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ZMythos 05/30/17 9:52:33 AM #1:	https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/05/20/18799587.php smart move tbh. Society needs to shift from equality to equity. a $100 traffic ticket could be a week's worth of food for a poor household, but chump change for a wealthy person. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880069880] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/05/20/18799587.php smart move tbh. Society needs to shift from equality to equity. a $100 traffic ticket could be a week's worth of food for a poor household, but chump change for a wealthy person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 05/30/17 9:59:35 AM #2:	Switzerland does this too http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302161/Swedish-driver-gets-worlds-largest-speeding-fine-180mph-chase.html --- * * * * - Die Nummer 1 der Welt sind wir. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:880070180] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Switzerland does this too http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302161/Swedish-driver-gets-worlds-largest-speeding-fine-180mph-chase.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/30/17 10:00:11 AM #3:	interesting --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:880070202] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>interesting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 05/30/17 10:00:11 AM #4:	If $100 is like a month's worth of food for a poor household. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:880070204] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>If $100 is like a month's worth of food for a poor household.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NathanX95 05/30/17 10:01:19 AM #5:	This is awesome, I really hope it passes since I live here. <cite>NathanX95 posted [p:880070261] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>This is awesome, I really hope it passes since I live here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 05/30/17 10:01:36 AM #6:	just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:880070274] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 05/30/17 10:02:51 AM #7:	Milkman5 posted... just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime" --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:880070323] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao</quote> "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chicken 05/30/17 10:03:46 AM #8:	if $100 is a week's worth of food, then they shouldn't break the fucking law in the first place. --- http://i.imgur.com/VoUNVY8.jpg <cite>Chicken posted [p:880070370] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>if $100 is a week's worth of food, then they shouldn't break the fucking law in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 05/30/17 10:06:06 AM #9:	ZMythos posted... smart move tbh. Society needs to shift from equality to equity. a $100 traffic ticket could be a week's worth of food for a poor household, but chump change for a wealthy person. Good point. If I made $100K a year, I'd wouldn't bat two eye lashes at paying a $100 fine for speeding. Conversely, when I was pulling in $500 a week, which is about $25K a year, getting hit with a random $100 bill on top of my other bills stung. I definitely wouldn't want to inconvenience myself that much trying to get somewhere 2 minutes faster. So I agree with this, it's not a punishment you'd be weary of if you have the money to laugh it off. --- imgtc.com/i/4HgTl0ebzq.jpg imgtc.com/i/60CWP2Gtlg.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:880070466] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote>smart move tbh. Society needs to shift from equality to equity. a $100 traffic ticket could be a week's worth of food for a poor household, but chump change for a wealthy person.</quote> Good point. If I made $100K a year, I'd wouldn't bat two eye lashes at paying a $100 fine for speeding. Conversely, when I was pulling in $500 a week, which is about $25K a year, getting hit with a random $100 bill on top of my other bills stung. I definitely wouldn't want to inconvenience myself that much trying to get somewhere 2 minutes faster. So I agree with this, it's not a punishment you'd be weary of if you have the money to laugh it off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 05/30/17 10:08:06 AM #10:	ZMythos posted... Milkman5 posted... just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime" Except they don't get away with traffic violations already...? --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:880070559] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao</quote> "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime"</quote> Except they don't get away with traffic violations already...?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 05/30/17 10:11:40 AM #11:	Cool. Can't imagine shilling for the rich so hard that you'd be against this. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:880070709] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Cool. Can't imagine shilling for the rich so hard that you'd be against this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 05/30/17 10:14:14 AM #12:	This is a good idea <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:880070821] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>This is a good idea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karmageddon28 05/30/17 10:16:24 AM #13:	I'm okay with this. <cite>karmageddon28 posted [p:880070922] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 05/30/17 10:17:05 AM #14:	Milkman5 posted... just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao you slippery sloped yourself right into looking uneducated lmao --- Now Playing: Nioh (PS4), Titanfall 2 (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:880070954] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao</quote> you slippery sloped yourself right into looking uneducated lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kineth 05/30/17 10:18:07 AM #16:	ZMythos posted... Milkman5 posted... just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime" got em --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880070990] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZMythos posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>just have everything be proportional then there's no incentive to be rich >_> lmao</quote> "I want to be rich so I can get away with crime"</quote> got em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 05/30/17 10:18:40 AM #17:	fenderbender321 posted... And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me. ... --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:880071023] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me. </quote> ...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LittleScootaIoo 05/30/17 10:18:51 AM #18:	So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... --- u/homelessscootaloo http://tinyurl.com/jk7uhjn <cite>LittleScootaIoo posted [p:880071030] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Feline_Heart 05/30/17 10:20:01 AM #19:	LittleScootaIoo posted... So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... How did you come to this conclusion? <cite>Feline_Heart posted [p:880071085] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleScootaIoo posted...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> How did you come to this conclusion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Silver Bearings 05/30/17 10:20:40 AM #21:	Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California. --- "Employee demonstrates an acceptable level of competence." #2 Tom Brady Fan, Local Disc Golf Champion <cite>Silver Bearings posted [p:880071123] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeyPuff 05/30/17 10:20:59 AM #22:	Feline_Heart posted... LittleScootaIoo posted... So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... How did you come to this conclusion? Because he's an idiot who doesn't know what proportion means --- http://imgur.com/anVgnqe Hi, I'm puff_stinks/___ingGorilla http://imgur.com/YtOjPfY Taxin' that ass <cite>HeyPuff posted [p:880071136] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Feline_Heart posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleScootaIoo posted...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> How did you come to this conclusion?</quote> Because he's an idiot who doesn't know what proportion means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 05/30/17 10:21:21 AM #23:	After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the fines will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more. This is just to prevent poor people from having their licenses suspended. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB185 --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:880071148] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the fines will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more. This is just to prevent poor people from having their licenses suspended. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB185</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 05/30/17 10:21:30 AM #24:	LittleScootaIoo posted... So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... Oh lordy, we go easy on the poor's wallets on traffic violations and suddenly there's gonna be a crime spree statewide. eye roll --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:880071155] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleScootaIoo posted...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> Oh lordy, we go easy on the poor's wallets on traffic violations and suddenly there's gonna be a crime spree statewide. eye roll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Silver Bearings 05/30/17 10:24:47 AM #25:	SK8T3R215 posted... After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the finest will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more. Well, this is actually reasonable. --- "Employee demonstrates an acceptable level of competence." #2 Tom Brady Fan, Local Disc Golf Champion <cite>Silver Bearings posted [p:880071312] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the finest will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more.</quote> Well, this is actually reasonable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CatataFish462 05/30/17 10:26:48 AM #26:	LittleScootaIoo posted... So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... Pretty much. <cite>CatataFish462 posted [p:880071407] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleScootaIoo posted...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> Pretty much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quicksilver 05/30/17 10:41:29 AM #27:	When I was poor I never sped or broke any traffic laws. I figured out my ideal speed to maximize mpg and I never exceeded that speed. I was very cautious too I knew I could not afford a new car if I got into an accident. Honestly if you are speeding you are probably not poor because you have a lot of money to waste on gas. Traffic laws exist for a reson not only to protect the individual but the other people on the road with the individual. If you are so reckless and callous as to put other people lives in danger you deserve a hefty fine. I feel the fines are too lenient as it is and now they want to lower them. This isn't an issue about being poor it is an issue about putting lives in danger. --- I play video games. <cite>Quicksilver posted [p:880072121] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>When I was poor I never sped or broke any traffic laws. I figured out my ideal speed to maximize mpg and I never exceeded that speed. I was very cautious too I knew I could not afford a new car if I got into an accident. Honestly if you are speeding you are probably not poor because you have a lot of money to waste on gas. Traffic laws exist for a reson not only to protect the individual but the other people on the road with the individual. If you are so reckless and callous as to put other people lives in danger you deserve a hefty fine. I feel the fines are too lenient as it is and now they want to lower them. This isn't an issue about being poor it is an issue about putting lives in danger.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sanktu_Vyvorant 05/30/17 10:41:48 AM #28:	fenderbender321 posted... How much money is it going to cost the government to pay a department to monitor and verify everyone's income for traffic infractions? Waste of resources, IMO. Huge waste. And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me. Uh, not a lot actually. They already have records for that stuff. At most they'd have to add a program (or add to the existing ones that police use in their vehicles) to allow them to search that information on the go --- "You know that NATO didn't exist before 9/11, right?" - Mal_Fet <cite>Sanktu_Vyvorant posted [p:880072135] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>How much money is it going to cost the government to pay a department to monitor and verify everyone's income for traffic infractions? Waste of resources, IMO. Huge waste. And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me.</quote> Uh, not a lot actually. They already have records for that stuff. At most they'd have to add a program (or add to the existing ones that police use in their vehicles) to allow them to search that information on the go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 05/30/17 10:45:30 AM #29:	Silver Bearings posted... Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California. How are Californian traffic laws burdening you? --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:880072292] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Silver Bearings posted...</cite> <quote>Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California.</quote> How are Californian traffic laws burdening you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/30/17 10:45:42 AM #30:	SK8T3R215 posted... After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the fines will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more. This is just to prevent poor people from having their licenses suspended. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB185 Sounds pretty fair --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:880072304] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>SK8T3R215 posted...</cite> <quote>After reading the article and one of the bills this looks like the fines will be the same, but if someone's income is low the fine cannot exceed 5% of their monthly income. I don't see anything about the rich paying more because they make more. This is just to prevent poor people from having their licenses suspended. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB185</quote> Sounds pretty fair</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 05/30/17 10:46:15 AM #31:	Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:880072328] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 05/30/17 10:46:54 AM #32:	NathanX95 posted... This is awesome, I really hope it passes since I live here. --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:880072355] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>NathanX95 posted...</cite> <quote>This is awesome, I really hope it passes since I live here.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SK8T3R215 05/30/17 10:47:19 AM #33:	weapon_d00d816 posted... Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back. Read the bill they aren't increasing fines on the rich. This board is so awful when people read headlines only and what the TC posts. --- New York Knicks, New York Jets, New York Yankees. <cite>SK8T3R215 posted [p:880072378] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back.</quote> Read the bill they aren't increasing fines on the rich. This board is so awful when people read headlines only and what the TC posts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 05/30/17 10:47:38 AM #34:	weapon_d00d816 posted... Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back. Read the post above yours, the topic title is misleading --- Oda break tracker 2017- 4 (2) Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:880072395] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>weapon_d00d816 posted...</cite> <quote>Ehh, the cops profile enough as it is to meet quotas and collect money. This would only make it so driving anything remotely expensive would put a huge target on your back.</quote> Read the post above yours, the topic title is misleading</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 05/30/17 10:49:41 AM #35:	Ah okay --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:880072473] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Ah okay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 05/30/17 10:50:31 AM #36:	I have to drive to Bellevue 2-3 days a week and I always illegally drive in the HOV lane because its only like a $100 fine. At this point a ticket would put me at less than $1 a trip, so my time is more valuable than money. --- http://i.imgur.com/O3syCWD.gif http://i.imgur.com/k3YiBdG.gif <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:880072520] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>I have to drive to Bellevue 2-3 days a week and I always illegally drive in the HOV lane because its only like a $100 fine. At this point a ticket would put me at less than $1 a trip, so my time is more valuable than money.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/30/17 10:52:54 AM #37:	KILBOTz posted... I have to drive to Bellevue 2-3 days a week and I always illegally drive in the HOV lane because its only like a $100 fine. At this point a ticket would put me at less than $1 a trip, so my time is more valuable than money. god damn lexus lanes they do need to increase the fees and/or fines for that --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:880072648] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>KILBOTz posted...</cite> <quote>I have to drive to Bellevue 2-3 days a week and I always illegally drive in the HOV lane because its only like a $100 fine. At this point a ticket would put me at less than $1 a trip, so my time is more valuable than money.</quote> god damn lexus lanes they do need to increase the fees and/or fines for that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 06/01/17 3:56:15 AM #39:	Good. Stupid fucking system in the first place to not do this. If I was wealthy as shit I would never bother parking anywhere I was supposed to. I would just put my car in the most illegal places and deal with a $50 ticket. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z316/CeliaOfTheSky/Pinky0926.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:880191647] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Good. Stupid fucking system in the first place to not do this. If I was wealthy as shit I would never bother parking anywhere I was supposed to. I would just put my car in the most illegal places and deal with a $50 ticket.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 06/01/17 4:01:48 AM #40:	Chicken posted... if $100 is a week's worth of food, then they shouldn't break the fucking law in the first place. > implying all law breaking is intentional --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:880191761] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Chicken posted...</cite> <quote>if $100 is a week's worth of food, then they shouldn't break the fucking law in the first place.</quote> > implying all law breaking is intentional</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l Dudeboy l 06/01/17 4:05:28 AM #41:	Silver Bearings posted... Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California. No rules have been changed, are you blind? --- You are now breathing manually. Lets put a little lead in the air, and see what falls over. <cite>l Dudeboy l posted [p:880191829] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Silver Bearings posted...</cite> <quote>Sure. Let's make different rules for different people. This is asinine. I wish California would just become its own country and stop burdening the rest of us. The Socialist Republic of California.</quote> No rules have been changed, are you blind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj-kenobi 06/01/17 4:05:33 AM #42:	meh if I was rich I'd park in disabled spots and stay in 1 hour parking zones as long as I like if it were just chump change <cite>ssj-kenobi posted [p:880191831] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>meh if I was rich I'd park in disabled spots and stay in 1 hour parking zones as long as I like if it were just chump change</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PtlessAgmnts 06/03/17 12:38:54 AM #43:	California <cite>PtlessAgmnts posted [p:880313183] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>California</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sir Will 06/05/17 1:51:59 AM #45:	Silver Bearings posted... Sure. Let's make different rules for different people It's not --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:880434041] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>Silver Bearings posted...</cite> <quote>Sure. Let's make different rules for different people</quote> It's not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/17 11:13:13 AM #46:	If you really want to help the poor, eliminate "court costs" and mandatory surcharges as a concept. There's no reason whatsoever that a $35 ticket should end up costing $180, even when mailed in. fenderbender321 posted... How much money is it going to cost the government to pay a department to monitor and verify everyone's income for traffic infractions? Waste of resources, IMO. Huge waste. And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me. Or, you know, just bring your tax return to the court date. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:880517047] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>If you really want to help the poor, eliminate "court costs" and mandatory surcharges as a concept. There's no reason whatsoever that a $35 ticket should end up costing $180, even when mailed in. <cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>How much money is it going to cost the government to pay a department to monitor and verify everyone's income for traffic infractions? Waste of resources, IMO. Huge waste. And nobody even thinks about these kinds of cost except me.</quote> Or, you know, just bring your tax return to the court date.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
E32005 06/06/17 11:20:34 AM #47:	Good --- http://i.imgur.com/LAvnefi.gif http://i.imgur.com/6kW9fXL.gif <cite>E32005 posted [p:880517563] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReignFury 06/06/17 11:27:54 AM #49:	CatataFish462 posted... LittleScootaIoo posted... So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more... Pretty much. Not if the current fines are the starting point for lowest income earners. --- MAKE AMERICA SMART AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:880518047] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>CatataFish462 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LittleScootaIoo posted...</cite> <quote>So then the poor will start disregarding the laws even more...</quote> Pretty much.</quote> Not if the current fines are the starting point for lowest income earners.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 06/06/17 11:33:27 AM #50:	Doesn't proportional fines to income break the whole concept of "a punishment fitting the crime?" The whole idea of a $100 ticket is someone somewhere determined that cost as what was fair for the crime. If one person gets a $100 ticket and another person gets a $10,000 ticket for the same thing, not only does that destroy the whole "equality" thing, and brings up a question of whether the latter is cruel/unusual punishment, but we now need to consider whether that $10k ticket, in isolation, is fitting for the crime. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:880518448] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't proportional fines to income break the whole concept of "a punishment fitting the crime?" The whole idea of a $100 ticket is someone somewhere determined that cost as what was fair for the crime. If one person gets a $100 ticket and another person gets a $10,000 ticket for the same thing, not only does that destroy the whole "equality" thing, and brings up a question of whether the latter is cruel/unusual punishment, but we now need to consider whether that $10k ticket, in isolation, is fitting for the crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir Will 06/06/17 11:35:51 AM #51:	s0nicfan posted... brings up a question of whether the latter is cruel/unusual punishment ...fucking no. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir Will posted [p:880518608] in California... [t:75401992]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>brings up a question of whether the latter is cruel/unusual punishment</quote> ...fucking no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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