Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 407: Dumpster Diving on the way to Payback

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People keep claiming he's injured people but it seems to me the evidence is "of course he has" as opposed to actual evidence. Like last night of course be critical of that, but where's this mounting evidence he routinely hurts people.
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Am I the only one who thinks that NWA is a more marketable company name to buy at the moment than TNA. It hasn't been relevant forever but there's history there and being completely off the radar might be better than whatever TNA is.
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I think the other big example people go to was Sheamus giving DBry the concussion that ended his career, but that could sorta be a blessing in disguise as he'd probably be dead otherwise.
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Lopen posted...

Am I the only one who thinks that NWA is a more marketable company name to buy at the moment than TNA. It hasn't been relevant forever but there's history there and being completely off the radar might be better than whatever TNA is.

I agree it's more marketable, but I'm not sure to who. I'm sure the next big ticket will be either getting a national TV deal or getting all the regional promotions more connected with storylines...if he can even do that.
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TheRock1525 posted...

People keep claiming he's injured people but it seems to me the evidence is "of course he has" as opposed to actual evidence. Like last night of course be critical of that, but where's this mounting evidence he routinely hurts people.

Evidence is watch enough Sheamus and you cringe seeing him stiff some people on the head with his foot.

Like seriously. Look at any one he gave to Enzo.
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Well, I agree Sheamus is probably not injuring all that many people but like I said the fact that it's a risk off of standard kicks he uses in every match that's concerning. And it's not even a matter of "change your finish" cause dude didn't knock a tooth out with the Brogue Kick.

Like even one injury that's all on Sheamus and not some issue of timing or the other guy selling wrong or whatever is kinda too many. There's enough injury risks from fluke issues in match that introducing a guy that can do it just by hitting you with a standard kick is a risk you'd rather not have.
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And yet Enzo has only one diagnosed concussion on the main roster.

From Simon Gotch.
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Concussions add up depending on the severity. Enzo had a severe concussion there. If you get cracked in the head like that, you can sometimes result in minor concussions, which will add up and make the chances of you having a bad concussion that much more real.

Wrestlers get concussions all the time. It's just normally not severe enough they need to lose maybe more than one day or no days over it. Because when Enzo takes a Brogue Kick, do you think he's going to the back to test him every time? No. It's just during which it impairs him seriously.
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A better way to explain this are chair shots to the head. People didn't get a serious concussion from them, but they're banned because getting hit in the head like that does damage. And every time Sheamus stiffs someone in the head with a kick, it does damage too.
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Sheamus
Shibata

Must be a SH thing
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Ha, so Corgan can't have TNA so he tries to recreate TNA's origin

Classic
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I mean I'm the guy who usually defends chairs to the head, basically "you're in a physical activity so some damage occurring within reasonable levels is acceptable"

But there's a difference between taking a chair shot and feeling the effects of a chair shot from a random kick. Chair Shot is basically what you'd call "acceptable risk" for a big moment. Being safe with the very standard stuff you do every match is the most important thing to be completely safe with.

That being said it's not as if I'm calling for Sheamus to be fired immediately but he definitely needs to introspect a bit.
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So with Payback last night, that now makes a span of 7 ppvs where no one has won a main event twice in said span.

Since TLC 16: Styles, Owens, Orton, Wyatt, Goldberg, Reigns, Strowman

Chances are, that streak ends at Backlash unless Jinder gets the huge upset (which then it just gets reduced to five, since it'd then be Wyatt - Goldberg - Reigns - Strowman - Orton)

Previous streaks like this... (only listing ones with 6 or more)

From SummerSlam 2014 to Royal Rumble 2015: Lesnar, Cena, Rollins, Ziggler*, Wyatt, Reigns (* = Ziggler was on a team including Cena, but was the sole survivor that evening at Survivor Series)
From Battleground 2016 to Survivor Series 2016: Ambrose, Lesnar, Styles, Owens, Wyatt, Charlotte, Goldberg
No Mercy 2008 to WrestleMania 25: Jericho, Batista, Cena, Jeff Hardy, Orton, Edge, HHH
Backlash 2006 to SummerSlam 2006: Cena, Rey, RVD, HHH (or HBK, either one since it was a tag), Booker, Edge
Judgment Day 2005 to Unforgiven 2005: Cena, Dudleys (either one, tag match), Batista, JBL, Hogan, Angle
Great American Bash 2004 to Taboo Tuesday 2004: Taker, Benoit, Orton, HHH, JBL, Flair
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CSS has officially turned into Chris Crocker level "LEAVE ROMAN ALONE!!!!"

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2017/5/1/15497750/the-roman-rage-has-gone-too-far
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"Don't boo Roman! You made a child sad!"

Or even better "Guys, not everything is going to appeal to you!"
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That guy is an idiot. That's all that can really be said.
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Oh man, remember when people thought Dolph getting the win at Survivor Series meant something for him? lol
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ffmasterjose posted...

Oh man, remember when people thought Dolph getting the win at Survivor Series meant something for him? lol

Looking back, I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Dolph won at Survivor Series that year was because Reigns was hurt.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

"Don't boo Roman! You made a child sad!"

Or even better "Guys, not everything is going to appeal to you!"

cool, it doesn't have to appeal to me. therefore i won't cheer when it doesn't, i will when it does, and let them have accurate feedback of my feelings, which in turn can prompt them into getting my money. it ain't like this was a mysterious crowd, people have for over a year now been booing Roman and beating Undertaker was obviously going to make those sentiments grow. at this point, blame Vince for getting this to where it is because it's a pretty easy fucking solution.
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

ffmasterjose posted...

Oh man, remember when people thought Dolph getting the win at Survivor Series meant something for him? lol

Looking back, I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Dolph won at Survivor Series that year was because Reigns was hurt.

Imagine Roman needing Sting's help though
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RaidenZeroX posted...

That guy is an idiot. That's all that can really be said.

I dunno, I think he's got a bit of a point. I don't think people should stop booing but it starts to get a bit vicious after a while and it's got a very unpleasant, vindictive edge to it.
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As long as you aren't trying to get in some kid's face to shit-talk him for liking Roman, do what you want.

I mean it's pretty clear at this point that the actual reactions change little
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Yeah I don't necessarily buy into the "think of the kids!" thing - though it might take the shine off it for them and that is legitimately a shame - but I mean just the general atmosphere. It's a pretty toxic environment at times. But WWE are at least partly to blame for not responding.
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Well, the majority of their fans and viewers are the people booing this guy out of the building, so they would probably be smarter to listen to them instead of the kids.

It's not like a Cena situation where the world flips upside down and you have nobody else raking in the big money if they turn Roman heel.
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"And viewers" is a bit disingenuous. Do you really think the majority of regular WWE viewers dislike Reigns?
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the ones sitting in the arena or buy tickets to WWE shows sure do.
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Jakyl25 posted...

As long as you aren't trying to get in some kid's face to shit-talk him for liking Roman, do what you want.

I mean it's pretty clear at this point that the actual reactions change little

Yeah this is the clear distinction for me.

Reacting to what's happening in the ring? All things should be ok.
Yelling at other people in the audience? That's horse shit.
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https://twitter.com/BraunStrowman/status/858881930263011328
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I kind of thought it was a little fucked up that they were screaming "YOU DESERVE IT" at a guy who is a bloody broken mess.
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If he was really injured, sure. His character being reduced to a bloody broken mess is no different than any other despised character getting their ass kicked.
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and yet, he still got to one-up BRAAAAAUUUUUN after the match.
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Wanglicious posted...

and yet, he still got to one-up BRAAAAAUUUUUN after the match.

which is exactly the kind of thing people are booing him and ripping into him for in the first place
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What I think should've happened

- Dude who looks vaguely like Roman Reigns is tending to the Ambulance after the show
- Braun shouts I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU and rams said guy through the Ambulance Door. Doesn't miss.
- Looks down, realizes it's not Roman Reigns. Hits him with the Ambulance Door for good measure and walks off.
- Cut away to Roman Reigns who is limping into his car to drive off.

Then you have a nice subtly given reason why Roman really didn't want medical attention and he kinda saves some face because at least he "outsmarted" Braun.
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FFDragon posted...

Wanglicious posted...

and yet, he still got to one-up BRAAAAAUUUUUN after the match.

which is exactly the kind of thing people are booing him and ripping into him for in the first place

Exactly. People aren't mad at Roman the person (aside from MWC). We're upset at Vince making Roman the character invincible when he's not deserving of his spot. The least talented member of the Shield (by a longshot) shouldn't be the one pushed to the moon.
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Lopen posted...

What I think should've happened

- Dude who looks vaguely like Roman Reigns is tending to the Ambulance after the show
- Braun shouts I'M NOT FINISHED WITH YOU and rams said guy through the Ambulance Door. Doesn't miss.
- Looks down, realizes it's not Roman Reigns. Hits him with the Ambulance Door for good measure and walks off.
- Cut away to Roman Reigns who is limping into his car to drive off.

Then you have a nice subtly given reason why Roman really didn't want medical attention and he kinda saves some face because at least he "outsmarted" Braun.

This would have been amazing in every way. They need to hire you to replace all of the Raw writers.
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I don't see why anybody should have a problem with crowds booing Reigns. Adults are supposed to not boo him because kids like him? That never made sense to me. There are tons of things that I liked as a kid that other people didn't, never bothered me.

But I do think there is a line and the crowd after WM shouting profanities, while hilarious from my view at home, is probably going too far.
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Look I have no sympathy for noted Holocaust denier Roman Reigns
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XIII_rocks posted...

"And viewers" is a bit disingenuous. Do you really think the majority of regular WWE viewers dislike Reigns?

Their demographic is older males.

Older males are the ones constantly booing Roman Reigns. So yeah, I'd say most of them do.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Their demographic is older males.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLikP6BDH5w
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Their viewer demographic definitely is older.

For merch selling it's definitely skewed younger.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Their demographic is older males.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLikP6BDH5w

Bro, you just need to look at the ratings breakdowns every week.

Edit: That said, their demographic isn't also their target demographic.
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Yeah basically 2/3 of their audience is old enough to remember the Attitude Era

And they STILL skew younger than TNA and LU's audiences

Only old people watch wrestling on TV
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To be fair, Lucha Underground should absolutely have an older audience.
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By "older" I mean the majority of their viewers are 40+

Younger people watch in nontraditional ways?
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Well, I just mean that kids probably shouldn't watch Pentagon Dark tear open Vampiro's head and drink his blood.
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Well, nobody really should.
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I think Alexa is the best on the mic for the Raw women. Mickie is good, I don't know much about Emma, but the rest are... Not so good.
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I didn't like the house of horrors and im a wwe fanboy who even liked Khali
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I want Bayley to befriend Nia and then those two dominate everyone with the power of friendship (and Nia Jax).

It would probably need to wait until after Sasha betrays her though.
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