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AdmiralZephyr
05/20/17 11:10:44 PM
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Who would you say are the 10 or so most famous women in history? I honestly can't say that I remember a hell of a lot of women popping up in my history books (and I majored in history); at least not in prominent roles. This is a list I threw together, I probably missed someone big, but...

Amelia Earhart
Anne Frank
Catherine the Great
Cleopatra
Jeanne d'Arc
Marie Antoinette
Marie Curie
Pocahontas
Sacagawea
Virgin Mary

Rosa Parks might be able to squeak in there, maybe over Amelia Earhart.
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:11:54 PM
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Elizabeth I PROBABLY beats the shit out of most of these. Definitely Pocahontas and Sacagawea.
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Whiskey_Nick
05/20/17 11:13:55 PM
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Queen Victoria
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LordoftheMorons
05/20/17 11:17:05 PM
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Margaret Thatcher
Angela Merkel
Hillary Clinton

For some more recent ones
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WhiteLens
05/20/17 11:17:38 PM
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Harriet Tubman, at least for America
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VeryInsane
05/20/17 11:20:54 PM
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Helen Keller
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:21:19 PM
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Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more
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VeryInsane
05/20/17 11:22:01 PM
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Rosa Parks is a huge one too
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Pokewars
05/20/17 11:23:58 PM
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Definitely both Queen Elizabeths and Victoria.


We should hold a historical figure tournament!
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:24:42 PM
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tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more

None of these could pull top ten.
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:26:28 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more

None of these could pull top ten.


For me they can! It's all subjective anyway.
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FFDragon
05/20/17 11:26:51 PM
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tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more


Is it bad I don't know who four of these are?
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lordjers
05/20/17 11:27:32 PM
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:27:38 PM
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FFDragon posted...
tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more


Is it bad I don't know who four of these are?


Famous women of color tend to be overlooked in history so it isn't surprising
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VeryInsane
05/20/17 11:28:23 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more

None of these could pull top ten.


Harriet Tubman absolutely does in America

She's even gonna be on the 20
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Wanglicious
05/20/17 11:29:06 PM
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queen elizabeth would be my first guess.
somewhere in the top 10 i'd probably have mother teresa too.
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:35:13 PM
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VeryInsane posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
tabiicat42 posted...
Marsha P. Johnson
Maya Angelou
bell hooks
Angela Davis
Coretta Scott King
Janet Mock
Harriet Tubman
... Sooo many more

None of these could pull top ten.


Harriet Tubman absolutely does in America

She's even gonna be on the 20

Harriet Tubman is a nobody on a worldwide stage.
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Robazoid
05/20/17 11:35:29 PM
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Would Helen of Troy count or did she never actually exist? I'm not sure
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:35:53 PM
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tabiicat42 posted...
For me they can! It's all subjective anyway.

You can go on a basic tenent of most well-known women historically. Several of these wouldn't crack the top 100.
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:38:21 PM
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It's unfortunate that you're right. A lot of that list is going to be a bunch of white women.
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:38:45 PM
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Robazoid posted...
Would Helen of Troy count or did she never actually exist? I'm not sure

I think we can apply that same question to the Virgin Mary as well
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:43:42 PM
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tabiicat42 posted...
Robazoid posted...
Would Helen of Troy count or did she never actually exist? I'm not sure

I think we can apply that same question to the Virgin Mary as well

Yeah, I wasn't going to comment on Mary as a list point. In terms of overall fame, yes she would be a top ten if you counted her. It's the counting her itself that gets iffy.

As to your other point, I agree. I don't really want to pass judgment on the list itself as the concept of the list is nuanced enough without considering the social impact of it, but the fact that you can land maybe two non-white women on it is pretty sad. But you got Cleopatra, and strangely no other major female world leaders in history outside of Europe.

Queen Isabella is another possibility, to change the subject.
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tabiicat42
05/20/17 11:47:07 PM
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Boudicca would be one I can see, albiet probably low on the list.
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VeryInsane
05/20/17 11:48:43 PM
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Wonder how much of a role media plays here. Marilyn Monroe could be a big one (and Whitney Houston/Madonna/Oprah)
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scarletspeed7
05/20/17 11:50:34 PM
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Personally I'm not considering anyone who isn't at least 75 years removed yet due to their historical impact and influence not being set yet. I guarantee you that Whitney Houston disappears when the generation that grew up listening to her is iced.
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iiicon
05/20/17 11:56:08 PM
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FFDragon posted...
Is it bad I don't know who four of these are?

Four? Yes. Janet Mock, sure. I assume Marsha P. Johnson and bell hooks are two of the other women you're unfamiliar with, but you should know them, one is a key figure in one of the most notable moments in recent American history, and the other is one of the most prominent feminist figures in recent American history. The remaining women in tabii's list are so ubiquitous that I struggle to think of a reasonable fourth.
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swirIdude
05/20/17 11:58:04 PM
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FFDragon
05/20/17 11:59:29 PM
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Angela Davis is the fourth.
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tabiicat42
05/21/17 12:00:56 AM
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FFDragon posted...
Angela Davis is the fourth.

To condense it down very simply, she was a prominent civil rights activist. Edit: she's still alive though!
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DeathChicken
05/21/17 12:01:58 AM
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Joan of feckin Arc
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FFDragon
05/21/17 12:02:47 AM
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I'll fully admit to not knowing civil rights people outside of the like the marquee names. That's on me.
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iiicon
05/21/17 12:04:58 AM
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FFDragon posted...
I'll fully admit to not knowing civil rights people outside of the like the marquee names. That's on me.

I'm not American so I don't know what you cover during Black History Month, but how did she not come up during discussion of the civil rights era?
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scarletspeed7
05/21/17 12:05:29 AM
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iiicon posted...
FFDragon posted...
I'll fully admit to not knowing civil rights people outside of the like the marquee names. That's on me.

I'm not American so I don't know what you cover during Black History Month, but how did she not come up during discussion of the civil rights era?

Because no one is actually taught anything during Black History Month.
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FFDragon
05/21/17 12:06:13 AM
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Yeah I can't remember ever having specialized class during BHM.
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AdmiralZephyr
05/21/17 12:07:18 AM
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DeathChicken posted...
Joan of feckin Arc

Was on my original list, just with the French spelling.
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tabiicat42
05/21/17 12:07:26 AM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
iiicon posted...
FFDragon posted...
I'll fully admit to not knowing civil rights people outside of the like the marquee names. That's on me.

I'm not American so I don't know what you cover during Black History Month, but how did she not come up during discussion of the civil rights era?

Because no one is actually taught anything during Black History Month.


I think it's more accurate to say but no one is actually taught any meaningful history unless you have a really progressive teacher willing to teach actual history. But that's just my experience!
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scarletspeed7
05/21/17 12:08:35 AM
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Well I live in Texas. The curriculum mandated that no one is taught anything significant per the standardized testing system.
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AdmiralZephyr
05/21/17 12:11:24 AM
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And yeah while I don't think it's impossible that some 20th/21st century entertainers may be considerable for this list someday, Whitney Houston is NOT one of them. Marilyn Monroe might be a good one though.
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iiicon
05/21/17 12:11:43 AM
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FFDragon posted...
Yeah I can't remember ever having specialized class during BHM.

Really? It's something we cover up here. We have dedicated workshops and resources for teachers, and encourage them to develop several units around African history in February. It's something I encountered in Social Studies and History during my K-12 education as well.
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VeryInsane
05/21/17 12:12:50 AM
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College is when I really started to know history tbqh

Or at the very least, how to think about it.

Here's my guess at what it would look like

Elizabeth I
Cleopatra
Jeanne D'Arc
Mother Teresa
Wu Zetian
Catherine the Great
Harriet Tubman
Marie Antoinette
Anne Frank
Sappho

I would love to put a writer (Austen, Bronte, Hurston, Shelley) but idk. Think Sappho is the most historically relevant
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FFDragon
05/21/17 12:12:51 AM
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Really. And I was even in a deep blue state (Maryland).
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iiicon
05/21/17 12:13:28 AM
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man what!

what do you do in history classes during February?
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FFDragon
05/21/17 12:13:51 AM
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whatever unit we were already on

nothing changed
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iiicon
05/21/17 12:14:40 AM
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then what's the point!!

America, ever frustrating.
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DeathChicken
05/21/17 12:15:16 AM
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Maryland is interesting (as a born Marylander) in that it's all Blue, except for goddamn Southern Maryland which may as well be rural Virginia
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VeryInsane
05/21/17 12:16:12 AM
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DeathChicken posted...
Maryland is interesting (as a born Marylander) in that it's all Blue, except for goddamn Southern Maryland which may as well be rural Virginia


May I introduce you to my district that's close to Pennsylvania which is super red
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AdmiralZephyr
05/21/17 12:16:18 AM
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FFDragon posted...
whatever unit we were already on

nothing changed

Yeah I seem to remember doing very little in regards to BHM. Two days tops. If that.
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scarletspeed7
05/21/17 12:17:16 AM
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VeryInsane posted...

I would love to put a writer (Austen, Bronte, Hurston, Shelley) but idk. Think Sappho is the most historically relevant

Well Austen, Bronte, and Shelley are all wildly more well-known than Sappho so you should probably go the other direction.
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Wanglicious
05/21/17 12:19:20 AM
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i wouldn't bother with any of the authors really. major global leaders would have to trump that.
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kateee
05/21/17 12:20:15 AM
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yeah being called BHM didn't really mean anything. you're just made aware that it is in fact, BHM

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