Poll of the Day > Just finished Iron Fist on Netflix. Spoilers.

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For the first half, I actually kind of enjoyed it. I thought Danny was a moron, but that was forgivable since he'd been gone for 15 years and wouldn't naturally grasp how things worked. However, I couldn't keep it up, he's very unlikable.

For someone whose been trained for so long to keep his emotions in check, he certainly loses control of them an awful lot. It's every episode where something relatively minor happens and he ends up in a panic, raging about he wants to kill. I mean, they half-ass explain it later as repressed survivor's guilt manifesting as anger, and that would be fine, if they hadn't already explained he mastered his emotions long before it was possible for him to become the Iron Fist.

He also seems very out of touch, which I thought was due to him being away for so long. Then we meet Davos, and he communicates and functions better than Danny, and this is apparently his first time out in the real world. The only way Danny seems to communicate is either by taking direct control if a situation to drive it into the ground to crash and burn, or by raging emotionally out of control and saying how he feels like Futurama's robot devil.

Then we're supposed to believe Colleen never once got a hint of the hand's true nature? Even the student's she was recruiting seemed to know and accept that they weren't good.

All in all, there were very few likable characters, most just seemed stupid and oblivious to how their actions would have any repurcussions, and Danny was the worst of them all, he was just insufferable.

Also, what was the significance of seeing the dragon's eyes at the end? He saw some lights that reminded him of the dragon, decided he'd won, and turned his back to the enemy who wanted to kill him and had access to a gun. If Ward hadn't saved him at that point, he would've claimed victory after looking at the lights and got gunned down... Just seemed stupid.
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Well that's his fault. His arrogance in being the iron fist is probably why he left in the first place. He came to terms with his guilt and wanted to test his resolve by facing it. He mastered his emotions but the trial of facing his guilt was a lost battle. Then finding the hand were in on it just made it worse. Basically was fighting himself, His identity as the iron fist and his identity as danny rand. He want's both to co-exist. When they are one he is at his strongest. As you can see through his tempers, that emotional fuel is what makes him the ironfist. All of that emotion becomes pure concentrated power. Therefore without them being able to co-exist he loses his strength.
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You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?
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yutterh posted...

Well that's his fault. He mastered them but in the face of his guilt, he fell apart. Which is probably why he left. He came to terms with his guilt and wanted to test his resolve by facing it. He obviously lost that battle.

Maybe, they never really said why he decided to leave other than feeling a void he wanted to fill. I feel his response in the final episodes would've been much more impactful if he hadn't already had 10 episodes of borderline emotional breakdowns before then. If learning the truth about his parent's had caused his only major loss of control would've made it feel like a much bigger moment than just breakdown #20.

Erik_P posted...

You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?

I know, but I just wanted to talk about it. I'm late to the party for sure, but I'm just sharing my thoughts.
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I enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as the other Marvel shows but still better than most tv shows.
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Mead posted...

I enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as the other Marvel shows but still better than most tv shows.

I liked it for the first half, and honestly, I think if Danny hadn't been so dumb, emotional, and kind of poorly acted, I would've liked it a lot more than I did. By far he is my biggest issue, and it's just an irritation mostly by him seemingly being nothing if how he was trained to be, despite him claiming his training is do important to him.
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I'm ok with him being kind of naive because I think it will give his character some contrast compared to the other Defenders, and in the comics he often buddies up with Luke Cage who has similar traits in that regard.
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I don't mind him being naive or anything. It's just that he's always quoting the monk's, talking about his training, how he's mastered his mind, and been forged into a living weapon, only to react worse to every situation than even the normal untrained powerless humans do. It feels disjointed, like the guy we see can't possibly be the person we're expected to believe he is. Nothing he does throughout the entire season represents anything if what he and Davis claim to be true, aside from him actually having the iron fist anyway.

I feel like if he had just been naive, that would've been fine. Then if he gets emotional over learning about Colleen and losing his focus, that's fine. Same with learning about his parents. But he reacts the same way over everything, he just seems to break down over everything, whether it's a security guard fighting him, learning the hand is functioning in his company, to Colleen's past, to the truth about his crash, to flying at all, to his flashbacks. By the time he's actually supposed to be broken and emotional, it's been played out too much for me to care any more.

Then again, that's just me nitpicking. I'll shut up now.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

I don't mind him being naive or anything. It's just that he's always quoting the monk's, talking about his training, how he's mastered his mind, and been forged into a living weapon, only to react worse to every situation than even the normal untrained powerless humans do. It feels disjointed, like the guy we see can't possibly be the person we're expected to believe he is. Nothing he does throughout the entire season represents anything if what he and Davis claim to be true, aside from him actually having the iron fist anyway.

I feel like if he had just been naive, that would've been fine. Then if he gets emotional over learning about Colleen and losing his focus, that's fine. Same with learning about his parents. But he reacts the same way over everything, he just seems to break down over everything, whether it's a security guard fighting him, learning the hand is functioning in his company, to Colleen's past, to the truth about his crash, to flying at all, to his flashbacks. By the time he's actually supposed to be broken and emotional, it's been played out too much for me to care any more.

Then again, that's just me nitpicking. I'll shut up now.

Well think of it as a Damn holding all of his emotions back. Once that crack appeared it broke. So the damn is just popping up cracks everywhere now. What was once a rock solid foundation is now damaged. So any pressure makes another crack. Basically the problem is he put all of his emotions in the same place and hid them behind one thing. Being the iron fist. It is what holds him together. Just the slightest doubt makes him over emotional. He was probably a super serious dude that behaved like a robot. but hey i am just over analyzing as well : p
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Erik_P posted...

You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?

Being universally hated and no one caring about what you have to say has never stopped you from posting, though.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Erik_P posted...

You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?

Being universally hated and no one caring about what you have to say has never stopped you from posting, though.

Unfortunately.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Erik_P posted...

You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?

Being universally hated and no one caring about what you have to say has never stopped you from posting, though.

Got em

I heard it was shit.
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Yeah, I was very dissapointed and it basically ended up causing me to cancel netflix (since I only had it for the original shows).

I'll probably get it back for the defenders when it comes out, but only for a month.

I wasn't a big fan of Luke Cage either, and certainly won't watch it over again, so this was the final nail for me.

I did like strange days though, but yeah, not gonna keep paying for netflix monthly if there are like 2 shows I want to watch on it a year. We actually get a week of free netflix per year from comcast, so I'll probably just wait for that to watch defenders etc at this point.
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Erik_P posted...

You're aware it's universally hated and nobody cares about in depth analysis right?

Erik shut the fuck up dude
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