Poll of the Day > Who is worse Trump or Hitler?

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ImmortalityV
05/27/17 1:23:21 PM
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Just curious as to who the worse leader is.
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Mead
05/27/17 1:25:19 PM
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Toby from the office
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RedPixel
05/27/17 1:26:27 PM
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Mead posted...
Toby from the office

GOT 'EE!
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DarkwingDidi
05/27/17 1:27:21 PM
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Considering Trump is still alive...
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waterdeepchu
05/27/17 1:36:24 PM
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Hitler has that whole Holocaust thing going for him, and that's pretty hard to top.
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Dreaming_King
05/27/17 2:06:59 PM
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waterdeepchu posted...
Hitler has that whole Holocaust thing going for him, and that's pretty hard to top.

The topic is asking who's the worse leader, not person.
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jsb0714
05/27/17 2:09:16 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
waterdeepchu posted...
Hitler has that whole Holocaust thing going for him, and that's pretty hard to top.

The topic is asking who's the worse leader, not person.

The first post may mention that but the topic itself does not.
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Erik_P
05/27/17 2:10:10 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
waterdeepchu posted...
Hitler has that whole Holocaust thing going for him, and that's pretty hard to top.

The topic is asking who's the worse leader, not person.


And you think your response somehow changes things?
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Zeus
05/27/17 2:12:18 PM
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I'm honestly still surprised Immortality haven't been banned for all of his shenanigans yet. It's like the classic story about death taking a holiday, except change that to the mods being completely AWOL (unless it's a mod's troll alt, which would make a lot of sense).
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TheOrangeMisfit
05/27/17 2:24:58 PM
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Hitler ordered the murder of 6 million jews, took Germany out of a depression, then brought it right back in

Trump said some offensive things

It's pretty close I guess
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Nade Duck
05/27/17 2:26:41 PM
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hitler arguably killed more people, but trump would probably be more terrible to get a drink with.

idk.
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Dreaming_King
05/27/17 2:30:53 PM
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Erik_P posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
waterdeepchu posted...
Hitler has that whole Holocaust thing going for him, and that's pretty hard to top.

The topic is asking who's the worse leader, not person.


And you think your response somehow changes things?

I'm just saying on a "strategic" level the Holocaust was dumb, but not as bad as it is if you're looking at it from a moral standpoint. Hitler wanted lebensraum and a "pure" populace so he would have had to do it eventually, but he could have probably held off until after the war, priorities and all that.
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Zeus
05/27/17 2:31:42 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
H- arguably killed more people, but trump would probably be more terrible to get a drink with.

idk.


Because apparently drinking with a teetotaler who will spend the whole time lecturing you about the evils of drink is more fun than drinking with a guy who actually drinks? >_>
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Zeus
05/27/17 2:32:50 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
I'm just saying on a "strategic" level the Holocaust was dumb, but not as bad as it is if you're looking at it from a moral standpoint. Hitler wanted lebensraum and a "pure" populace so he would have had to do it eventually, but he could have probably held off until after the war, priorities and all that.


Wait, did you just try to argue that the Holocaust was justified on MORAL grounds? -_-
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Dreaming_King
05/27/17 2:35:34 PM
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Zeus posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
I'm just saying on a "strategic" level the Holocaust was dumb, but not as bad as it is if you're looking at it from a moral standpoint. Hitler wanted lebensraum and a "pure" populace so he would have had to do it eventually, but he could have probably held off until after the war, priorities and all that.


Wait, did you just try to argue that the Holocaust was justified on MORAL grounds? -_-

What? I'm saying the morality of it is pointless to the question of if Hitler was a bad leader or not. Good Morals=/=Good Leader and vice versa.
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Erik_P
05/27/17 2:38:11 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Zeus posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
I'm just saying on a "strategic" level the Holocaust was dumb, but not as bad as it is if you're looking at it from a moral standpoint. Hitler wanted lebensraum and a "pure" populace so he would have had to do it eventually, but he could have probably held off until after the war, priorities and all that.


Wait, did you just try to argue that the Holocaust was justified on MORAL grounds? -_-

What? I'm saying the morality of it is pointless to the question of if Hitler was a bad leader or not. Good Morals=/=Good Leader and vice versa.


So in other words you're trying your hardest to get banned.
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Dreaming_King
05/27/17 2:46:05 PM
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OK, let me spell it out for you.

On a scale of 1-10 the Holocaust was like a 15 on the "dick move" scale. It was more like an 8.8 on the "why are we spending so much time and resources on this while in the middle of a world war again? This is stupid" scale.

If the topic was about who, between Trump and Hitler is the worse person, Hitler would obviously win because of it. However the opening post clearly asked who is the worse leader, the Holocaust being a dumb move on Hitler's part, but it's not the death blow it would be if we were talking about morals.

Get it?
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Zeus
05/27/17 2:51:11 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
It was more like an 8.8 on the "why are we spending so much time and resources on this while in the middle of a world war again? This is stupid" scale.


Wait, are you not aware that they also used it for dissidents? When it was applied to other nations (and actually even in Germany later on), it wasn't just Jews being rounded up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

It was rather specifically used to terrorize the population because not only would they grab some dissidents, but their families would be sentenced as well which is a tactic seen in other fascist states like the old Soviet Russia and North Korea.
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Erik_P
05/27/17 2:51:58 PM
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Dreaming_King posted...
OK, let me spell it out for you.

On a scale of 1-10 the Holocaust was like a 15 on the "dick move" scale. It was more like an 8.8 on the "why are we spending so much time and resources on this while in the middle of a world war again? This is stupid" scale.

If the topic was about who, between Trump and Hitler is the worse person, Hitler would obviously win because of it. However the opening post clearly asked who is the worse leader, the Holocaust being a dumb move on Hitler's part, but it's not the death blow it would be if we were talking about morals.

Get it?


Xd

You actually think that sounds better? Good lord. Just stop before you dig your hole deeper.
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Dreaming_King
05/27/17 2:58:54 PM
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Zeus posted...
Dreaming_King posted...
It was more like an 8.8 on the "why are we spending so much time and resources on this while in the middle of a world war again? This is stupid" scale.


Wait, are you not aware that they also used it for dissidents? When it was applied to other nations (and actually even in Germany later on), it wasn't just Jews being rounded up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

It was rather specifically used to terrorize the population because not only would they grab some dissidents, but their families would be sentenced as well which is a tactic seen in other fascist states like the old Soviet Russia and North Korea.

It wasn't entirely "pointless" I know that, I gave an example above. The thing is, I feel like Hitler was still too obsessed with it, like it could have been lower on his priority list, and that is an example of bad leadership.

Oh and Erik, close your account.
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OhhhJa
05/27/17 3:17:32 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
hitler arguably killed more people, but trump would probably be more terrible to get a drink with.

idk.

Arguably
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Zeus
05/27/17 3:20:23 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Nade Duck posted...
h- arguably killed more people, but trump would probably be more terrible to get a drink with.

idk.

Arguably


I can't imagine how, for the previously stated reasons.
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ImmortalityV
05/27/17 3:23:51 PM
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I would never drink with Hitler knowing what he did and if I were to drink with Trump I would mock him in my mind while he gets drunk. I don't drink alcohol.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/27/17 3:24:43 PM
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Apples and oranges. Hitler took post-WWI Germany and made the planet shit its pants in "we're getting conquered" terror over the course of less than a decade. Trump hasn't committed a genocide, but he's basically fucking everything up like he lost a war. Trump is definitely much stupider and more self-serving.

Also, Stalin and Hirohito were infinitely worse than Hitler.
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ImmortalityV
05/27/17 3:31:55 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Apples and oranges. Hitler took post-WWI Germany and made the planet shit its pants in "we're getting conquered" terror over the course of less than a decade. Trump hasn't committed a genocide, but he's basically fucking everything up like he lost a war. Trump is definitely much stupider and more self-serving.

Also, Stalin and Hirohito were infinitely worse than Hitler.

How they did not kill 6 million jews?
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TheCyborgNinja
05/27/17 3:35:24 PM
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Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths

It doesn't matter if they're Jews or not. Only a fucking SJW is okay with "equal rights murder"...
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Erik_P
05/27/17 3:37:41 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths

It doesn't matter if they're Jews or not. Only a fucking SJW is okay with "equal rights murder"...


Only a right winger tries to dismiss a mass murderer because he didn't kill enough people.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/27/17 3:38:44 PM
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Erik_P posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths

It doesn't matter if they're Jews or not. Only a fucking SJW is okay with "equal rights murder"...


Only a right winger tries to dismiss a mass murderer because he didn't kill enough people.

I said they're worse, which indicates he's still bad. Or it would if you could fucking read.
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Erik_P
05/27/17 3:43:04 PM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
Erik_P posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths

It doesn't matter if they're Jews or not. Only a fucking SJW is okay with "equal rights murder"...


Only a right winger tries to dismiss a mass murderer because he didn't kill enough people.

I said they're worse, which indicates he's still bad. Or it would if you could fucking read.


You decided to bust out the phrase beloved by all right wingers so it seemed plausible you would dismiss the Holocaust.
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Zeus
05/27/17 3:44:16 PM
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ImmortalityV posted...
I would never drink with Hitler knowing what he did and if I were to drink with Trump I would mock him in my mind while he gets drunk. I don't drink alcohol.


Then you'd probably get along with Hitler, since he also abhorred alcohol. The two of you could sit together and mock everybody else in the bar for drinking.

ImmortalityV posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Apples and oranges. Hitler took post-WWI Germany and made the planet shit its pants in "we're getting conquered" terror over the course of less than a decade. Trump hasn't committed a genocide, but he's basically fucking everything up like he lost a war. Trump is definitely much stupider and more self-serving.

Also, Stalin and Hirohito were infinitely worse than Hitler.

How they did not kill 6 million jews?


Because they didn't have 6 million to kill? I don't know how familiar you are with Japan, but it doesn't exactly have a large Jewish population.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths


But how many of those are military deaths vs civilian? I know that Stalin was big on camps and mass executions, but I thought Hirohito's stuff was more a matter of warfare.
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jamieyello3
05/27/17 3:45:06 PM
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Hitler was pretty damn good at what he did, just saying.

Anyway, most modern presidents are PC Hitler. They don't kill by race, they kill for money and power.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/27/17 3:45:43 PM
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Zeus posted...
ImmortalityV posted...
I would never drink with Hitler knowing what he did and if I were to drink with Trump I would mock him in my mind while he gets drunk. I don't drink alcohol.


Then you'd probably get along with Hitler, since he also abhorred alcohol. The two of you could sit together and mock everybody else in the bar for drinking.

ImmortalityV posted...
TheCyborgNinja posted...
Apples and oranges. Hitler took post-WWI Germany and made the planet shit its pants in "we're getting conquered" terror over the course of less than a decade. Trump hasn't committed a genocide, but he's basically fucking everything up like he lost a war. Trump is definitely much stupider and more self-serving.

Also, Stalin and Hirohito were infinitely worse than Hitler.

How they did not kill 6 million jews?


Because they didn't have 6 million to kill? I don't know how familiar you are with Japan, but it doesn't exactly have a large Jewish population.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
Stalin - 20M estimated deaths
Hirohito - 100M estimated deaths


But how many of those are military deaths vs civilian? I know that Stalin was big on camps and mass executions, but I thought Hirohito's stuff was more a matter of warfare.

It's hard to know for certain because of the sheer volume. Estimates vary between China and Japan, because of bias, but they range from 10s of millions to 120~ million. Hirohito is mostly guilty of murdering Chinese people. The Japanese basically slaughtered them like cattle. But Erik has implied those deaths are acceptable because they weren't as discriminatory or something.
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Veemon_X
05/27/17 4:01:26 PM
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Probably the guy who sent what was essentially a death task force after his own people.

If you want to talk about who displayed more charisma though, Hitler takes the cake. Hell, even compared to other leaders today.
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Judgmenl
05/27/17 4:07:31 PM
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IAmNowGone
05/27/17 4:17:31 PM
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im confused, did erik say trump was worse or..?
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Erik_P
05/27/17 4:27:18 PM
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IAmNowGone posted...
im confused, did erik say trump was worse or..?


Not sure how you managed to dream up that.
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FourthDimension
05/27/17 4:28:12 PM
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Hard to say, really.
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IAmNowGone
05/27/17 4:49:59 PM
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Erik_P posted...
IAmNowGone posted...
im confused, did erik say trump was worse or..?


Not sure how you managed to dream up that.


is it really that far fetched tho erik really?
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Erik_P
05/27/17 4:58:45 PM
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IAmNowGone posted...
Erik_P posted...
IAmNowGone posted...
im confused, did erik say trump was worse or..?


Not sure how you managed to dream up that.


is it really that far fetched tho erik really?


Yes it is because the only way you could possibly reach that conclusion is through a complete shutdown of critical thinking.
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KroganCharr
05/27/17 4:58:56 PM
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jamieyello3 posted...
Hitler was pretty damn good at what he did, just saying.


Yes, but only initially. His rise to power was brilliant. After that, however, the only thing he really had going for him is the ability to defend his position as dictator. Even before the war his policies at best had short term benefits. If Hitler had never gone to war, his Reich would have failed for the same reason any economy based on socialism is doomed.
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OhhhJa
05/27/17 5:03:28 PM
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Zeus posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Nade Duck posted...
h- arguably killed more people, but trump would probably be more terrible to get a drink with.

idk.

Arguably


I can't imagine how, for the previously stated reasons.

I think he was joking but I was making fun of that, not agreeing with it. Still, this is potd, so it's just as likely he was completely serious.
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Blighboy
05/27/17 5:06:07 PM
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Trump has probably killed more muslims than Hitler.
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OhhhJa
05/27/17 5:15:26 PM
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Obama killed way more than Trump. And more than bush
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Blighboy
05/27/17 5:16:43 PM
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But he's muslim so it's allowed.
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OhhhJa
05/27/17 5:20:45 PM
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Blighboy posted...
But he's muslim so it's allowed.

I know you're trying to make fun of me but I'm not one of those guys. I know he was an atheist masquerading as a Christian. Much like Trump
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KroganCharr
05/27/17 5:24:35 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Trump has probably killed more muslims than Hitler.


The worst violent prosecution of Muslims is done by other Muslims
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jamieyello3
05/27/17 5:59:29 PM
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KroganCharr posted...
Yes, but only initially. His rise to power was brilliant. After that, however, the only thing he really had going for him is the ability to defend his position as dictator. Even before the war his policies at best had short term benefits. If Hitler had never gone to war, his Reich would have failed for the same reason any economy based on socialism is doomed.

Yeah, later in life he went totally mad. Well, even madder.
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Lokarin
05/27/17 6:00:08 PM
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Trump is only ordering the deaths of 34million - much much less than Hitler
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Zeus
05/27/17 6:36:39 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Trump has probably killed more muslims than Hitler.


I doubt that.

Lokarin posted...
Trump is only ordering the deaths of 34million - much much less than Hitler


If you're going to make up a number, you can do better than that. Why not claim that he's ordered the deaths of 20 trillion? That way it'd be all the humans on Earth and then several other planets.
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Lokarin
05/27/17 7:16:52 PM
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Zeus posted...

If you're going to make up a number, you can do better than that. Why not claim that he's ordered the deaths of 20 trillion? That way it'd be all the humans on Earth and then several other planets.


I'm going with the number of people on welfare/medicaid as stated in the other topic.
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