Board 8 > Persona 5 General Discussion Topic #6 - You must be tired... [spoilers]

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KamikazePotato
05/25/17 10:16:24 PM
#52:


Honestly, I feel like the end of the game is still down-to-earth, even considering the presentation. Yaldabaoth isn't a random demon god out of nowhere - he was created from people's willingness - as a whole - to overlook societal issues so it doesn't disrupt the status quo. It's probably the most important issue Persona 5 takes a look at, and it results in the game making the best use of Level 10 Social Links by far. When those you've inspired to be better raise their voices, they manage to convince other people to change as well.
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pyresword
05/25/17 10:21:33 PM
#53:


KamikazePotato posted...
Honestly, I feel like the end of the game is still down-to-earth, even considering the presentation. Yaldabaoth isn't a random demon god out of nowhere - he was created from people's willingness - as a whole - to overlook societal issues so it doesn't disrupt the status quo. It's probably the most important issue Persona 5 takes a look at, and it results in the game making the best use of Level 10 Social Links by far. When those you've inspired to be better raise their voices, they manage to convince other people to change as well.

Yeah, cant remember if I directly said this, but I do think it fits thematically, and actually pretty well at that. It's more of an atmosphere thing than anything. Or maybe it just switched into this mode too quickly I don't know. I could see myself liking it a lot more maybe if there was an arc in between Palace 7 and the endgame that did...I don't know, something to bridge the two events together a bit differently.
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Shadow Dino
05/25/17 10:33:35 PM
#54:


(Post 7th Palace)

That last stretch of exams after Shido's confession was entirely unnecessary. You could've used the days wasted there to show the cast slowly realizing that Shido having a change of heart isn't having the effect they were expecting and coming to the conclusion that they needed to go into Mementos.

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HeroDelTiempo17
05/25/17 11:55:11 PM
#55:


KamikazePotato posted...
Honestly, I feel like the end of the game is still down-to-earth, even considering the presentation. Yaldabaoth isn't a random demon god out of nowhere - he was created from people's willingness - as a whole - to overlook societal issues so it doesn't disrupt the status quo. It's probably the most important issue Persona 5 takes a look at, and it results in the game making the best use of Level 10 Social Links by far. When those you've inspired to be better raise their voices, they manage to convince other people to change as well.


This exactly. I'd say Persona 5 has the most unified ending in terms of theming throughout the game. 3 has this elaborate backstory for Apathy Syndrome and how it results in this apocalyptic scenario, but it was still manufactured. 4's "reach out to the truth" theme works incredibly well for the party, but extending it out to all of society it falls flat. The rest of society isn't made up of detectives and superpowered teens, so they have no real stake in the mystery. 5 involves society with the polls and the political angles, and I think makes a much better case for why everything is happening. My favorite aspect is how all of the villains you face throughout the game were escapees from this group mentality. It gets pretty dark when you realize that they separated themselves by being total scumbags, and by having these chumps not be the final villains, the game is implying that they might be preferable to complacency.
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KamikazePotato
05/26/17 12:14:42 AM
#56:


Also regarding Akechi: I overall like his character but it really bugs me that the party is so willing to forgive him at the end. He is a mass murderer (including killing a party member's father) and it's not like Shido was mind-controlling him, most of the decisions he made were his own. Dude deserved a less sappy death scene.
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Mac Arrowny
05/26/17 12:25:49 AM
#57:


With regard to Akechi, I actually liked him until he joined the party. During that period, he doesn't do anything to make friends with the party or whatever, despite that kinda being the point of his previous Confidant encounters with Joker. And then, when you confront him at the very end, he talks about his relationship with Joker and how similar they are or whatever, but we didn't get any of that when he was with the group. It was just such a wasted opportunity. Made him an incredibly boring character. I've never cared about a Persona party member less than I cared about Akechi when he was part of the group.
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Shadow Dino
05/26/17 12:37:23 AM
#58:


Akechi Spoilers
At the very least Haru mentions having no intentions of forgiving Akechi for killing her father. And Yusuke isn't as sympathetic with him as Ryuji and Makoto are.

I'm still puzzled why Futaba is as cordial as she is with Akechi. Maybe because she was fixated on Shido being the one that arranged her mother to be killed that it didn't occur to her that Akechi was likely the one that actually killed Wakaba?

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KamikazePotato
05/26/17 12:40:21 AM
#59:


Was actually just rewatching the scenes and Futaba more or less says that she emphasizes with Akechi because she knows what parent-based trauma can do, and how she wouldn't be there right now without the Phantom Thieves helping her. She tells him you can start over at any time.


I mean that's kind of glossing over the fact that Akechi crashed a subway train but hey!

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pyresword
05/26/17 1:05:10 AM
#60:


KamikazePotato posted...
Also regarding Akechi: I overall like his character but it really bugs me that the party is so willing to forgive him at the end. He is a mass murderer (including killing a party member's father) and it's not like Shido was mind-controlling him, most of the decisions he made were his own. Dude deserved a less sappy death scene.

I also thought this was kind of weird, but it didn't really bother me that much. I think the main thing the scene was going for was to get viewers and the characters to sympathize with Akechi, which I think it succeeded at pretty well. (Note sympathizing and forgiveness are not the same thing and I am only advocating that sympathizing was a good thing)

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
Honestly, I feel like the end of the game is still down-to-earth, even considering the presentation. Yaldabaoth isn't a random demon god out of nowhere - he was created from people's willingness - as a whole - to overlook societal issues so it doesn't disrupt the status quo. It's probably the most important issue Persona 5 takes a look at, and it results in the game making the best use of Level 10 Social Links by far. When those you've inspired to be better raise their voices, they manage to convince other people to change as well.


My favorite aspect is how all of the villains you face throughout the game were escapees from this group mentality. It gets pretty dark when you realize that they separated themselves by being total scumbags, and by having these chumps not be the final villains, the game is implying that they might be preferable to complacency.

For the record I don't even think the game was particularly ambiguous about this. Speaking of which I guess I can also say that the writers and I don't exactly see eye-to-eye philosophically, which may also be behind some of the complaints I've made. Quite honestly I don't think the prisoners in the final floors of Mementos were in all that bad a situation at all!
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foolm0r0n
05/26/17 2:13:21 AM
#61:


I heard legends of the black wall o text...
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Grand Kirby
05/26/17 1:28:06 PM
#62:


OH MY GOD. I just barely finished the last non-story Confidant on the last possible day. I was stressing out so much, I would have been super pissed if I missed it by one day. It was Tower, and the ironic thing was the reason I started it so late was because I would compile all my Mementos trips together to save time, not realizing that one of the missions unlocks a Confidant. In the end, even if I was forced to use my last back-up save (well, the last one after the last Palace I completed, I wasn't going through all that shit again) to restart it wouldn't have helped, I needed EVERY SINGLE day he appeared in order to max him.

I suppose it's my fault for not using a guide, but I felt like that would ruin the gameplay by a ton. I think that was important, I had a lot of fun coming up with the right strategy on how to max everything and make the best use of my time so it was worth it. The only problem was near the end when everybody I needed just stopped appearing for no reason. Couldn't predict some things, but in the end I was super satisfied with my work. Well, I mean, because it ended up working out in the end.

Also, I didn't discover you could mail postcards until literally the last time slot in the last day. That would have a helped a lot. Yeesh.
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pyresword
05/26/17 1:38:05 PM
#63:


Grand Kirby posted...
you could mail postcards

Why am I still learning new things about this game wtf.

What does this do?
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Grand Kirby
05/26/17 2:01:19 PM
#64:


It makes Confidants like you more and doesn't take time.
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HeroDelTiempo17
05/26/17 2:34:22 PM
#65:


wtf there's a free Fortune 7? HOW
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GANON1025
05/26/17 4:17:52 PM
#66:


(Post-Boss Palace 7 Spoilers) So Ryuji is a True Hero who risks his life for his friends. I don't see Yosuke running around a burning, sinking ship for the investigation team is all i'm saying.
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xp1337
05/26/17 11:59:06 PM
#67:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
wtf there's a free Fortune 7? HOW

I never actually used it, but I think it works like this (and isn't completely free):

At some point when the Phantom Thieves are really popular a shop in Shibuya Central Street (the one up by the Movie Theater) starts selling Phantom Thief styled postcards. You can buy them and then send them using the mailboxes near Leblanc. Once the Phantom Thieves popularity tanks though they aren't sold anymore. There's some other Phantom Thief-styled items sold by other stores at the same time too.
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Shadow Dino
05/27/17 1:38:22 AM
#68:


Found an artist that draws some really good Joker/Queen art:

https://twitter.com/freinoir

(Don't think there are anything super spoilery so far on their feed, but as usual with Twitter, some caution advised)
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GANON1025
05/27/17 12:57:55 PM
#69:


You know, i realized a problem with a female MC: there are a lack of cool guys to date. Sure, we all would want to date Akechi but since he is an auto-level s link that might not work. Then all who is left really is Ryuji and Yusuke. Outside of the party are people either too pathetic, too old or too creepy to date. This is of course assuming Persona 5 The Crimson doesnt allow same-gender dating
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Not_an_Owl
05/27/17 1:08:23 PM
#70:


GANON1025 posted...
You know, i realized a problem with a female MC: there are a lack of cool guys to date. Sure, we all would want to date Akechi but since he is an auto-level s link that might not work. Then all who is left really is Ryuji and Yusuke. Outside of the party are people either too pathetic, too old or too creepy to date. This is of course assuming Persona 5 The Crimson doesnt allow same-gender dating

P3P addressed this by changing several social links entirely for the FeMC (mostly by adding male party member links, which didn't exist before). I could see a potential P5 remake inventing a few male confidants for a female Joker.
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KommunistKoala
05/27/17 1:38:26 PM
#71:


easy to just plop a Marie in.

or a Marty in this case.

but hopefully they just make the current game better rather than introduce a new MC. Joker perfect already
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Grand Kirby
05/27/17 2:41:07 PM
#72:


Would Morgana be an option? Hell, he already wants to get you into bed...
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Dancedreamer
05/27/17 2:45:11 PM
#73:


Persona 5 female main character would be great.

Datable characters:
Ryuji
Yusuke
Mishima
Replace Hifumi
Replace Kawakami
Sae!!! (how upset would people be if she was a female romancable but not a male one!)

I think the hardest changes though would be Sojiro's attitude toward FemJoker and the whole incident with the reason Joker got in trouble in the first place (though I think it'd still work with a female character)
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swordz9
05/27/17 2:46:17 PM
#74:


There isn't a single guy in P5 even remotely cool enough for a female MC to date.
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GANON1025
05/27/17 2:47:15 PM
#75:


swordz9 posted...
There isn't a single guy in P5 even remotely cool enough for a female MC to date.


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GANON1025
05/27/17 2:48:05 PM
#76:


But yeah, replacing characters like P3P did would be the way to go.
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swordz9
05/27/17 2:54:42 PM
#77:


That wouldn't work for many reasons unless they like completely changed the story. He's lame anyways though. Yusuke is the coolest human guy in the game and he doesn't even seem interested in women as more than art and he's not even as cool as the P3-4 guys
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pyresword
05/27/17 2:55:18 PM
#78:


Yusuke x FemJoker for life.

Hell, Yusuke x Normal Joker for life while we're at it.
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Radix
05/27/17 3:00:21 PM
#79:


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Lightning Strikes
05/27/17 3:09:52 PM
#80:


Are you honestly saying you wouldn't romance Yusuke? Also Iwai, what a DILF.

Plenty of good husbando material in this game.
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GANON1025
05/27/17 6:02:34 PM
#81:


(Post-Palace 7 Spoilers) I really thought there was going to be a swerve with Shido's confession. Like either his cronies found a way to repress the change, or that he would confess in a way that would make people still want him to be prime minister.
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GANON1025
05/27/17 7:24:02 PM
#82:


.. Is there another requirement to fusing Satan besides having the judgment social link maxed? Because every combo I've read about and tried brings up Messiah as the fusion instead.
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foolm0r0n
05/27/17 11:16:43 PM
#83:


GANON1025 posted...
You know, i realized a problem with a female MC: there are a lack of cool guys to date. Sure, we all would want to date Akechi but since he is an auto-level s link that might not work. Then all who is left really is Ryuji and Yusuke. Outside of the party are people either too pathetic, too old or too creepy to date. This is of course assuming Persona 5 The Crimson doesnt allow same-gender dating

How about just let people date whoever, like a real RPG game?
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GANON1025
05/27/17 11:17:43 PM
#84:


Tell that to Atlus not me, i didnt do it
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foolm0r0n
05/27/17 11:20:12 PM
#85:


Dancedreamer posted...
Mishima

omg want
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swordz9
05/27/17 11:20:38 PM
#86:


I don't think a lot of Japanese games in general have same-sex dating. Well aside from the porn games, but I mean actual video games.
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KommunistKoala
05/27/17 11:57:13 PM
#87:


GANON1025 posted...
.. Is there another requirement to fusing Satan besides having the judgment social link maxed? Because every combo I've read about and tried brings up Messiah as the fusion instead.

King's Amulet or whatever + Shiva worked fine for me
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Zigzagoon
05/28/17 12:20:23 AM
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Mac Arrowny
05/28/17 12:40:43 AM
#89:


I wish you could downvote tweets and gamefaqs posts sometimes
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pyresword
05/28/17 12:43:13 AM
#90:


The video is grossly inaccurate anyways. The guy playing Ryuji is being way too subtle.
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GANON1025
05/28/17 7:08:46 AM
#91:


Apparently the problem is that with the messiah dlc any fusions that would normally give you Satan give you messiah instead since they are so close in level. The only way around it is to fuse messiah piccoro with certain treasure persona. Problem is I don't have them, and where I am right now makes it difficult to go back and get one.
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GANON1025
05/28/17 8:29:34 AM
#92:


I was able to find orlov, so I fused up Satan. Unfortunately I'm out of time and money so I can't fuse Lucifer, but an endgame team of Metatron/Yoshitsune/Satan/Trumpeter/Mara seems pretty good
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GANON1025
05/28/17 1:23:01 PM
#93:


Oh my god, this (Endgame Spoilers) Igor reveal... the voice change was a plot point??
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swordz9
05/28/17 1:27:34 PM
#94:


GANON1025 posted...
Oh my god, this (Endgame Spoilers) Igor reveal... the voice change was a plot point??

Not quite since Igor's voice actor died
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GANON1025
05/28/17 1:34:58 PM
#95:


Sure, I know that's the actual reason. But it's kind of funny that there is also an in-universe reason.
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swordz9
05/28/17 1:39:06 PM
#96:


Yeah, it was pretty neat.
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GANON1025
05/28/17 7:34:12 PM
#97:


I'm watching the credits right now. A++++ amazing game, best persona game I've played
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foolm0r0n
05/28/17 9:13:38 PM
#98:


The palace 6 battle arena is so funny if you have Rangda
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foolm0r0n
05/28/17 9:20:08 PM
#99:


Oh god Akechi's million coin gambit. This is some round 3 Liar Game (the only non-garbage story arc) shit.
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GANON1025
05/28/17 9:22:22 PM
#100:


I think Akechi is my favorite character in the game. I thought he was OK before the events of palace 6, then palace 6 he becomes great, and then after that, well, he somehow gets better
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Shadow Dino
05/28/17 9:51:45 PM
#101:


Fused myself an Alice. Also got her Victory Cry so she can serve as a general trash mob clearer
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