made there.

If you can actually substantiate words to say "fans wouldn't be upset over black batman" or "black batman couldn't work because x or y" then you could have point.
Instead you just don't like the argument because of who said it is all I can conclude because that is literally all you had to offer.

I mentioned it because that statement alone would show you why your whole argument in that topic was illogical. Granted, you need the intelligence to understand it, which you probably lack.

-From my edited post

bold is key

I ask you about black batman and you couldn't even form a coherent sentence to explain.

I give you article where someone else reaches the same conclusion to support my view, showing this logic is something completely different people who don't know each other can both reach, and all you have to offer is "I didn't like what you said in unrelated thread so what you say here has to be bad too!"

That is the definition of illogical.
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Annihilated posted...

Hinakuluiau posted...

The only people upset were comic purists who swear they're not actually racist but don't get upset over other changes

Wrong, showing your ignorance. People were upset because a clueless director decided to make Sue Storm's twin brother a different race because PC-ness takes higher priority than logic.

Sue is older than Johnny, they're not twins. Talk about clueless.
And the whole point of Fantastic Four is that family comes in all forms. Adopted brothers and sisters are still family, so it's quite nice.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Alright I politely tried to offer you advice.

Instead you are proud to be delusional in some cases and completely ignorant in others.

You do you fam, I'm sure you'll go far in life.

I asked you where it was illogical and you had no answer.

Then you went on about how you were upset in another thread about an argument you made there.

If you can actually substantiate words to say "fans wouldn't be upset over black batman" or "black batman couldn't work because x or y" then you could have point.
Instead you just don't like the argument because of who said it is all I can conclude because that is literally all you had to offer.

I mentioned it because that statement alone would show you why your whole argument in that topic was illogical. Granted, you need the intelligence to understand it, which you probably lack.

-From my edited post

bold is key

I ask you about black batman and you couldn't even form a coherent sentence to explain.

I give you article where someone else reach the same conclusion to support me showing logic is something completely different people who don't know each other can both reach and all you have to offer is "I didn't like what you said in unrelated thread so what you say here has to be bad too!"

That is the definition of illogical.

Alright we'll go slow for you.

You asked what was illogical about what you said once two people stated you keep making flawed arguments.

Instead of touching on a ridiculous post that would have taken more time than I care to give to explain in sufficient enough detail to keep you from getting lost I decided to bring up a simple one from the other topic.

I asked if you knew what a base rate fallacy is. If you did, you would understand why the arguments in that topic were flawed, very simple.

If you didn't, I would have told you to look it up and boom you'd find out yourself why they were flawed arguments.

Instead, you assume that for some reason you get to dictate the context of any given post as well as where any given discussion gets to go. This wouldn't even be a problem if you made decent arguments or put forth relevant information.

Instead you don't. Instead you're proud to be ignorant.
This is the last favor I'll give you so you at least MIGHT have a chance to go back at some point and look into something that will help you.

Or you could continue looking like a fool while stating how smart you look (pro-tip: if you're the ONLY one saying it, it's probably not true).

So you do you fam. You do you.
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So this is how you successfully bait people. Interdasting
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Zeeak4444 posted...

so you think if we made Batman black no one would refuse to watch Batman?

you said no one see Batman because he is white so that should be a non-issue correct?



Dude, no offense but you really need to take a logical reasoning course or something.

That or just stop arguing for a while. You really need to refine your skills in forming a coherent and logical argument.

Btw the Socratic Method only works if people are humble enough to honestly answer the question.

Isn't it funny that simple questions get people so riled?
Ever wonder why that is?

https://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl201/modules/Philosophers/Socrates/socrates01.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

All you got to do is answer the question.
But instead what do you do?
"OMG YOU ARE AN IDIOT! YOUR ARE BAD AT LOGIC!!!"

It just shows that the answer you arrived at is painful to you for some reason such that you don't want to say it out loud.
Perhaps you should consider that.
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