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Balrog0 04/26/17 4:39:51 PM #1:	https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mortality-black-belt/ Reporters often illuminate the problems of the U.S. health care system by looking to outliers, the least healthy places, such as the state of Mississippi or a parish in Louisiana. That makes sense; states and local governments are largely responsible for the education, insurance, hospitals and economics that drive health outcomes. But in the case of the Black Belt, those borders obscure the broader pattern: rural, Southern black Americans who live in communities founded on slavery routinely have some of the worst health outcomes in the country. Some recent media coverage has focused on a disturbing rise in mortality among U.S. whites with a high-school education. A much-publicized series of papers by Anne Case and Angus Deaton showed that mortality for whites with a high school education or less is increasing and included a chart showing that it is now greater than mortality for blacks. The rise in mortality made headlines and is a concerning trend worthy of study, but the headlines obscured several important facts, chief among them that the chart showed mortality for all U.S. blacks, not only those who also have a high school education or less. After the authors were criticized for leaving blacks off a different chart in one of the papers, they told The Washington Post “the reason it’s not there — which we explain — is that black mortality is so high it doesn’t fit on the graph.” In other words, the trends — an increase in mortality for some whites, a decrease for most blacks — are important, but so are the absolute differences, and blacks continue to die younger than people in other groups. Medicaid expansion in Arkansas has really helped rural areas in the Mississippi Delta in my state compared to states in the region that didn't expand Medicaid --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877955627] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mortality-black-belt/ Reporters often illuminate the problems of the U.S. health care system by looking to outliers, the least healthy places, such as the state of Mississippi or a parish in Louisiana. That makes sense; states and local governments are largely responsible for the education, insurance, hospitals and economics that drive health outcomes. But in the case of the Black Belt, those borders obscure the broader pattern: rural, Southern black Americans who live in communities founded on slavery routinely have some of the worst health outcomes in the country. Some recent media coverage has focused on a disturbing rise in mortality among U.S. whites with a high-school education. A much-publicized series of papers by Anne Case and Angus Deaton showed that mortality for whites with a high school education or less is increasing and included a chart showing that it is now greater than mortality for blacks. The rise in mortality made headlines and is a concerning trend worthy of study, but the headlines obscured several important facts, chief among them that the chart showed mortality for all U.S. blacks, not only those who also have a high school education or less. After the authors were criticized for leaving blacks off a different chart in one of the papers, they told The Washington Post “the reason it’s not there — which we explain — is that black mortality is so high it doesn’t fit on the graph.” In other words, the trends — an increase in mortality for some whites, a decrease for most blacks — are important, but so are the absolute differences, and blacks continue to die younger than people in other groups. Medicaid expansion in Arkansas has really helped rural areas in the Mississippi Delta in my state compared to states in the region that didn't expand Medicaid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/26/17 4:41:35 PM #2:	Well, yeah. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877955741] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Well, yeah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 04/26/17 4:42:11 PM #3:	not surprised --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:877955787] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>not surprised</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/26/17 4:43:34 PM #4:	Antifar posted... Well, yeah. you say that as though this is something ce would accept unequivocally --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877955874] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Well, yeah.</quote> you say that as though this is something ce would accept unequivocally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/26/17 4:51:55 PM #5:	Balrog0 posted... Antifar posted... Well, yeah. you say that as though this is something ce would accept unequivocally Oh, god, I don't mean to minimize it like that, and I'm sure CE is coming with their dumb posts at any moment now. It's good that we keep reminding people of this, but there's only so many different ways you can say it. --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877956427] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Well, yeah.</quote> you say that as though this is something ce would accept unequivocally</quote> Oh, god, I don't mean to minimize it like that, and I'm sure CE is coming with their dumb posts at any moment now. It's good that we keep reminding people of this, but there's only so many different ways you can say it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/26/17 4:57:00 PM #6:	This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877956798] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 04/26/17 4:58:12 PM #7:	I wonder if Admiral will argue that systemic racism isn't a thing if he looks at this topic. --- I call them boob implants because saying I'm getting a boobilicious chest full of science isn't likely to catch your attention. -gunplagirl <cite>Kineth posted [p:877956879] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if Admiral will argue that systemic racism isn't a thing if he looks at this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 04/26/17 5:01:26 PM #8:	Admiral: something something stop blaming whitey <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:877957060] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Admiral: something something stop blaming whitey</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/26/17 5:02:29 PM #9:	Saloonist posted... This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance. Those who suffered from slavery but were able to leave the south and go to urban areas without slave-owners might have some distinct advantages over those who were left behind --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877957140] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance.</quote> Those who suffered from slavery but were able to leave the south and go to urban areas without slave-owners might have some distinct advantages over those who were left behind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/26/17 5:27:05 PM #10:	Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance. Those who suffered from slavery but were able to leave the south and go to urban areas without slave-owners might have some distinct advantages over those who were left behind Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American) --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877958765] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>This is true, but it's not like only black people in the South are the only ones who went through slavery and Jim Crow. I'm sure many black people in cities like Detroit or Chicago suffered from slavery certainly and perhaps Jim Crow too. So I'm a little skeptical of using slavery and Jim Crow as a casual explanation for health outcomes in the South without more nuance.</quote> Those who suffered from slavery but were able to leave the south and go to urban areas without slave-owners might have some distinct advantages over those who were left behind</quote> Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodusters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migration_(African_American)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/26/17 5:28:14 PM #11:	Saloonist posted... Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877958836] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. </quote> Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/26/17 10:52:49 PM #12:	Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877977646] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. </quote> Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context</quote> No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/26/17 11:45:15 PM #13:	Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself. The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877980359] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. </quote> Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context</quote> No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself.</quote> The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Microwaved_Eggs 04/26/17 11:52:12 PM #14:	me, a canadian? no it doesnt impact me --- No rights reserved. <cite>Microwaved_Eggs posted [p:877980683] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>me, a canadian? no it doesnt impact me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/26/17 11:54:17 PM #15:	Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself. The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true. The claim I'm disputing is not that black people don't have it worse overall than white people. I'm disputing the claim that black people in the South have it worse than black people not in the South because of slavery. Because black people everywhere throughout the country went through slavery. So saying that outcomes in the South "show the outlines of slavery" seems facetious. In other words, if could very well be the rural-ness of the the black population of the South which is a much larger causal explanation for why they have some of the worst outcomes, and not the slavery-ness --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877980768] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. </quote> Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context</quote> No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself.</quote> The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true.</quote> The claim I'm disputing is not that black people don't have it worse overall than white people. I'm disputing the claim that black people in the South have it worse than black people not in the South because of slavery. Because black people everywhere throughout the country went through slavery. So saying that outcomes in the South "show the outlines of slavery" seems facetious. In other words, if could very well be the rural-ness of the the black population of the South which is a much larger causal explanation for why they have some of the worst outcomes, and not the slavery-ness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 04/26/17 11:55:34 PM #16:	I am legitimately stunned this topic turned into a civil discussion. --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:877980828] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>I am legitimately stunned this topic turned into a civil discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/27/17 12:15:55 AM #17:	Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself. The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true. The claim I'm disputing is not that black people don't have it worse overall than white people. I'm disputing the claim that black people in the South have it worse than black people not in the South because of slavery. Because black people everywhere throughout the country went through slavery. So saying that outcomes in the South "show the outlines of slavery" seems facetious. In other words, if could very well be the rural-ness of the the black population of the South which is a much larger causal explanation for why they have some of the worst outcomes, and not the slavery-ness Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877981824] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote>Most people black people didn't leave the South until after slavery ended though. </quote> Yes, I know. I am saying that being capable of leaving areas with large (former) slave populations to go to areas that were always free MIGHT have conferred an advantage on them compared to those who stayed in the south, particularly areas of the south with higher (former) shares of slave populations. Do you disagree with that? If so, why? I added in the term former so you wouldn't be confused over the time period I'm discussing, though I would think someone should be able to infer that from the context</quote> No I don't disagree with it. I have no opinion on it because there's no data. You could easily make the alternative argument that the reason black populations in the South have worse health outcomes than those outside of the South is because they are more represented in rural areas, while they tend to be concentrated in or around cities outside the South. Perhaps cities have better resources than rural areas and therefore urban black people are better served. That's seems like a reasonable counter-explanation that I came up with in all of 30 seconds. So, I think it's easy to say that areas where slaves were concentrated could be a causal explanation, but like any hypothesis it requires evidence. There is none beyond the assertion itself.</quote> The article sort of addresses this, so I'd say it's in you to provide this explanation of why, for instance, the black belt performs worse than even Appalachia or many rural states like Montana which are as or more rural. There's certainly data here and an associated narrative. Engage it. Don't just say something else could be true.</quote> The claim I'm disputing is not that black people don't have it worse overall than white people. I'm disputing the claim that black people in the South have it worse than black people not in the South because of slavery. Because black people everywhere throughout the country went through slavery. So saying that outcomes in the South "show the outlines of slavery" seems facetious. In other words, if could very well be the rural-ness of the the black population of the South which is a much larger causal explanation for why they have some of the worst outcomes, and not the slavery-ness</quote> Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 04/27/17 12:16:51 AM #18:	ib4 the bootstrappers --- http://i.imgur.com/5UL2v5u.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:877981879] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>ib4 the bootstrappers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/27/17 12:18:39 AM #19:	No they don't. /topic --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877981953] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>No they don't. /topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bok_Choi 04/27/17 12:19:03 AM #20:	Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:877981968] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/27/17 12:22:21 AM #21:	Bok_Choi posted... Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877982116] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote>Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people</quote> Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Saloonist 04/27/17 12:23:06 AM #22:	Balrog0 posted... Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877982151] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it</quote> You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 04/27/17 12:24:03 AM #23:	Self loathing <cite>muchdran posted [p:877982196] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Self loathing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 04/27/17 12:26:08 AM #25:	Howl posted... Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. That's literally the worst example you could have used "Hey this thing that happened before is still happening today" is not what you want to use to argue against the continued effects of Jim Crow and slavery lmfao --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:877982293] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. </quote> That's literally the worst example you could have used "Hey this thing that happened before is still happening today" is not what you want to use to argue against the continued effects of Jim Crow and slavery lmfao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/27/17 12:26:21 AM #26:	shockthemonkey posted... lmao yeah and black voters are still deliberately disenfranchised but nah this shit don't matter No they're not. Voter ID laws would affect everyone exactly the same if everyone would simply conform to the laws. Black people choosing not to obey the law at higher rates than white people doesn't mean that the laws are racist or that black people are purposely disenfranchised. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877982301] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>lmao yeah and black voters are still deliberately disenfranchised but nah this shit don't matter</quote> No they're not. Voter ID laws would affect everyone exactly the same if everyone would simply conform to the laws. Black people choosing not to obey the law at higher rates than white people doesn't mean that the laws are racist or that black people are purposely disenfranchised.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Howl 04/27/17 12:27:50 AM #28:	Bok_Choi posted... Howl posted... Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. That's literally the worst example you could have used "Hey this thing that happened before is still happening today" is not what you want to use to argue against the continued effects of Jim Crow and slavery lmfao The point is that the technology has improved so much that the first airplane to ever fly isn't even comparable to the ones we have now. Just as how the conditions in the US have changed so much that the actual real effects that slavery or Jim Crow had in the past aren't even at all relevant anymore. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877982369] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. </quote> That's literally the worst example you could have used "Hey this thing that happened before is still happening today" is not what you want to use to argue against the continued effects of Jim Crow and slavery lmfao</quote> The point is that the technology has improved so much that the first airplane to ever fly isn't even comparable to the ones we have now. Just as how the conditions in the US have changed so much that the actual real effects that slavery or Jim Crow had in the past aren't even at all relevant anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/27/17 12:28:49 AM #29:	Last week a federal court ruled that Texas gerrymandered its districts to dilute black and minority votes http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/20/federal_court_rules_texas_gerrymandered_districts_to_dilute_minority_votes.html --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877982416] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Last week a federal court ruled that Texas gerrymandered its districts to dilute black and minority votes http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/20/federal_court_rules_texas_gerrymandered_districts_to_dilute_minority_votes.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheoryzC 04/27/17 12:29:10 AM #30:	Oh boy --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. <cite>TheoryzC posted [p:877982438] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Oh boy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/27/17 12:30:49 AM #31:	Antifar posted... Last week a federal court ruled that Texas gerrymandered its districts to dilute black and minority votes http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/20/federal_court_rules_texas_gerrymandered_districts_to_dilute_minority_votes.html It literally doesn't say that in the article even. It says Hispanics. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877982496] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Last week a federal court ruled that Texas gerrymandered its districts to dilute black and minority votes http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/04/20/federal_court_rules_texas_gerrymandered_districts_to_dilute_minority_votes.html</quote> It literally doesn't say that in the article even. It says Hispanics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 04/27/17 12:32:31 AM #33:	Last year, a court ruled that North Carolina sought the methods in which black people disproportionately vote and made them no longer available https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-smoking-gun-proving-north-carolina-republicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/?utm_term=.c27332d1149c In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote. So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess." --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877982565] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Last year, a court ruled that North Carolina sought the methods in which black people disproportionately vote and made them no longer available https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/29/the-smoking-gun-proving-north-carolina-republicans-tried-to-disenfranchise-black-voters/?utm_term=.c27332d1149c <quote>In particular, the court found that North Carolina lawmakers requested data on racial differences in voting behaviors in the state. "This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)," the judges wrote. So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. "With race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans," the judges wrote. "The bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/27/17 12:32:53 AM #34:	Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made. I just talked about urban areas too I understand your point, but I don't think you understand my response --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877982580] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it</quote> You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made.</quote> I just talked about urban areas too I understand your point, but I don't think you understand my response</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/27/17 12:34:41 AM #35:	Antifar posted... So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people. This is not racism. This is literally black people not conforming to laws that literally affect everyone. --- woof <cite>Howl posted [p:877982658] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>So the legislators made it so that the only acceptable forms of voter identification were the ones disproportionately used by white people.</quote> This is not racism. This is literally black people not conforming to laws that literally affect everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bok_Choi 04/27/17 12:35:57 AM #36:	Howl posted... The point is that the technology has improved so much that the first airplane to ever fly isn't even comparable to the ones we have now. Just as how the conditions in the US have changed so much that the actual real effects that slavery or Jim Crow had in the past aren't even at all relevant anymore. God this is so obvious now I don't even want to respond --- I'm a good person. http://i.imgur.com/uj8LmVSl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xPDF9Y0.jpg <cite>Bok_Choi posted [p:877982714] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>The point is that the technology has improved so much that the first airplane to ever fly isn't even comparable to the ones we have now. Just as how the conditions in the US have changed so much that the actual real effects that slavery or Jim Crow had in the past aren't even at all relevant anymore. </quote> God this is so obvious now I don't even want to respond</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 04/27/17 12:36:43 AM #37:	"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." --- an aspirin the size of the sun. <cite>Antifar posted [p:877982747] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Saloonist 04/27/17 12:43:10 AM #39:	Balrog0 posted... Saloonist posted... Balrog0 posted... Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made. I just talked about urban areas too I understand your point, but I don't think you understand my response The data and narrative you posted has nothing to do with the claim of whether health outcomes "show the outline of slavery" which is the claim made in the article's title--at least not anymore than the not-so-shocking claim that many black people tend to live in areas where their ancestors lived and worked. But seeming to imply that the health outcomes of the people living in those areas is more tied to slavery than that of black people elsewhere is a claim that needs evidence. And the article does not provide that evidence. If the rural-ness of the people living in that area is as much or more of a causal explanation for the poor health outcomes with the effects of slavey piled on top, then the claim that it shows the "outline of slavery" isn't really true. --- BasileosPetros, KhanofKhans, CokeZero, and many more <cite>Saloonist posted [p:877983043] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Saloonist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Right, but like I literally just said there are many rural communities that perform better than the black belt... Including rural southern communities, and also majority minority urban areas. So I'm saying again, engage the data and narrative I posted instead of imagining how it might be wrong without looking at it</quote> You seem to be failing to comprehend the claim I'm making. I'm not talking about black communities compared to any other racial community. I'm talking solely about comparisons within the black community. The point I'm making is that most black people throughout the US have suffered from slavery. So if you want to say that health outcomes are the result of slavery then you can't just look at the black belt and say "Those people suffered slavery and that is the causal reason for the terrible health outcomes of people in the black rural south. Black people in Philly and Cleveland also suffered both slavery and many suffered Jim Crow as well, and presumably have better outcomes than black people in the rural south. So the evidence of slavery alone, without any more nuance is insufficient to support the claim being made.</quote> I just talked about urban areas too I understand your point, but I don't think you understand my response</quote> The data and narrative you posted has nothing to do with the claim of whether health outcomes "show the outline of slavery" which is the claim made in the article's title--at least not anymore than the not-so-shocking claim that many black people tend to live in areas where their ancestors lived and worked. But seeming to imply that the health outcomes of the people living in those areas is more tied to slavery than that of black people elsewhere is a claim that needs evidence. And the article does not provide that evidence. If the rural-ness of the people living in that area is as much or more of a causal explanation for the poor health outcomes with the effects of slavey piled on top, then the claim that it shows the "outline of slavery" isn't really true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haldol 04/27/17 9:48:42 AM #40:	Howl posted... Bok_Choi posted... Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today. Lol <cite>Haldol posted [p:877998601] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bok_Choi posted...</cite> <quote>Reminder: It was less than a hundred years ago that non-white people could not use the same facilities as white people</quote> Reminder it was only 114 years ago that the Wright Brothers made their first flight. A lot can change in a short time. Which it has. Slavery and Jim Crow have 0 relevance to American Life today.</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonYoutube 04/27/17 9:54:32 AM #41:	Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa? <cite>PokemonYoutube posted [p:877998849] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolboy11 04/27/17 9:58:09 AM #42:	I live not far away at all from a black belt county and I'm always astonished how much poorer it is than my home county is (although it is still in a good bit better shape than some of it's fellow surrendering counties) --- Sigs are boring <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:877999031] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>I live not far away at all from a black belt county and I'm always astonished how much poorer it is than my home county is (although it is still in a good bit better shape than some of it's fellow surrendering counties)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/27/17 9:59:41 AM #43:	no shit --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:877999095] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>no shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 04/27/17 10:01:36 AM #44:	PokemonYoutube posted... Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa? Depends on what part of Africa Africa is not a country. It has very beautiful parts and not so beautiful parts. Just like Beloved America --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:877999177] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>PokemonYoutube posted...</cite> <quote>Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa?</quote> Depends on what part of Africa Africa is not a country. It has very beautiful parts and not so beautiful parts. Just like Beloved America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolboy11 04/27/17 10:03:50 AM #45:	PokemonYoutube posted... Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa? what kind of shit is this haha --- Sigs are boring <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:877999275] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>PokemonYoutube posted...</cite> <quote>Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa?</quote> what kind of shit is this haha</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 04/27/17 10:04:03 AM #46:	Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:877999286] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote>Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
S1nharvest 04/27/17 10:05:36 AM #47:	Nomadic View posted... Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf But what about black on black crime? PokemonYoutube posted... Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa? "You blacks should just be glad we allowed you in merica, if you don't like it, you can geeeeet out" --- All Hail King Ghidorah, the Monster Zero GT: KingxGeedorah - Psn: Sin_Ghidorah - http://i.imgur.com/k4Mc2.png <cite>S1nharvest posted [p:877999355] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf</quote> But what about black on black crime? <cite>PokemonYoutube posted...</cite> <quote>Just sayin': where would you rather be? America or Africa?</quote> "You blacks should just be glad we allowed you in merica, if you don't like it, you can geeeeet out"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealthRock 04/27/17 10:06:26 AM #48:	Nomadic View posted... Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf So?? Slaves also sold out other slaves. It's partly why there haven't been many successful slave revolts --- Pokemon is awesome <cite>StealthRock posted [p:877999389] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>Black people are 12 times more likely to die from homicide. https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/ Who is murdering all these black people? According to the FBI statistics it's other black people. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf</quote> So?? Slaves also sold out other slaves. It's partly why there haven't been many successful slave revolts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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coolboy11 04/27/17 10:07:37 AM #50:	ImAMarvel posted... why do some people just not grasp this? pretty hard when you plain (like huge chunks of non blacks) don't like black people --- Sigs are boring <cite>coolboy11 posted [p:877999437] in slavery an... [t:75282021]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImAMarvel posted...</cite> <quote>why do some people just not grasp this?</quote> pretty hard when you plain (like huge chunks of non blacks) don't like black people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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