Poll of the Day > Islam is a religion of peace

(+) Yeah! (+)

It just preaches murder as a viable alternative to conversion, that's all. Still peaceful.
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troll police has become the troll
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All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit
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CountessRolab posted...

troll police has become the troll

You are honestly an erik p level shit poster these days boyo
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CountessRolab posted...

troll police has become the troll

I enjoyed the account a lot more when it actually policed trolls.
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There's no such thing as a religion of peace. Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.
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America is a champion of freedom, it just champions brutal dictatorships and imperialist policy as a viable alternative to democracy.
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Zareth posted...

Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.

I don't know of anything in Christianity or Judaism that say it's ok behead infidels and non believers.
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chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

that is mostly true- most religions have some form of violent directives (usually against non believers of that faith), I have never ever heard of anyone of the pastafarian or deist faiths using their religious beliefs to promote violence against others.

While I get what you are saying and generally agree, I am skeptical of the term "all".
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Peterass posted...

Zareth posted...

Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.

I don't know of anything in Christianity or Judaism that say it's ok behead infidels and non believers.

Keep in mind it's also the way things are preached and used but the Old Testament specifically (Deuteronomy 20) has god commanding his followers to kill all the males of opposing tribes (including male children) and forcibly take the women as their wives.

Christianity just declares psychological warfare in a sense by convincing people to actively browbeat people to change Brett by any means necessary.

Now I'm not attacking either thing- just pointing out.

But this is what happens when you don't update old doctrines that were created in the days of nomadic tribes and have no place in a civilized society today.

The fact that many of these religious tenets and ideals that are no longer followed or are rationalized and ignored by sane people who follow whichever religion in question we are referring to,

It becomes fodder for extremists hate mongers and terrorists of all kinds to use _______ religion as an excuse for violence and to incite others to violence.

If every religions highest clerical or whatever authority stepped in and officially clairified and removed or updated said portions then we would see less lunatics using it for their own twisted means in the future.
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Every religion has kooky stuff most followers don't listen to. Don't look at what's available to be preached, look at what people do. And then judge those people personally, rather than generalizing from that to everyone that has something in common with them. That's logic.

I mean, if you really want, you can use yourself as an example: You identify as a Christian, yet loathe the idea of giving your money to the poor, despite what the Bible instructs. Surely you've matured far enough past the teenage egocentrism phase to not think you're the only person in the world to so transcend literally interpreting your religious text of choice.
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Conner4REAL posted...

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

that is mostly true- most religions have some form of violent directives (usually against non believers of that faith), I have never ever heard of anyone of the pastafarian or deist faiths using their religious beliefs to promote violence against others.

While I get what you are saying and generally agree, I am skeptical of the term "all".

Deism isn't much a religion though. It's a religious philosophy which is defined by not believing in organized religion. It quite literally cannot be a religion.

I don't know about Pastafarians doe.
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chaosbowser posted...

I don't know about Pastafarians doe.

Pastafarianism is just Trolling: The Religion. It exists solely for the purpose of mocking other religions, so counting it's pretty questionable.
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adjl posted...

I mean, if you really want, you can use yourself as an example: You identify as a Christian, yet loathe the idea of giving your money to the poor, despite what the Bible instructs.

Oh look, adjl making assumptions. The fact that I don't believe charity should be fucking mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person. The difference between you and I is that I want people to have a choice and you are a fascist.
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Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?
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adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No. I have a family to take care of. It would be outright irresponsible to make myself destitute when

A. I have a child to raise
And
B. The fact that I have money means I can continue to work and earn money, a portion of which I donate to the philanthropic organizations of my choice.
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We should all become scientologists!
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Runner_style posted...

We should all become scientologists!

You mean that cult that ruins family relationships because interacting with exiled members is tantamount to spitting in the face of your belief?
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Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Now all you need to do is develop the self-awareness needed to recognize that you're not particularly special for being able to rationalize a non-literal interpretation of your chosen religious text, because that's something that literally every single religious person does.
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Peterass posted...

Zareth posted...

Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.

I don't know of anything in Christianity or Judaism that say it's ok behead infidels and non believers.

No, just stone, burn and straight up murder
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Conner4REAL posted...

Peterass posted...

Zareth posted...

Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.

I don't know of anything in Christianity or Judaism that say it's ok behead infidels and non believers.

Keep in mind it's also the way things are preached and used but the Old Testament specifically (Deuteronomy 20) has god commanding his followers to kill all the males of opposing tribes (including male children) and forcibly take the women as their wives.

Christianity just declares psychological warfare in a sense by convincing people to actively browbeat people to change Brett by any means necessary.

Now I'm not attacking either thing- just pointing out.

But this is what happens when you don't update old doctrines that were created in the days of nomadic tribes and have no place in a civilized society today.

The fact that many of these religious tenets and ideals that are no longer followed or are rationalized and ignored by sane people who follow whichever religion in question we are referring to,

It becomes fodder for extremists hate mongers and terrorists of all kinds to use _______ religion as an excuse for violence and to incite others to violence.

If every religions highest clerical or whatever authority stepped in and officially clairified and removed or updated said portions then we would see less lunatics using it for their own twisted means in the future.

Exactly. Best way to explain it. I am a christian and i enjoy the history of my religion but people take it too far. Those tenants were never supposed to be permanent. GOD gave them because they just broke away from slavery and needed some rules. So GOD had moses right them down. The only thing in the bible that GOD wrote himself is the ten commandment. I feel the bible is outdated but the new testament and jesus's teachings are what we should follow. Basically love everyone and don't treat others like dirt. The only crazy thing he did really was killing the dude poor sheep because they were cursed. Besides that he teaches you to respect everyone. He was pretty pissed how the jews treated gentiles. anywho ill stop the rant here. But as a christian I agree with what you said.
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I am not aware of any Buddhist, Taoist, Hindu, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Jedi, or any other modern religious group that has an ISIS equivalent. Nor am I aware of these religions in their modern incarnations committing anywhere near the number of atrocities done in the name of modern Islam.

Islam appears to be in need of a major reformation in the same way some of the religions above had.

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

The same way soap is just as dangerous as a pistol because there are people who slip on soap, sure.

I'm not on the lovey dovey wagon where we ignore realities because it's more altruistic.

That said the US still uses Islam as a tool to dehumanize people we bomb to hell.

jamieyello3 posted...

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

The same way soap is just as dangerous as a pistol because there are people who slip on soap, sure.

I'm not on the lovey dovey wagon where we ignore realities because it's more altruistic.

How is that a comparison? You have to point a gun at someone to shoot them and something has to set off the weapon.
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Because a gun more dangerous than soap. And if it's not, then you might as well let your kids play with guns.

#dealwithit

But hey! Both can kill.

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

Except the Christian faith seems to be the only one we're allowed to criticise. Every time someone tries to examine what about the faith might drive someone to commit these heinous acts, the world jumps in and says "#NOTALLMUSLIMS" "#ISLAMISARELIGIONOFPEACE".

We shit on Christianity 24-7 and ask why someone could be indoctrinated to the faith. We examine every facet of it in arguments every day. Why can't we do the same with Islam?

Of course the majority of Muslim people are non-violent. But there's still something there that enables these sick people to do what they do and it should be looked at. Especially when many of the non-violent people hold some very extreme beliefs as well.
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chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

This is like saying "All lives matter" in response to "Black lives matter".
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"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Who wants to guess where this is from?
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adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Now all you need to do is develop the self-awareness needed to recognize that you're not particularly special for being able to rationalize a non-literal interpretation of your chosen religious text, because that's something that literally every single religious person does.

It's somehow much easier to rationalize that than it is to rationalize, "convert or lose your head."

Smarkil posted...

Of course the majority of Muslim people are non-violent. But there's still something there that enables these sick people to do what they do and it should be looked at. Especially when many of the non-violent people hold some very extreme beliefs as well.

The important distinction, however, is between critically examining the ideology and hating those who identify with any of it. **** like this topic? That doesn't help anything. Schmen isn't looking to fix anything, or have an intelligent discussion, he's just generalizing a handful of incidents for the purpose of preaching indiscriminate hatred toward even the innocent, peaceful Muslims.

Quite simply, the people saying "Islam is a religion of peace" are not the ones murdering infidels (for the most part, because there will inevitably be exceptions to any generalization made about humans). They're people who have incorporated Islam's tenets into their lives in a peaceful manner that they feel has enriched them. They're people who are recognizing that a whole lot of people only see the violent, radical side of Islam, and are inviting those people to explore and learn about the good in it. Responding to that with this kind of scorn and derision is wrong. Don't direct the fear and anger that's meant for terrorists at innocent people.

Solid Sonic posted...

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

This is like saying "All lives matter" in response to "Black lives matter".

In some ways, you could make that argument. You should elaborate on that analogy, because you might actually have a pretty insightful point. That, or you're just noting the superficial similarity and not actually thinking about it at all, but I'll still invite you to build on it.
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OhhhJa posted...

It's somehow much easier to rationalize that than it is to rationalize, "convert or lose your head."

Ah, except that's the opposite of the point I'm making. The point is not that it's easy to rationalize following "behead people who won't convert," it's that it's easy to rationalize not following that bit, just like it's easy to rationalize not following the parts of the bible that forbid eating shellfish or wearing cotton/poly blends or giving away all of your money. If anything, it's actually easier, because a lot of the parts of the bible that people ignore are ignored because they're hard to follow (see: the whole unconditional forgiveness thing), not because following them would make you a dick.
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chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

Nope!
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Solid Sonic posted...

Runner_style posted...

We should all become scientologists!

You mean that cult that ruins family relationships because interacting with exiled members is tantamount to spitting in the face of your belief?

That's the one! The main reason members of the church are segregated from their families, and the way exiled members get treated the way they do is because they have been influenced by the Galactic Confederacy .

The church needs to keep its members pure by keeping them away from outside influences for when the final battle against the Galactic Confederacy begins. Any member that falters in their belief, or allows themselves to be influenced by people outside of the church not only have a weak mind and soul, they're also potential threat for humanities future, since they may allow agents of the Galactic Confederacy access to the Church destroying it from within.

Scientology is the last bastion of hope that exists on Teegeeack if they fall the Galactic Confederacy will descend upon the Planet and toss us into Volcanoes wiping humanity off of the face of the Planet!
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adjl posted...

OhhhJa posted...

It's somehow much easier to rationalize that than it is to rationalize, "convert or lose your head."

Ah, except that's the opposite of the point I'm making. The point is not that it's easy to rationalize following "behead people who won't convert," it's that it's easy to rationalize not following that bit, just like it's easy to rationalize not following the parts of the bible that forbid eating shellfish or wearing cotton/poly blends or giving away all of your money. If anything, it's actually easier, because a lot of the parts of the bible that people ignore are ignored because they're hard to follow (see: the whole unconditional forgiveness thing), not because following them would make you a dick.

I gather the point you're making. Let's call mine a counterpoint. It's a lot easier to rationalize your religion being one worth following when it preaches giving to the poor rather than convert or die horrifically

OhhhJa posted...

I gather the point you're making. Let's call mine a counterpoint. It's a lot easier to rationalize your religion being one worth following when it preaches giving to the poor rather than convert or die horrifically

That's more a tangent than a counterpoint, but regardless, it's been pointed out many times already that most other religions include their fair share of ugly violent bits. The bible's pretty fond of stoning people; it's not like giving to the poor is the most objectionable thing in there. Likewise, it's not like beheading non-believers is the nicest thing in the Quran. There's good stuff as well (including bits about giving to the poor). Healthily incorporating religion into one's life always entails picking and choosing which bits will actually be beneficial, regardless of the religion in question.
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adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Now all you need to do is develop the self-awareness needed to recognize that you're not particularly special for being able to rationalize a non-literal interpretation of your chosen religious text, because that's something that literally every single religious person does.

ok so, show me the biblical quote that you are taking out of context to reach this conclusion buddy. or just be adjl and make baseless claims, and do your usual thing. disregard 90% of the post someone else writes, and then write your own 99% redundtant post.

ill wait
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So the mods are perfectly cool with this kind of thread, but you call out homosexuality or make fun of feminists and you get instamodded.

Go figure, nationalist donkeys at their finest.
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adjl posted...

The bible's pretty fond of stoning people;

Old testament... I was waiting on you to bring that up

adjl posted...

Likewise, it's not like beheading non-believers is the nicest thing in the Quran

Maybe not... but that little tiny tidbit is enough to convince me to steer clear of the religion

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Now all you need to do is develop the self-awareness needed to recognize that you're not particularly special for being able to rationalize a non-literal interpretation of your chosen religious text, because that's something that literally every single religious person does.

ok so, show me the biblical quote that you are taking out of context to reach this conclusion buddy. or just be adjl and make baseless claims, and do your usual thing. disregard 90% of the post someone else writes, and then write your own 99% redundtant post.

ill wait

Probably the best-known one would be Matthew 19:21-24:

21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell what you own and give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.” 22But when the young man heard this statement he went away sad, because he had many possessions.

Of course, fixating on that specific detail is rather disregarding the point I was making, so I suggest that you give my post another read and try to understand it better.
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OhhhJa posted...

Old testament... I was waiting on you to bring that up

It's still in there.

OhhhJa posted...

Maybe not... but that little tiny tidbit is enough to convince me to steer clear of the religion

But the presence of pro-stoning passages in the bible isn't enough to convince you to steer clear of Christianity? Sure, when you get into practicing the religion you find that those parts are considered outdated and no longer relevant, but if you're going to claim that you're being impartial, you should be delving similarly deeply into Islam before making that call.
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adjl posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Old testament... I was waiting on you to bring that up

It's still in there.

OhhhJa posted...

Maybe not... but that little tiny tidbit is enough to convince me to steer clear of the religion

But the presence of pro-stoning passages in the bible isn't enough to convince you to steer clear of Christianity? Sure, when you get into practicing the religion you find that those parts are considered outdated and no longer relevant, but if you're going to claim that you're being impartial, you should be delving similarly deeply into Islam before making that call.

Virtually nobody follows the old testament... you can't just ignore facts bc they're inconvenient for your narrative

adjl posted...

Smarkil posted...

Of course the majority of Muslim people are non-violent. But there's still something there that enables these sick people to do what they do and it should be looked at. Especially when many of the non-violent people hold some very extreme beliefs as well.

The important distinction, however, is between critically examining the ideology and hating those who identify with any of it. **** like this topic? That doesn't help anything. Schmen isn't looking to fix anything, or have an intelligent discussion, he's just generalizing a handful of incidents for the purpose of preaching indiscriminate hatred toward even the innocent, peaceful Muslims.

Quite simply, the people saying "Islam is a religion of peace" are not the ones murdering infidels (for the most part, because there will inevitably be exceptions to any generalization made about humans). They're people who have incorporated Islam's tenets into their lives in a peaceful manner that they feel has enriched them. They're people who are recognizing that a whole lot of people only see the violent, radical side of Islam, and are inviting those people to explore and learn about the good in it. Responding to that with this kind of scorn and derision is wrong. Don't direct the fear and anger that's meant for terrorists at innocent people.

Solid Sonic posted...

chaosbowser posted...

All religions are violent. Not just Islam.

#dealwithit

This is like saying "All lives matter" in response to "Black lives matter".

In some ways, you could make that argument. You should elaborate on that analogy, because you might actually have a pretty insightful point. That, or you're just noting the superficial similarity and not actually thinking about it at all, but I'll still invite you to build on it.

The argument is that by nature most religions have a tendency to be violent but also have a running theme of wanting to be peaceful. It's just what happens when you want to spread your doctrine but have the unfortunate catch of running into other people who have very strong feelings about their faith. Even Buddhism has its own terrorists.

People talk about Islam like it's some sort of religion from hell when it's not. It's just key in a particularly unstable region (an instability created mostly by the western world.) All this terrorism doesn't mean it's innately more violent than any other religion.
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OhhhJa posted...

Virtually nobody follows the old testament... you can't just ignore facts bc they're inconvenient for your narrative

And the vast, vast majority of Muslims don't behead people for not converting. The fact that the Quran doesn't have the clear Vol. 1/Vol. 2 structure that the Bible has doesn't mean it doesn't have its share of outdated parts that nobody follows. The fact that the Bible does have a clear Vol. 1/Vol. 2 structure doesn't mean that Christians all recognize how outdated and inapplicable the first volume is (I shouldn't need to tell you which half Leviticus is in, and you know there are a lot of Christians that swear some of those verses).

chaosbowser posted...

People talk about Islam like it's some sort of religion from hell when it's not. It's just key in a particularly unstable region

That is really the biggest thing, which people seem to forget. The Middle East is extremely politically unstable right now, and it's political instability that breeds radicalism, not any particular religion. It just happens that Islam is the majority religion in the area, and that religions make a convenient banner under which to rally disenfranchised youth that will buy into narratives that blame the rest of the world for their problems.
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By the way, why is it that most nationalists like OP are overweight or scrawny, ugly individuals?
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JanwayDaahl posted...

By the way, why is it that most nationalists like OP are overweight or scrawny, ugly individuals?

Those trends don't actually exist and you're just projecting because you're angry. You should calm down; you're only making yourself look silly.
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Peterass posted...

Zareth posted...

Every religion preaches the need for conversion to keep it alive and spread, by force if necessary.

I don't know of anything in Christianity or Judaism that say it's ok behead infidels and non believers.

The crusades.
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adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

adjl posted...

Troll_Police_ posted...

The fact that I don't believe charity should be f***ing mandatory and government regulated does not mean I am not a charitable person.

Do you give all of your money to the poor?

All of it? No.

Quod erat demonstrandum. Now all you need to do is develop the self-awareness needed to recognize that you're not particularly special for being able to rationalize a non-literal interpretation of your chosen religious text, because that's something that literally every single religious person does.

ok so, show me the biblical quote that you are taking out of context to reach this conclusion buddy. or just be adjl and make baseless claims, and do your usual thing. disregard 90% of the post someone else writes, and then write your own 99% redundtant post.

ill wait

Probably the best-known one would be Matthew 19:21-24:

21Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell what you own and give the money to the destitute, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come back and follow me.” 22But when the young man heard this statement he went away sad, because he had many possessions.

Of course, fixating on that specific detail is rather disregarding the point I was making, so I suggest that you give my post another read and try to understand it better.

remember the part where i said your posts are 99% redundant? i dont need to read past the first sentence because typically beyond that you are just repeating yourself boyo
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Troll_Police_ posted...

remember the part where i said your posts are 99% redundant? i dont need to read past the first sentence because typically beyond that you are just repeating yourself boyo

Which has resulted in you looking terribly silly. My condolences.
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adjl posted...

That is really the biggest thing, which people seem to forget. The Middle East is extremely politically unstable right now, and it's political instability that breeds radicalism, not any particular religion

I agree that this bears a large portion of the blame but not nearly all of it. If the region were dominated by Christianity I believe we'd see vastly different results. Mainly, bc there's no verse telling you to murder non believers (or the more derogatory term, infidel). Not to mention, we're finding now that many Muslims that grew up in developed countries are orchestrating these attacks as well

OhhhJa posted...

adjl posted...

That is really the biggest thing, which people seem to forget. The Middle East is extremely politically unstable right now, and it's political instability that breeds radicalism, not any particular religion

I agree that this bears a large portion of the blame but not nearly all of it. If the region were dominated by Christianity I believe we'd see vastly different results. Mainly, bc there's no verse telling you to murder non believers (or the more derogatory term, infidel). Not to mention, we're finding now that many Muslims that grew up in developed countries are orchestrating these attacks as well

You're funny. Try cracking open a european history book. It's literally christian vs christian wars and christian instigated wars on muslims for centuries.
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