Poll of the Day > Political affiliation? Which are you?

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Me = center - left

Center left.
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Mr Hangman posted...

I object to your one-dimensional framing of politics. At least go for a political compass-esque 2-dimensional approach.

It's sort of like that.

Far Right = agree with almost all conservative views
Right = agree with most
Center right = agree with some things on both sides but mostly right.
Center = generally equal left and right on issues

And rinse and repeat for the rest of the categories

Center center
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I fancy myself a civic nationalist. Take that for what you will.
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IAmNowGone posted...

Mr Hangman posted...

I object to your one-dimensional framing of politics. At least go for a political compass-esque 2-dimensional approach.

It's sort of like that.

Far Right = agree with almost all conservative views
Right = agree with most
Center right = agree with some things on both sides but mostly right.
Center = generally equal left and right on issues

And rinse and repeat for the rest of the categories

That's not really what he meant. He's implying you should do something like the Political Compass, where both Right/Left alignment and Autocratic/Laissez-Faire are factored in. Or conversely, something that differentiates between economic and social issues.

As an example, many libertarians (small "l", not the Libertarian Party specifically, as it's mostly populated by nutcases and addicts) would classify as "fiscal conservative/social liberal" and skew more towards small government/less government control, which fits absolutely nowhere on the scale as you've listed it.

And that's just one of the simpler alternative ideologies. Some can be a lot more complex on the granular level.


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we must go forwards
not backwards
but upwards not forwards
and always twirling
twirling towards freedom
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My opinion changes based on the social contextual variables of the times. I don't like labelling myself as left or right.
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I don't really fit a mold perfectly. I consider myself far-right in most categories, but I support marriage equality, for instance, which is inherently a liberal policy.
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Center-left, moderately libertarian. My only authoritarian leanings center around self-harm where the government has a duty to protect citizens against certain dangerous activities for the good of the state and shouldn't profit off self-harm activities (like the lotto)
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Where's Chaotic Neutral on this?
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

IAmNowGone posted...

Mr Hangman posted...

I object to your one-dimensional framing of politics. At least go for a political compass-esque 2-dimensional approach.

It's sort of like that.

Far Right = agree with almost all conservative views
Right = agree with most
Center right = agree with some things on both sides but mostly right.
Center = generally equal left and right on issues

And rinse and repeat for the rest of the categories

That's not really what he meant. He's implying you should do something like the Political Compass, where both Right/Left alignment and Autocratic/Laissez-Faire are factored in. Or conversely, something that differentiates between economic and social issues.

As an example, many libertarians (small "l", not the Libertarian Party specifically, as it's mostly populated by nutcases and addicts) would classify as "fiscal conservative/social liberal" and skew more towards small government/less government control, which fits absolutely nowhere on the scale as you've listed it.

And that's just one of the simpler alternative ideologies. Some can be a lot more complex on the granular level.

I get what you're saying.

Well that's why there's an other category, lol. He can feel free to make a more complex poll.

Pretty much exactly what PO said.

I want the government to fuck off out of peoples money/business and I want them to fuck off out of people's personal lives.

Not entirely of course. Despite the common argument of 'wat u dont want roads???'. But I'm tired of the government butting into peoples shit. Just let me have my gay weed abortions and be greedy with all my money.
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I oppose both sides so that puts me in the middle...
But I also oppose other people in the middle so I must be unaffiliated...
Hey, anarchist is an option!
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snacktimeguy posted...

Center left.

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Mead posted...

Center center

Im more left right myself.
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Some people use the left-right axis as economics, like socialism-capitalism in which case I'd be moderately right wing. If we're talking social positions like liberal-conservative I'm quite far left actually.

I favor free market economy with some socialism thrown in for stuff like education and health care and otherwise I'm on the "do whatever you want" side: abortion, gay marriage, wearing the hijab or not, I don't care as long as your actions don't violate other people's rights. The label I would pick for myself is liberal-libertarian or left-libertarian.
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Hey, anarchist is an option!

Technically anarchist is a terrible option, because anarchists can easily be extremely far Right (Anarcho-Capitalists) or far Left (Anarcho-Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists). There's even the theoretical possibility of some sort of Anarcho-Nihilists who are against government because they believe the world should be "every man for himself" and "only the strong should survive".

Anarchist alone doesn't really tell you much of anything.

And speaking of different flavors of anarchism...



Smarkil posted...

I want the government to fuck off out of peoples money/business and I want them to fuck off out of people's personal lives.

Not entirely of course. Despite the common argument of 'wat u dont want roads???'. But I'm tired of the government butting into peoples shit.

If you want a government that has virtually no power beyond maintaining roads and infrastructure in general, and running a police force (that only really polices thefts and violent crimes), fire department, etc., you'd technically fall under the umbrella of Minarchism - ie, anarchists who still acknowledge a need for SOME government, albeit a weak one that is limited to only the most necessary of communal functions.


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Far left by US standards, I think.
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Center Right. Good poll question
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On the political compass, I'm north-north-east.
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Centre right.

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I'm basically in the dead center
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Results are interesting.

Aligned with the progressive movement on 95% of issues, but not of them. My political foundations are fairly alien compared to most. My main philosophy is strongly anti-death, and so I will fall on most issues relating to it in some way on whatever prevents deaths or prolongs lives. Aside from that I am very internationalist or even globalist, and am more technocratic than democratic, and even conditionally in favor of authoritarian forms of government provided certain safeguards are in place and they share my policy agenda.

As an aside, the political compass is also not very good. It's "here say your stance on a bunch of issues and we'll label your ideology" but reality is generally the other way around: people have an ideology and shape their views on individual issues around that ideology. The tests like the compass are doing it backwards.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Technically anarchist is a terrible option, because anarchists can easily be extremely far Right (Anarcho-Capitalists) or far Left (Anarcho-Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists). There's even the theoretical possibility of some sort of Anarcho-Nihilists who are against government because they believe the world should be "every man for himself" and "only the strong should survive".

Anarchist - A person who believes in or tries to bring about anarchy.
Anarchy - Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

The problem is that people can't be trusted with absolute freedom. They either create disorder because anything is allowed or they start to establish government in attempt to bring about order. The desire for anarchy is actually a desire for a society where people can be trusted with absolute freedom.
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center right
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

There's even the theoretical possibility of some sort of Anarcho-Nihilists who are against government because they believe the world should be "every man for himself" and "only the strong should survive"

This pleases Apocalypse
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Left, I guess.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Technically anarchist is a terrible option, because anarchists can easily be extremely far Right (Anarcho-Capitalists) or far Left (Anarcho-Communists and Anarcho-Syndicalists).

I always wondered but never bothered to look into how anarcho-communism works. I get anarcho-capitalism, you'll only have to make the assumption that money keeps its worth even with no government and it all falls into place. The assumption is bullshit but you can delude yourself into thinking so. Anarcho-communism on the other hand never made sense to me. Anarchism=no government, communism=the economy is owned and controlled by government. Am I just messing up the terms or something?
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I don't understand what any of this means.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I don't understand what any of this means.

Right is Republican belief. Left is Democratic.
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OneTimeBen posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

I don't understand what any of this means.

Right is Republican belief. Left is Democratic.

See, the problem with those American parties is that they're simply too big. They lump too many different viewpoints together. If I were American, I'd be inclined to go Democrat because I'm for pretty much any progressive social policy like gay marriage, abortion and seperation of church and state - but then I'd be in the same party as the socialists who think we should tax the entire economy to death and pretty much void property rights for anyone they perceive as rich.
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OneTimeBen posted...

Right is Republican belief. Left is Democratic.

If you can figure out what either side believes in. Those beliefs seem to be the total opposite of what they were 20 years ago.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I don't understand what any of this means.

Right is conservative, left is liberal. However, conservative and liberal have no real fixed meanings in and of themselves; socially liberal doesn't even mean pro-freedom because it actually heavily restricts what people can do while socially conservative does pretty much the same half the time. I guess fiscal conservatism and liberalism more broadly retain meanings, as lower taxes and less government vs higher taxes and more government *although* even there it can be misleading since conservatives can back military spending which results in government growth.

KroganCharr posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

I don't understand what any of this means.

Right is Republican belief. Left is Democratic.

See, the problem with those American parties is that they're simply too big. They lump too many different viewpoints together. If I were American, I'd be inclined to go Democrat because I'm for pretty much any progressive social policy like gay marriage, abortion and seperation of church and state - but then I'd be in the same party as the socialists who think we should tax the entire economy to death and pretty much void property rights for anyone they perceive as rich.

It's a two-party system where both parties suck. Granted, it wouldn't be nearly as bad if government wasn't so damn invasive and involved in pretty much every aspect of our lives.
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Interesting poll results. Surprising. Most of the internet is a leftist haven.

WarGreymon77 posted...

Interesting poll results. Surprising. Most of the internet is a leftist haven.

Keep in mind that support for universal healthcare and free tuition is very high on this board, so the results may be a little misleading.
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Smarkil posted...

Pretty much exactly what PO said.

I want the government to fuck off out of peoples money/business and I want them to fuck off out of people's personal lives.

Not entirely of course. Despite the common argument of 'wat u dont want roads???'. But I'm tired of the government butting into peoples shit. Just let me have my gay weed abortions and be greedy with all my money.

Still blows my mind that people are willing to put on their tap shoes and dance in subservience to the masters

OmegaTomHank posted...

Smarkil posted...

Pretty much exactly what PO said.

I want the government to fuck off out of peoples money/business and I want them to fuck off out of people's personal lives.

Not entirely of course. Despite the common argument of 'wat u dont want roads???'. But I'm tired of the government butting into peoples shit. Just let me have my gay weed abortions and be greedy with all my money.

Still blows my mind that people are willing to put on their tap shoes and dance in subservience to the masters

Dramatic