Poll of the Day > Do you like it when optional bosses are harder then the final boss?

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Ogurisama 04/16/17 8:16:57 PM #1:	Like Culex in Mario RPG And the Legend of the Seven Stars Or Dullahan in Golden Sun Lost Age --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:877328292] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Like Culex in Mario RPG And the Legend of the Seven Stars Or Dullahan in Golden Sun Lost Age</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/16/17 8:28:46 PM #2:	Optional bosses should be hard relative to the point in the game you're at. When at the end they usually gimp the final fight by raising the stat/level ceiling so you can steamroll, when it should be a challenge to instill a sense of competence and threat from the big bad. Optional bosses should only be harder if they're supposed to be outright unbeatable and so a victory isn't canon, just a way to challenge yourself further. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:877328979] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Optional bosses should be hard relative to the point in the game you're at. When at the end they usually gimp the final fight by raising the stat/level ceiling so you can steamroll, when it should be a challenge to instill a sense of competence and threat from the big bad. Optional bosses should only be harder if they're supposed to be outright unbeatable and so a victory isn't canon, just a way to challenge yourself further.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 04/16/17 8:32:27 PM #3:	Yeah because it gives you something to do after finishing the main story to the game --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "because I like to troll" -yourDaddie <cite>Mead posted [p:877329206] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Yeah because it gives you something to do after finishing the main story to the game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/16/17 8:34:52 PM #4:	a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there? on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:877329342] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there? on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 04/16/17 8:38:46 PM #5:	WhiskeyDisk posted... on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "because I like to troll" -yourDaddie <cite>Mead posted [p:877329544] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it.</quote> By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 04/16/17 8:41:49 PM #6:	WhiskeyDisk posted... at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right Explain <cite>green dragon posted [p:877329724] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right</quote> Explain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 04/16/17 8:51:52 PM #7:	green dragon posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right Explain in Nocturne, based on certain dialog choices, the ending will change. this is up to and including which final boss you face. if you manage to walk a knife's edge for the entire course of the game that prevents a number of areas from being closed off so you can't kill all the Fiends and collect all the Magatamas, you can get the True Demon Ending where you fight one of the regular endgame bosses, then there's a major reveal and you get to fight what was at that point the hardest boss fight in the entire SMT Franchise. --- http://i.imgur.com/4fmtLFt.gif http://s1.zetaboards.com/sba/ ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:877330315] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>green dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right</quote> Explain</quote> in Nocturne, based on certain dialog choices, the ending will change. this is up to and including which final boss you face. if you manage to walk a knife's edge for the entire course of the game that prevents a number of areas from being closed off so you can't kill all the Fiends and collect all the Magatamas, you can get the True Demon Ending where you fight one of the regular endgame bosses, then there's a major reveal and you get to fight what was at that point the hardest boss fight in the entire SMT Franchise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AbsoluteDenial 04/16/17 9:18:44 PM #8:	Sure. The final boss shouldn't be made easy, but I'd much rather struggle with an optional boss than one required for story progression. --- "Those statistics are interesting, but like all statistics, they are also irrelevant." - Alex Shrub <cite>AbsoluteDenial posted [p:877331907] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Sure. The final boss shouldn't be made easy, but I'd much rather struggle with an optional boss than one required for story progression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 04/16/17 9:27:36 PM #9:	Mead posted... Yeah because it gives you something to do after finishing the main story to the game --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:877332385] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah because it gives you something to do after finishing the main story to the game</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 04/16/17 9:36:31 PM #10:	Mead posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy By that logic the reward shouldn't be a combat-oriented reward. The strongest weapon should be acquired before the strongest enemy so the weapon has a purpose and the strongest enemy can be even more impressive than your standard rabble. --- RIP_Supa posted... I've seen some stuff <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:877332872] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it.</quote> By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy</quote> By that logic the reward shouldn't be a combat-oriented reward. The strongest weapon should be acquired before the strongest enemy so the weapon has a purpose and the strongest enemy can be even more impressive than your standard rabble.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/16/17 9:37:54 PM #11:	Where's the poll, commie?! And yes, because it allows you to have a challenge without really breaking the game for others. WhiskeyDisk posted... a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there? Because the other boss isn't a direct threat. A goblin general may be far weaker than a dragon, but if the general has been invading your lands killing people and all the dragon has ever done is sleep, there's clearly a priority there. Granted, it's cool to have alternate modes for end-bosses so you could choose to ramp up the difficulty. One example might be having your character (or party) claim an ancient relic to keep it out of the big bad's hands because it could release his true form. You could then knowingly bring it with you to unleash his true power. As for why you'd do that on a plot level, it could be the difference between sealing the boss in a cage or destroying him for good. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877332944] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Where's the poll, commie?! And yes, because it allows you to have a challenge without really breaking the game for others. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there?</quote> Because the other boss isn't a direct threat. A goblin general may be far weaker than a dragon, but if the general has been invading your lands killing people and all the dragon has ever done is sleep, there's clearly a priority there. Granted, it's cool to have alternate modes for end-bosses so you could choose to ramp up the difficulty. One example might be having your character (or party) claim an ancient relic to keep it out of the big bad's hands because it could release his true form. You could then knowingly bring it with you to unleash his true power. As for why you'd do that on a plot level, it could be the difference between sealing the boss in a cage or destroying him for good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 04/16/17 10:10:28 PM #12:	WhiskeyDisk posted... green dragon posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right Explain in Nocturne, based on certain dialog choices, the ending will change. this is up to and including which final boss you face. if you manage to walk a knife's edge for the entire course of the game that prevents a number of areas from being closed off so you can't kill all the Fiends and collect all the Magatamas, you can get the True Demon Ending where you fight one of the regular endgame bosses, then there's a major reveal and you get to fight what was at that point the hardest boss fight in the entire SMT Franchise. Oh neat. I like the smt games but have not played nocturne <cite>green dragon posted [p:877334859] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>green dragon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right</quote> Explain</quote> in Nocturne, based on certain dialog choices, the ending will change. this is up to and including which final boss you face. if you manage to walk a knife's edge for the entire course of the game that prevents a number of areas from being closed off so you can't kill all the Fiends and collect all the Magatamas, you can get the True Demon Ending where you fight one of the regular endgame bosses, then there's a major reveal and you get to fight what was at that point the hardest boss fight in the entire SMT Franchise.</quote> Oh neat. I like the smt games but have not played nocturne</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SusanGreenEyes 04/16/17 10:14:03 PM #13:	In Skyrim, The Ebony Warrior (optional) is way harder than Alduin (main boss). --- Been a murder, over in Riften. Some old lady who runs an orphanage. Those poor children must be heartbroken. <cite>SusanGreenEyes posted [p:877335041] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>In Skyrim, The Ebony Warrior (optional) is way harder than Alduin (main boss).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
promero14 04/16/17 10:37:33 PM #14:	Fucking Midir in Dark Souls 3 <cite>promero14 posted [p:877336444] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Fucking Midir in Dark Souls 3</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
avatarmight 04/16/17 10:38:14 PM #15:	Superbosses? I love superbosses. The more the better for me, like in FFXII where you get a million of em. Great, fun bonus content for those that want it and rewards those that end up overpowered by the final boss due to doing all sidequests and such. --- "I mean, even the buffest gym bro can't work out his eyeballs, right? They're all equally squishy!" - Mia, Xenoblade Chronicles X <cite>avatarmight posted [p:877336489] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Superbosses? I love superbosses. The more the better for me, like in FFXII where you get a million of em. Great, fun bonus content for those that want it and rewards those that end up overpowered by the final boss due to doing all sidequests and such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TyVulpine 04/16/17 10:43:09 PM #16:	Not really, but I do hate when they pull the That One Boss bit (earlier boss harder than final boss). U.N. Squadron, the ~~Cave Ceiling Boss harder than the main boss~~ Star Fox Adventures ~~Test of Fear~~ Super Mario Bros 3 ~~Ludwig's Airship~~ --- Fall down, go boom... Life is like a box of chocolates. Most of it is crap. <cite>TyVulpine posted [p:877336761] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Not really, but I do hate when they pull the That One Boss bit (earlier boss harder than final boss). U.N. Squadron, the Cave Ceiling Boss harder than the main boss Star Fox Adventures Test of Fear Super Mario Bros 3 Ludwig's Airship</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 04/16/17 10:43:39 PM #17:	KH and the weapons from FF7 come to mind real fast <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:877336799] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>KH and the weapons from FF7 come to mind real fast</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Falos 04/16/17 11:51:57 PM #18:	Progress curve should cap for final boss, yes (ie tuned for "lv90~95") but then you simply have the game completion unlock what is generally called "prestige" growth. This gives you space to tune ludicrous challenges without giving casuals the finger. Y'know, Battletoads shit. --- These skills only produce pain and harm. You say Master, yet I play puppet to death and destruction. The skills of a master create, nourish, and protect. ~J9ma6 <cite>Falos posted [p:877340454] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Progress curve should cap for final boss, yes (ie tuned for "lv90~95") but then you simply have the game completion unlock what is generally called "prestige" growth. This gives you space to tune ludicrous challenges without giving casuals the finger. Y'know, Battletoads shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gguirao 04/21/17 2:31:30 AM #19:	No. --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:877610102] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_The_Chris 04/21/17 7:24:13 AM #20:	I guess. All DLC bosses except the first one were more difficult than the final boss in Dark Souls, for me. And don't even get me started on Nameless King --- 2017 St. Louis Cardinals are 6-9 <cite>What_The_Chris posted [p:877616134] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>I guess. All DLC bosses except the first one were more difficult than the final boss in Dark Souls, for me. And don't even get me started on Nameless King</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 04/21/17 9:07:24 AM #21:	how are your two examples going to be from games no one's played --- wanna watch me eat a pineapple pizza with a diced hardboiled egg on it? https://youtu.be/j3mGmQWc7hY <cite>helIy posted [p:877618977] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>how are your two examples going to be from games no one's played</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SilentSeph 04/21/17 9:18:43 AM #22:	helIy posted... how are your two examples going to be from games no one's played Are you referring to the OP? I thought many people played and loved Super Mario RPG. <cite>SilentSeph posted [p:877619321] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote>how are your two examples going to be from games no one's played</quote> Are you referring to the OP? I thought many people played and loved Super Mario RPG.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Renraku_San 04/21/17 9:51:25 AM #24:	then the final boss what? --- I worship Jesus Christ and am 100% proud to be Christian! I read the Bible every day, you should too! <cite>Renraku_San posted [p:877620575] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>then the final boss what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 04/21/17 9:57:49 AM #25:	Mead posted... WhiskeyDisk posted... on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy I never get the best weapon. I just lame it out --- Official King of Black People http://i.imgur.com/Zk3VS3o.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OzUO7j1.png <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:877620826] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it.</quote> By that logic you should always avoid getting the strongest weapon And also avoid defeating the strongest enemy</quote> I never get the best weapon. I just lame it out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peterass 04/21/17 10:13:23 AM #26:	It's fine if you can face the optional boss after you've completed the main story.. But if you have to kill the optional boss before the beating the last boss (because the game won't let you go back) then I don't like the idea. --- Everything is awesome <cite>Peterass posted [p:877621487] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>It's fine if you can face the optional boss after you've completed the main story.. But if you have to kill the optional boss before the beating the last boss (because the game won't let you go back) then I don't like the idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
grahf_the_id 04/21/17 11:04:25 AM #27:	Yes! They always should be. Best optional bosses: 1. Seraphic Radiance in Shadow Hearts 2. Ozma in FFIX 3. Omega Weapon in FFVIII 4. Elidibus in FF Tactics 5. Elizabeth from Persona 3 6. Margaret in Person 4 7. Immortal One in Lost Odyssey 8. Omega ID in Xenosaga Episode III: Also sprach Zarathustra 9. Time Devourer in Chrono Trigger 10. Ozzie, Slash and Flea in Chrono Cross --- I am Grahf, the seeker of power. Doth thou desire the power? My fist is the divine breath! - Grahf in Xenogears <cite>grahf_the_id posted [p:877624062] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote>Yes! They always should be. Best optional bosses: 1. Seraphic Radiance in Shadow Hearts 2. Ozma in FFIX 3. Omega Weapon in FFVIII 4. Elidibus in FF Tactics 5. Elizabeth from Persona 3 6. Margaret in Person 4 7. Immortal One in Lost Odyssey 8. Omega ID in Xenosaga Episode III: Also sprach Zarathustra 9. Time Devourer in Chrono Trigger 10. Ozzie, Slash and Flea in Chrono Cross</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fettster777 04/21/17 11:58:23 AM #28:	WhiskeyDisk posted... a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there? on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right. I agree with the weapon part. The KH games were good about this until BBS and KH3D when you get the ultima weapon for beating optional super bosses. <cite>fettster777 posted [p:877626808] in Do you lik... [t:75246048]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>a lot of times optional superbosses ruin the immersion for me. why would the canon final boss be the thing to worry about when there's something way more powerful out there? on a related note when the prerequisite for the ultimate weapon in a game involves killing optional super powered bosses, what then is the point of having that ultimate weapon? there's nothing left worth killing with it. at least SMT:N got optional bosses/super bosses right. its about the only game off the top of my head that has gotten the idea right.</quote> I agree with the weapon part. The KH games were good about this until BBS and KH3D when you get the ultima weapon for beating optional super bosses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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