Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic...where did everybody go?

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From what I understand, there are a ton of mechanics that allow you to pull cards from your deck, and Spies + replay allow you to draw a good amount of cards every game. If anything it seemed a little TOO consistent when I tried, but I didn't really get entrenched.

It seemed fine, but it really needs a mobile client because every time I try to play it on the PC, I think to myself that I could just go play Witcher 3 instead.
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Camden posted...

azuarc posted...

weird, I specifically searched for a thread yesterday or the day before, and didn't find one.

I'm assuming everyone who didn't see it has Ulti on ignore.

Did he start it?

edit: Considering the thread starts with #2, that must be it.
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Know whats dumb.

Pirate warrior is a hard matchup for me. So I have two crawlers in my deck. Do you know how many times I've had it in my opening hand versus pirate warrior?

Never.
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This guy misses obvious lethal like all he had to do was not trade. And the next turn he plays yogg and the very last spell is twisting nether.

Next up warrior uses brawl. I have a 33% chance of having lethal next turn, 33% chance of likely having an advantage large enough to win, 33% of just losing.

guess which one happens.
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skull_bonek23 posted...

My favorite decks in Hearthstone include drawing a lot of cards so I wasn't really a fan of Gwent. The core mechanic just seems very limiting when you build a whole deck and don't get to see half of the cards. I'll admit I was definitely a noob though and didn't put much time into it.

Drawing cards is definitely the way to win!
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I played Explore Un'Goro from an Elise Pack to stay alive from a Face Hunter.

Priest of the Feast too good
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Kinda fun to see what's going on in the meta

Mage seems like the best class right now, Pirate Warrior is underplayed, Shaman is rising up as Rogue is falling (Both Jade Control and Tokens are good), Dragon Priest is pretty solid as it beats Shaman and Mage quite well. Hunter is ditching Highmane. Paladin is still strong with Midrange seeming like the best. Druid can either blitz or grind you out depending on the archetype. Warlock is not in the meta.

Constructed is fun
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Heroic Chess is going to be the reason I don't finish the heroic wings. Over the last two days, I think I'm at 0-18 so far.
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I wonder if they changed the AI for Chess. All of the strategies I see online insist that the opponent will coin out a second pawn on turn one, but this has never happened a single time so far.
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The greatest AI thing I've seen was like nefarian or whoever living rooting or something his own divine shield minion.
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I wasn't counting to begin with, but after at least 183 attempts* I finally beat Heroic Chess. Computer played the coin on turn 1 zero times, so something happened since this wing initially came out to completely alter that part of it's script. I imagine things would have gone a lot smoother with that second coined pawn to play against so I wasn't staring down a 3v3 board on turn 2 and fighting for the necessary odd unit amount placement.

*About 150 of these were restarts in the first turn or two if my opening hand clearly wasn't capable of winning.
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Too many Egg Druids past Rank 10 in Wild.

....maybe I should craft Patches and join them
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Just play something that beats it. I rather like my pirate jade rogue. Played the hell out of it during Gadgetzan. Jade rogue's a neat archetype that has a few weaknesses that can be exploited, but the main one is that it can't regain the board if it loses it, so I supplement the deck with an extensive pirate package. Pirates at the start, jade for the rest. The pirates should handle your egg druids *most* of the time, long enough to get your bigger stuff on the board.
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Patches is probably gonna be a mainstay in wild forever so should be a good craft
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Also is it weird that I kinda want to craft Sneeds so I can play big beefy control Shaman in wild
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I don't think I've played an arena game this month that wasn't against a Mage or Paladin. Played four Paladins today in a row, three of whom had* Tirion and a combined six Steeds. Somehow backed myself into two wins against them.

Edit: How good is Wickerflame in arena? It's up against RNG shitshow Prince Malchezaar, and the last time I took Prince good things happened to me.
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I quit when Barnes came out

I just was tired of RNG the card game. I play more magic now
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Crazy fact: Barnes isn't even played in Standard

They made a bunch of really good battlecry minions that don't have synergy with it
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It's not like there's zero RNG, it's just mostly in Discover and other card generation.

ONIK was definitely a low point for the game. It's a lot more healthy now as long as you don't mind the occasional loss to babbling book.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

It's not like there's zero RNG, it's just mostly in Discover and other card generation.

ONIK was definitely a low point for the game. It's a lot more healthy now as long as you don't mind the occasional loss to Firelands Portal

Fixed
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VeryInsane posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

It's not like there's zero RNG, it's just mostly in Discover and other card generation.

ONIK was definitely a low point for the game. It's a lot more healthy now as long as you don't mind the occasional loss to Babbling Book giving the Mage a Firelands Portal

Fixed

Double fixed
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trdl23 posted...

VeryInsane posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

It's not like there's zero RNG, it's just mostly in Discover and other card generation.

ONIK was definitely a low point for the game. It's a lot more healthy now as long as you don't mind the occasional loss to Babbling Book giving the Mage a Cabalist's Tome that gives them a Primordial Glyph, Firelands Portal, and Meteor.

Fixed

Double fixed

Final fixed
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The more I think about the more I realize Glyph maybe a mistake

Giving Mage the opportunity to discover 5 mana Firelands Portals/Flamestrikes or reduced Burn may be just a tad broken
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Glyph is a pretty ridiculous card. So is Shadow Visions. Those are the two cards that really stand out among the spells from the last set. (Unless you count Crystal Core, of course.)
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I added crabs back into my hunter deck as now most of my opponents are sporting murlocs of some kind.

My god, did they come through tonight. Going 6-1 and climbing back to the middle of rank 3 (I don't really have a will to see if I can get higher now.)

Aggro druid is still a hard matchup even with the tech cards though. Mostly because they always seem to have living mana on turn 5, no matter what.
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I went 8-0 yesterday with my Hunter after taking out Kindly Grandmother

yes I realize that sounds insane, especially since it's such a high value card, but I was thinking about it and there really isn't any common match up in the current meta where having KG is better than not having it.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

It's not like there's zero RNG, it's just mostly in Discover and other card generation.

ONIK was definitely a low point for the game. It's a lot more healthy now as long as you don't mind the occasional loss to babbling book.

Huh... maybe I'll try it ag....

UltimaterializerX posted...

https://clips.twitch.tv/RelatedBlueMonkeySuperVinlin

This is totally a skill based game guys.

Nah
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a) Most of us have stopped listening to Ulti because all he does is complain about even the most minor of random elements in the game. (Or his terrible luck.)
b) I don't see what's so bad about that video. He had a 50/50 to win anyway. The Brawl play just raised his odds to 75.
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azuarc posted...

a) Most of us have stopped listening to Ulti because all he does is complain about even the most minor of random elements in the game. (Or his terrible luck.)
b) I don't see what's so bad about that video. He had a 50/50 to win anyway. The Brawl play just raised his odds to 75.

Like even Kripp and Kibler are coming out and saying the RNG power creep has gotten out of control. You are objectively wrong on this.
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I mean, the winner of the Americas prelim went 30-10 and didn't lose a set

Also, I always thought Grandmother was good against Mage and guaranteed a body to Razormaw so that's interesting
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Kripp and kibler are actually good players who understand the differences small choices in a turn can have on your chances of winning or losing. Kripp also is talking almost exclusively about arena which has been pushed into a corner since tgt. Ironically formats that seem good for constructed often have the worst arena ones and vice versa.
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The issue with grandmother is that it's so bad If you don't have a one drop before or don't specially have that and razormaw with the coin.

However. Like what else are you going to put into the deck?
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KokoroAkechi posted...

The issue with grandmother is that it's so bad If you don't have a one drop before or don't specially have that and razormaw with the coin.

However. Like what else are you going to put into the deck?

I mean, Hunter is in a "so bad" spot if they don't get a one drop anyway.
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Eh, it's a sticky beast so you can get good Houndmaster and Tundra Rhino/Razormaw value out of it

Hunter already runs all the 2s it can get though so yeah
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I replaced them with Infested Wolves and I always mulligan for 1 drops now. it's much better to have two 1/1's come down in the midgame (when I have tons of buffing options) than having a 1/1 in the early game (useless) that can turn into a 3/2 (generally when my opponent decides, which is not a good thing for me). I mean there were times when the kindly grandmother worked but a lot of matches I was not getting the maximum value you'd expect to get from it. especially when you consider how few of the current aggro decks are running 1 health minions. a lot of them are 3 health. so the grandmother just ends up being a too slow solution to an already faster aggro board.

having a body for razormaw or houndmaster makes sense but there's a problem with both of those, fundamentally. so razormaw is also a 2 mana play, which means if you're playing it on your grandmother/big bad wolf on turn 3 it's an off curve play. houndmaster is a 4 mana card and there's really no guarantee that the grandmother will actually stick around for 2 turns. a lot of the times she doesn't and it just gives the opponent an efficient way to trade something into both the 1/1 and the 3/2 before it can do anything.

someone mentioned mage but think about this...

mana wyrm: has 3 health. grandmother can't do anything. they aren't going to waste mana pinging a 1/1 just to turn it into a 3/2 for you. at best this one mana card is going to eat the grandmother for free and then also kill the big bad wolf by the time it comes out (if they don't counter it with something else)

most of the earlygame minions run right now follow this same general idea. they can pretty much eat the grandmother for free which does leave you with a big bad wolf, but... essentially you're just delaying the wolf coming out by a full turn and it comes out when your opponent wants it to. that is not a good strategy for a proactive class like hunter.
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I can't replace a 2, with a 4 or even a 3 with the types of decks I'm getting. I've been thinking of taking out jeweled macaw for something with two attack but I think jeweled macaw is a little too good for that.
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I guess it's important to note that I'm also running nesting roc, tundra rhino, scavenging hyena, and unleash the hounds. so yeah my midgame is really heavy and full of threats. I think if I lost the board early game I would have no way to recover, but that didn't happen in any of the games I played so far. and a big part of that was not having a slow, useless 1/1 played on turn 2.
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I think it's still a better turn 2 play than most other 2 drops Hunter has, believe it or not. At least if you fail to get a 1 drop and have an empty board.

Hyena is pretty shaky on an empty board.
Dire Wolf Alpha is good but not on an empty board (Also it's a card Grandmother has synergy with)
Razormaw is ok but it's better when you have a board.
Golakka Crawler is decent, it's a croc, but it is mainly meant to eat the Pirates that Pirate Warrior/Aggro Druid dish out at you. Still playable because of beast synergy.
Knife Juggler usually just gets killed before it can get value
Trogg is meh.

The way Hunter gets the board in the early game is through sticky minions that stay there and can get value. The reason for this is that they can can unlock the powerful beast synergy of cards like Razormaw/Houndmaster and can make some good trades. (A attack buff or plants deathrattle, for example).

Basically you stay on board then get your buffs and power minions on turns 4-5, then push face and try to kill at around 7 or 8 at the latest. The Hunter way.
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I mean theory and speculation are fine but I'm looking at actual results here
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my results improved drastically when I removed it
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(toast also recently hit legend with a f2p hunter deck where he did not use kindly grandmother. that's where I got the idea to take it out)
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That's fair, if it works for you it works.

I keep in mine because it's basically Haunted Creeper which served me extremely well when I played a lot of Hunter in the past
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Kindly Grandmother seems like a winmore card. However, the main reason for cutting it is because the card is essentially terrible versus priest. It's like a liability in the matchup.
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I have both Watch and Learn, and Challenge a Friend, and nobody's online. ><
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I'll play if you want
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Got it covered, but thanks.
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I wasn't doing it for you, I was doing it for me!

:^]
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