Board 8 > A Feast For Crows Mafia: Topic 9 - Egg, I Dreamed that I Was Old

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htaeD posted...

I forget did Stan get any scans off night1?
and does Leo now also have a doublevote?

Dowolf - inno

My understanding is Leo only got the role of the first person he recruited. If that's mistaken he hasn't been sharing any actions with us.
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My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

You having fear of me to come test me today is cute leo but come on.

Even setting aside literally every other power in the game, a confirming town doctor with another ability and a confirming town backup? I have way to much respect for suprak to believe it.

So are you out of recruits or just lying about his power?

Not sure Leo is confirmed town.

Personally, I think the game setup makes the most sense if Leo is some sort of Indy - Comedy option is that he was a Mason Recruiting Underdog Backup - who lucked into rolling BP and saw his easiest path to victory as survivor in a world where scum can't shoot him would be to go hard town and get scum lynched.

The only way he's some kind of indy is if he changes the alignment of everyone he recruits so that they want to help him. And I can't see Suprak using an alignment changing role

How is this sequitous?

1) We are taking his word that they received his PM.

2) If they did, even if he were an Indy, the fact that he's BP means exactly what I said - of scum can't kill him, he just needs to not get lynched, and helping town does that.

3) Even if the dead recruits were to know he was indy, as long as he's accurately relaying their information and reads to town, they have no disincentive to not provide him with thoughts.
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Nanahara715 posted...

1) We are taking his word that they received his PM.

If they didn't, why would they continue to give Leo information to prove they are talking to him? If I didn't know someone was town, and they were telling the game 'he 100% knows I'm town' I'd stop helping them.

Nanahara715 posted...

3) Even if the dead recruits were to know he was indy, as long as he's accurately relaying their information and reads to town, they have no disincentive to not provide him with thoughts.

See above.

2 is a fair point to how to play the role if that's what it is

I just don't believe that's what it is
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A 5/4 on T2 and then leaves you with only 1 mana to use on T3.

It's still good, but yeah, def has downsides.
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Oops. That was meant for a different topic, sorry
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My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

1) We are taking his word that they received his PM.

If they didn't, why would they continue to give Leo information to prove they are talking to him? If I didn't know someone was town, and they were telling the game 'he 100% knows I'm town' I'd stop helping them.

Nanahara715 posted...

3) Even if the dead recruits were to know he was indy, as long as he's accurately relaying their information and reads to town, they have no disincentive to not provide him with thoughts.

See above.

2 is a fair point to how to play the role if that's what it is

I just don't believe that's what it is

I mean, I don't know if he has independent chat logs with them or if they are all on one board, but I think the argument "I'm INDY but now BP so I'm going to try to crush scum. I will funnel all of your thoughts from here to the game" seems reasonable.

If you're FFD or whoever, you can either not do anything for the rest of the game or help Leo scum hunt. *shrug*
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Such a role as indy would be totally pointless. I don't know why this discussion is happening.

It's happening because Nana is scum who is still trying to determine the last couple mislynches he needs and wants to keep Leo on the table.
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My Immortal posted...

It's happening because Nana is scum who is still trying to determine the last couple mislynches he needs and wants to keep Leo on the table.

Nah, Leo is fine, I've no interest in lynching him now or in the future.

Leafeon13N posted...

Such a role as indy would be totally pointless. I don't know why this discussion is happening.

It's happening because we are discussing power roles.

Immy made the comment that Leo was "self-confirming town backup" and that was "too much with Scare as a self confirming town DV with other powers."

##Vote: MI

Literally last page MI is arguing Scare and Leo can't exist together therefore Leo is lying, and now he's saying that I'M trying to set up Leo for an ML? Please.
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My Immortal posted...

You having fear of me to come test me today is cute leo but come on.

Even setting aside literally every other power in the game, a confirming town doctor with another ability and a confirming town backup? I have way to much respect for suprak to believe it.

So are you out of recruits or just lying about his power?

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Because Leo is lying about either recruiting scare or what scares abilities are to see how I react, not because he's scum lying to get me lynched
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Nowhere in there am I calling him scum because he isn't.
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Reminder as well that there was a non-town Masonizer in GOT2 mafia and the person "Masonized" was given the role of the player but not the alignment and it was tooth and nail to get that scum lynched because their "Mason" buddy kept claiming they were a masonizer and therefore MUST be town.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Such a role as indy would be totally pointless. I don't know why this discussion is happening.

Post 413 responding to this
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Nanahara715 posted...

Leo is fine, I've no interest in lynching him now or in the future.

Nanahara715 posted...

Reminder as well that there was a non-town Masonizer in GOT2 mafia

Why the reminder if you have no issue with Leo
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My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo is fine, I've no interest in lynching him now or in the future.

Nanahara715 posted...

Reminder as well that there was a non-town Masonizer in GOT2 mafia

Why the reminder if you have no issue with Leo

It's almost like you aren't reading my posts.

Red says: "Role is pointless as an Indy"

I say: "Role has been used as a scum role before"

The implication of the latter is that Suprak clearly disagrees with Red.
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Nanahara715 posted...

My Immortal posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

Leo is fine, I've no interest in lynching him now or in the future.

Nanahara715 posted...

Reminder as well that there was a non-town Masonizer in GOT2 mafia

Why the reminder if you have no issue with Leo

It's almost like you aren't reading my posts.

Red says: "Role is pointless as an Indy"

I say: "Role has been used as a scum role before"

The implication of the latter is that Suprak clearly disagrees with Red.

And since I have to spell it out, you can quote me when I tell Red that "his opinion on whether or not the role makes sense as Indy means absolutely fuckall when the host has used such a role in a comparable manner in previous games."
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We aren't hunting independents.

Leafeon13N posted...

We aren't hunting independents.

Nobody is hunting independents and at this point you're either not reading, not connecting any dots, or scum, so I'm shutting the fucking book on you
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You are either trying to paint leo as scum or hunting an indy. Its literally pointless.

Not to mention at one point leo said his mason board literally had a host post that called him town.

If he was bullshitting about the host post the town on the mason board would immediately stop feeding him information

At 450:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75489743
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And i literally wake up already grouchy in the morning and see you talking independents. You think I'm going to be happy about that?

No, I'm going to think you're either a bad player or scum.

Red/MI last two scum. Calling it now. Done with both of them.
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See the bad player or scum part nana. It applies to you here too.

Like, this is straight up twisting the conversation.

Immy says "Leo + Scare both as town makes no sense"

I say "Leo's role as an Indy would make sense."

They say "zomg Indy hunting."

This is literally just trying to see how the game balances with this much power.

The punchline is, either a) Leo is lying about what Scare's role does and Immy is vindicated or b) Leo is not and we should lynch Immy.

I buy Leo, so I'm on board with the latter.

You may as well vote me Red, this day is clearly going to come down to me vs Immy.
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Leo as an indy role already didn't make sense with what we have been told. You literally brought up worthless discussion with that statement.

Leafeon13N posted...

Leo as an indy role already didn't make sense with what we have been told. You literally brought up worthless discussion with that statement.

"Your opinion on whether or not the role makes sense as Indy means absolutely fuckall when the host has used such a role in a comparable manner in previous games"
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Hm, expected I would be rammed hard today.

I'm just trying to gauge whether bus driver is overboard but it's weird without knowing what scum has
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Like

100% Guaranteed Assassin Shot
Tracker
Godfather Ninja
Presumed Roleblocker
Who knows

That's already really strong with those four
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Don't worry VI, I got your back. Anyone who tries to lynch you prolly scum.

Unfortunately for MI, I'm not bluffing Scare's role. The only time I've bluffed this game was when I pretended to not actually have multiple recruits, but I gave that up when it did not fool obv-scum Han. He probably should have tried to justify all the town power or gone after Death, strategically speaking. Praying this was a lie will not work out for him.

VeryInsane posted...

If you guys are that concerned I actually have a confirming question with Scare


What was your role in Samuel L Jackson Mafia, and what did you tell me in PM after you were lynched? >_>

<_<

He forgets Sam Jackson mafia but says screw you he ain't breaking his streak.

He can find the following PMs from it: subject line "hey", replacing MI. Mafia backup, undertaker. 3 such PMs, the final one says what the fake claim MI claimed was in that game.

The other PM he has from VI is a game where Scare offered to replace in, but you ended up going with Puns instead.
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Oh that's Hearthstone. >_>

But yeah that's verification.

Man, I had a brief turn against MI and then he claimed. Now I just don't know because why use a bus driver like that and why did Chris start that scum bus driver WIFOM
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Leo3L posted...

Unfortunately for MI, I'm not bluffing Scare's role. The only time I've bluffed this game was when I pretended to not actually have multiple recruits, but I gave that up when it did not fool obv-scum Han. He probably should have tried to justify all the town power or gone after Death, strategically speaking. Praying this was a lie will not work out for him.

...I... can't even begin to fathom this.

Full time double-vote full time doctor 1 time lynch stopper doesn't even make sense. I thought to myself even if I were scum I wouldn't have blinked at Leo claiming that because yeah right.

I don't know how to justify the power because it is what it is. Scum is powerful, so town is too. Although my powers were countered by scums.

The only power lying at this point could be death, like you said, but I'm not going to after him because Scare's role makes it that scum needs a roleblocker. I could see no roleblocker in a doctor-less game, but not anymore.

...if you're being truthful which I am still having a hard time taking in.
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I am btw, a bit surprised scum didnt try to kill while they still had a roleblocker
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I still can't reconcile almost anything Nana has done in the game at this point. I could be persuaded to go after MI but this seems like a game that potentially has power overload on both sides. We don't know what scum has that might theoretically even be more powerful than a roleblocker. Occam's razor, they could have a roleblocker and have just been blocking Death since the beginning of the game.

In any case, as I said, my read on Death was soft and I could definitely be persuaded that MI is the more likely scum of the two. Hell, it could also be Red. All I'm sure about is that Nana pretty much has to be scum in every configuration that I can see. His weird conspiracy theory that Han's lynch was "planned" and the fake anger we're seeing today is only solidifying that read.

I am inclined to agree that Scare's role as Leo is saying it sounds SUPER broken.

Are you lying again Leo y/n

Vengeful_KBM posted...

I am inclined to agree that Scare's role as Leo is saying it sounds SUPER broken.

Are you lying again Leo y/n

Leo3L posted...

Unfortunately for MI, I'm not bluffing Scare's role. The only time I've bluffed this game was when I pretended to not actually have multiple recruits, but I gave that up when it did not fool obv-scum Han.

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How do you feel about MI's behavior this game, Leo?

Claim be damned
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If you have any trust in me, lynch Nana today. When he flips scum (hopefully roleblocker!), look back and think if it makes sense I would've been after him all game.

Anything else I can think of to say right now is all WIFOMy and not worth it.
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1. I don't think he's gone after scum once this game
2. He got superrrr defensive when I said that scum roleblocking Death and shooting me meant he was likely scum.
3. He and Chris didn't interact much, which is similar to how Chris treated Han.
4. MI and I have never been in sync, we've usually had opposite views. Usually when we're town we crush it.
5. All his night actions have not given a single scrap of information to town, even when they really should have. See: point 2.
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Uh oh, all the topics purged. That's annoying. I wanted to look up why MI targeted Puns and not Dowolf.
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I wonder if it is just MI/KBM

Sucks that entire scum team tried to save me minus Chris but what can you do
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Because Dowolf was unclaimed, Puns was claimed vanilla. If my read was wrong and puns was town, him being blocked wouldn't matter, him getting killed would be acceptable. Dowolf was unknown and had the potential to backfire.

There's a way you can find the archive still but I think posting it would get me modded
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I can't help but feel my role was meant to be useless due to scum powers & then get lynched because of all the other powers. Suprak must hate Margery.
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Eh if I get modded, I get modded

http://amourdillo.com/board.php?search=mafia
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Leo3L posted...

Uh oh, all the topics purged. That's annoying. I wanted to look up why MI targeted Puns and not Dowolf.

A big apology from the cohost bumping committee.

Log Also GMUN was talking in topic 5 about this so...
Faqs Also https://www.*******.com/board.php?search=mafia
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The thing is, the only reason I didn't go after MI earlier was because of the claim. I thought surely three scum wouldn't all base their game plan around it.

What makes Nana scum and not just town playing poorly, MI? Set up meta is somewhat inarguable, but finding scum is finding scum. I'll listen to you because you're not 100% scum.
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I have the more experience with Nana than anyone else in this game from my time playing on CE and he's one of the easiest people to read. Town Nana leads, scum Nana follows. Nana hasn't done any leading this game, Nana's made logical leaps between days with no consistency / reasoning ("I'm trusting puns, so I'll lynch Han." Han is scum. "Puns is scum!"). He hasn't done anything but get angry.

Town Nana would do more than that.

Town Nana wouldn't make reading comprehension mistakes (i.e. when I said 'Leo is lying' Nana thinking it meant I was saying Leo was scum, not Leo was town reaction testing me). The fact that he misinterpreted that shows how little he actually cares because Nana does not care about being scum until it becomes MYLO. If you do lynch me today, watch out for the fire he comes in with tomorrow.
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I have a lot of respect for town Nana. Nana even said earlier, on CE when I was scum, I would completely ignore him D1 because he was really good at reading me, and then I'd quietly deal with him at night. Nana was basically the Chris of CE when he was town.

When playing with B8, he is typically a little more subdued as town, but not this much.
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