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COVxy 04/12/17 10:50:02 AM #51:	booboy posted... Where would various STEM fields fall on that ratio? I'm only curious because my own anecdotal evidence in manufacturing and drafting education, politics were almost completely nonexistent. Anecdotally, I've never met a conservative scientist. I think I remember it being high up there in the ratios. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877047114] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Where would various STEM fields fall on that ratio? I'm only curious because my own anecdotal evidence in manufacturing and drafting education, politics were almost completely nonexistent. </quote> Anecdotally, I've never met a conservative scientist. I think I remember it being high up there in the ratios.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/12/17 10:52:15 AM #53:	Table 2 Field Liberal Moderate Conservative Phys/bio sciences 45.2 47.0 7.8 Social sciences 58.2 36.9 4.9 Humanities 52.2 44.3 3.6 Comp sci/engineering 10.7 78.0 11.3 Health sciences 20.5 59.0 20.5 Other 53.4 35.9 10.7 Business 21.3 54.3 24.5 Total 43.5 47.1 9.4 terrible formatting, sorry http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/lounsbery_9-25.pdf anyways, STEM fields seem to lean left but they still have a pretty high proportion of conservatives compared to academics overall, though not as much as business or health science (the latter surprises me) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877047228] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Table 2 Field Liberal Moderate Conservative Phys/bio sciences 45.2 47.0 7.8 Social sciences 58.2 36.9 4.9 Humanities 52.2 44.3 3.6 Comp sci/engineering 10.7 78.0 11.3 Health sciences 20.5 59.0 20.5 Other 53.4 35.9 10.7 Business 21.3 54.3 24.5 Total 43.5 47.1 9.4 terrible formatting, sorry http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/lounsbery_9-25.pdf anyways, STEM fields seem to lean left but they still have a pretty high proportion of conservatives compared to academics overall, though not as much as business or health science (the latter surprises me)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 04/12/17 10:52:15 AM #54:	Because people who just graduated college tend to believe that things just work, have never owned a home or pay taxes. Once people start earning money and have to give some of it away they become much less liberal. --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:877047229] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Because people who just graduated college tend to believe that things just work, have never owned a home or pay taxes. Once people start earning money and have to give some of it away they become much less liberal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kekistan 04/12/17 10:53:02 AM #56:	Conservative student clubs tend to have economics and business people in there. --- http://archive.is/u28f5 <cite>Kekistan posted [p:877047274] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Conservative student clubs tend to have economics and business people in there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 10:53:25 AM #57:	COVxy posted... booboy posted... Where would various STEM fields fall on that ratio? I'm only curious because my own anecdotal evidence in manufacturing and drafting education, politics were almost completely nonexistent. Anecdotally, I've never met a conservative scientist. I think I remember it being high up there in the ratios. there seems to be a difference between the hard sciences and computer science/engineering not sure where math is I should probably look at more studies too --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877047289] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>booboy posted...</cite> <quote>Where would various STEM fields fall on that ratio? I'm only curious because my own anecdotal evidence in manufacturing and drafting education, politics were almost completely nonexistent. </quote> Anecdotally, I've never met a conservative scientist. I think I remember it being high up there in the ratios.</quote> there seems to be a difference between the hard sciences and computer science/engineering not sure where math is I should probably look at more studies too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 04/12/17 10:57:54 AM #58:	There's so much circle jerking in here the floor is sticky. I feel like some of you haven't interacted with conservative people outside of online caricatures. Anyway, I suspect there are a number of reasons college students and professors tend to lean Left. For example, a lot of conservatives come from rural and/or poor families. They don't necessarily get the same opportunities to attend prestigious universities as the middle and upper middle class urban and suburban children. They have to go to work out of high school (schools which aren't typically of great qualities). Usually somewhere in the trades or industrial work. But people seem comfortable ignoring or looking down on the rural poor and their lack of access and opportunities. I do think the "indoctrination" is a factor. Well, in regards to getting kids who were already leaning left to go full tilt into progressivism and social justice activism. There are some classes that seem to exist for little reason beyond recruiting activists into progressive causes. Indoctrination isn't necessarily the word I would choose, because I suspect the students who go for those courses were already pretty firmly planted in the Left anyway. More women in university is probably a contributing factor, as they tend to lean more to the left than men in general. Makes sense that adding more of a left leaning population to a group would skew the statistics in that direction. There may be a bit of under reporting on conservatism in colleges. There are stories of conservative students being bullied and harassed while administration looks the other way. I read an article just yesterday of a anew anti-abortion group being harassed by other students who were trying to destroy their displays and shut them up. Had to get security to keep them safe. Apparently the administration accused them of being too confrontational, even though their display was peaceful. But the article was written by one of the students in that group, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt. Also, I'd like to point out the XmasPikachu's stellar mental gymnastics as he stereotypes conservatives as he knocks them for believing stereotypes. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:877047528] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>There's so much circle jerking in here the floor is sticky. I feel like some of you haven't interacted with conservative people outside of online caricatures. Anyway, I suspect there are a number of reasons college students and professors tend to lean Left. For example, a lot of conservatives come from rural and/or poor families. They don't necessarily get the same opportunities to attend prestigious universities as the middle and upper middle class urban and suburban children. They have to go to work out of high school (schools which aren't typically of great qualities). Usually somewhere in the trades or industrial work. But people seem comfortable ignoring or looking down on the rural poor and their lack of access and opportunities. I do think the "indoctrination" is a factor. Well, in regards to getting kids who were already leaning left to go full tilt into progressivism and social justice activism. There are some classes that seem to exist for little reason beyond recruiting activists into progressive causes. Indoctrination isn't necessarily the word I would choose, because I suspect the students who go for those courses were already pretty firmly planted in the Left anyway. More women in university is probably a contributing factor, as they tend to lean more to the left than men in general. Makes sense that adding more of a left leaning population to a group would skew the statistics in that direction. There may be a bit of under reporting on conservatism in colleges. There are stories of conservative students being bullied and harassed while administration looks the other way. I read an article just yesterday of a anew anti-abortion group being harassed by other students who were trying to destroy their displays and shut them up. Had to get security to keep them safe. Apparently the administration accused them of being too confrontational, even though their display was peaceful. But the article was written by one of the students in that group, so feel free to take it with a grain of salt. Also, I'd like to point out the XmasPikachu's stellar mental gymnastics as he stereotypes conservatives as he knocks them for believing stereotypes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 10:59:06 AM #59:	Balrog0 posted... there seems to be a difference between the hard sciences and computer science/engineering I mean, that makes sense. I remember reading through this list and thinking that the organizational factor seems to be monetary incentive. The fields that a vast majority get into because of good pay tend to lean further conservative. Wording is particular here, because on the whole they are still majority liberal leaning. It always kills me what people talk about these fields as if to suggest only liberal arts fields are liberal leaning. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877047590] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>there seems to be a difference between the hard sciences and computer science/engineering</quote> I mean, that makes sense. I remember reading through this list and thinking that the organizational factor seems to be monetary incentive. The fields that a vast majority get into because of good pay tend to lean further conservative. Wording is particular here, because on the whole they are still majority liberal leaning. It always kills me what people talk about these fields as if to suggest only liberal arts fields are liberal leaning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:00:28 AM #60:	Balrog0 posted... Zanzenburger posted... Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. how do you feel about the recent wave of leftist protest of open discourse? also, why do you think that political ideology varies so much by discipline? That is not something that is promoted by universities (not usually, anyways). The problem universities face is that they try to encourage students to be more active in political and other community causes. But they don't want to dictate what students should and shouldn't fight for. A lot of the leftist protest is generational, not necessarily liberal. It's a product of their upbringing and how they see the world. It isn't the university's job to stifle or encourage their viewpoints, but instead to help the students develop into mature debaters and fight for causes they are passionate about with the correct tact and correct information. Obviously, there are students who take this too far. These are the ones you see in the headlines. Most students (and I can only speak anecdotally from my state as I've worked closely with every university in my state) are much more reasonable than the extremists you see in the news. The difference in discipline really depends on region, honestly. Midwestern psychology majors, for example, will be different from coastal and southern psychology majors, because their communities are dealing with different types of problems. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877047650] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> how do you feel about the recent wave of leftist protest of open discourse? also, why do you think that political ideology varies so much by discipline?</quote> That is not something that is promoted by universities (not usually, anyways). The problem universities face is that they try to encourage students to be more active in political and other community causes. But they don't want to dictate what students should and shouldn't fight for. A lot of the leftist protest is generational, not necessarily liberal. It's a product of their upbringing and how they see the world. It isn't the university's job to stifle or encourage their viewpoints, but instead to help the students develop into mature debaters and fight for causes they are passionate about with the correct tact and correct information. Obviously, there are students who take this too far. These are the ones you see in the headlines. Most students (and I can only speak anecdotally from my state as I've worked closely with every university in my state) are much more reasonable than the extremists you see in the news. The difference in discipline really depends on region, honestly. Midwestern psychology majors, for example, will be different from coastal and southern psychology majors, because their communities are dealing with different types of problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:03:30 AM #61:	meingott posted... anyway, to all the people saying college enhances your critical thinking and opens you up to new ideas. are you fucking kidding? have you been living under a rock? colleges are all about safe places where adults can play with play-doh and color in coloring books if they were hurt or scared by other people's opinions. colleges are places where people shut down free speech, even through force and violence and threats of violence, whenever someone brings a viewpoint they don't like. tons of people enter college as sane individuals and leave as insane social justice warriors. it's becoming an epidemic. take a look at this idiot: http://www.phillyvoice.com/villanova-student-shaves-her-head-combat-hair-privilege/ numerous examples of college idiocy have been shared on this board over the last few years. To reiterate what Asherlee said, what you are seeing is headlines by extreme minorities. That's like pointing out to the crazy stuff Christian extremists have done these last few years and saying Christianity is a crazy religion. Or that drunk, redneck football fans are the epitome of people on stands on game day. They're a stereotype due to a vocal minority and media that perpetuates it through exposure. The purpose of college and intent is to look at new ideas and be able to process them and either use them to reaffirm, challenge, or completely revamp your own initial ones. For the most part, it works. Various polls employers have taken have shown that they much prefer college graduates over non-college graduates because of their critical thinking skills. They are able to look at problems in a new way to solve things they weren't necessarily trained for. While non-college grads are really good at tasks they've been trained to do, they don't do as well when tasked with something they haven't seen before. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877047779] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>anyway, to all the people saying college enhances your critical thinking and opens you up to new ideas. are you fucking kidding? have you been living under a rock? colleges are all about safe places where adults can play with play-doh and color in coloring books if they were hurt or scared by other people's opinions. colleges are places where people shut down free speech, even through force and violence and threats of violence, whenever someone brings a viewpoint they don't like. tons of people enter college as sane individuals and leave as insane social justice warriors. it's becoming an epidemic. take a look at this idiot: http://www.phillyvoice.com/villanova-student-shaves-her-head-combat-hair-privilege/ numerous examples of college idiocy have been shared on this board over the last few years.</quote> To reiterate what Asherlee said, what you are seeing is headlines by extreme minorities. That's like pointing out to the crazy stuff Christian extremists have done these last few years and saying Christianity is a crazy religion. Or that drunk, redneck football fans are the epitome of people on stands on game day. They're a stereotype due to a vocal minority and media that perpetuates it through exposure. The purpose of college and intent is to look at new ideas and be able to process them and either use them to reaffirm, challenge, or completely revamp your own initial ones. For the most part, it works. Various polls employers have taken have shown that they much prefer college graduates over non-college graduates because of their critical thinking skills. They are able to look at problems in a new way to solve things they weren't necessarily trained for. While non-college grads are really good at tasks they've been trained to do, they don't do as well when tasked with something they haven't seen before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 04/12/17 11:08:49 AM #62:	1. Social conservatism has many backwards views that don't jive with modern culture. Being around a diverse group of people for 4 years, the chances that you are going to be opposed to gay marriage, for bathroom bills, or freak out about "dem moslemz" are pretty slim. 2. Many college students waste their money on majors that do nothing to advance their careers and come out with low paying jobs and a ton of debt from loans. Out of self interest, they will side with the party promising them entitlements and the robin hood philosophy. 3. Most professors are liberals so they promote those ideas as whats right and what's normal. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:877048038] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>1. Social conservatism has many backwards views that don't jive with modern culture. Being around a diverse group of people for 4 years, the chances that you are going to be opposed to gay marriage, for bathroom bills, or freak out about "dem moslemz" are pretty slim. 2. Many college students waste their money on majors that do nothing to advance their careers and come out with low paying jobs and a ton of debt from loans. Out of self interest, they will side with the party promising them entitlements and the robin hood philosophy. 3. Most professors are liberals so they promote those ideas as whats right and what's normal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:09:14 AM #63:	s0nicfan posted... The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are. I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877048057] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are.</quote> I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/12/17 11:16:05 AM #65:	Asherlee10 posted... Zanzenburger posted... The difference in discipline really depends on region, honestly. I think this is a good point. It's going to be very difficult to put individual disciplines into individual buckets. There are too many variables. Culture, region, previous education, etc. I dunno how true I think that is, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some particular institutions where I'd buy this (Hillsdale is going to be very conservative, obviously, and maybe CCs will be less liberal than 4 yr Liberal Arts colleges) but as far as region goes I'm a bit less convinced. The issue is that the job market for professors really isn't regional, it's national. It's not like you usually get your PhD from a school and then go on to teach there, though of course that happens too --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877048396] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>The difference in discipline really depends on region, honestly.</quote> I think this is a good point. It's going to be very difficult to put individual disciplines into individual buckets. There are too many variables. Culture, region, previous education, etc.</quote> I dunno how true I think that is, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some particular institutions where I'd buy this (Hillsdale is going to be very conservative, obviously, and maybe CCs will be less liberal than 4 yr Liberal Arts colleges) but as far as region goes I'm a bit less convinced. The issue is that the job market for professors really isn't regional, it's national. It's not like you usually get your PhD from a school and then go on to teach there, though of course that happens too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:16:50 AM #66:	Asherlee10 posted... 1. When you can't express your points with out phrases like "Are you f*ing kidding me?" and "when did you attend that s?" - it suggests you're way angrier than you should be. 2. I'm not going to just take your word for it. 3. Feel free to give some insight about your bad attitude. 1. you're reading into a very minute amount of text 2. go google, even top universities have this shit going on 3. "waaa i don't like what you're saying therefore it's a bad attitude" <cite>meingott posted [p:877048435] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>1. When you can't express your points with out phrases like "Are you fing kidding me?" and "when did you attend that s*?" - it suggests you're way angrier than you should be. 2. I'm not going to just take your word for it. 3. Feel free to give some insight about your bad attitude.</quote> 1. you're reading into a very minute amount of text 2. go google, even top universities have this shit going on 3. "waaa i don't like what you're saying therefore it's a bad attitude"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/12/17 11:17:05 AM #67:	XmasPikachu posted... Yeah, the wall won't need tax money. Paying for cheeto's trips and golf outings needs no tax money. The military needs no tax money. The wall is a waste of money effort, unless it also extends ten feet underground and a hundred miles out into the oceans. Someone needs to remind our Orange Overlord that there's a bowling alley in the whitehouse basement. It's existed in some form since the Truman era. Withdraw the US military from bases that aren't in the US, and suddenly we've saved a shitton of funds. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877048444] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>XmasPikachu posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, the wall won't need tax money. Paying for cheeto's trips and golf outings needs no tax money. The military needs no tax money.</quote> The wall is a waste of money effort, unless it also extends ten feet underground and a hundred miles out into the oceans. Someone needs to remind our Orange Overlord that there's a bowling alley in the whitehouse basement. It's existed in some form since the Truman era. Withdraw the US military from bases that aren't in the US, and suddenly we've saved a shitton of funds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:17:25 AM #68:	Zanzenburger posted... s0nicfan posted... The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are. I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages. This was all true in the past. Not anymore. SJWism has poisoned that process. It's a religion. <cite>meingott posted [p:877048466] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are.</quote> I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages.</quote> This was all true in the past. Not anymore. SJWism has poisoned that process. It's a religion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 04/12/17 11:19:17 AM #69:	trying to somehow correlate education or intelligence with political affiliation never turns out well. you won't ever 'prove' anything and you're just going to start a massive, partisan flame war. --- Now Playing: Nioh (PS4), Titanfall 2 (PC) *(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:877048576] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>trying to somehow correlate education or intelligence with political affiliation never turns out well. you won't ever 'prove' anything and you're just going to start a massive, partisan flame war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:21:18 AM #70:	Giant_Aspirin posted... trying to somehow correlate education or intelligence with political affiliation never turns out well. you won't ever 'prove' anything and you're just going to start a massive, partisan flame war. good post <cite>meingott posted [p:877048688] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>trying to somehow correlate education or intelligence with political affiliation never turns out well. you won't ever 'prove' anything and you're just going to start a massive, partisan flame war.</quote> good post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Esrac 04/12/17 11:21:58 AM #71:	Zanzenburger posted... s0nicfan posted... The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are. I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages. Is Relativism the right word? That sounds less like Relativism and more like Skepticism. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:877048723] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is college teaches people to look at the world from a different perspective, but often doesn't give them all the tools to critically analyze said perspective. Rather than seeing new viewpoints as potential ones to consider, they act like they're suddenly "woke" to the truth that the stupid masses just can't see. It's not quite a god complex, but it absolutely does come from a sense of superiority. This is why you see things like college kids arguing that free college is absolutely critical for society and then getting obliterated by economists who dive into the specifics of what it would take. They fell in love with an idea, suddenly thought it wasn't just AN idea but the right idea, and went forth without ever really putting in the work to truly understand it. It's why there are so many pro-communist kids coming out of universities. I don't think facts have a liberal bias. I think facts are pretty even across both party lines, but any fact that has a conservative bias is bigoted and therefore handwaved away. Sure, let's talk about pollution using scientific data, but let's not consider the inconclusiveness of MRI scans when it comes to transsexuality. Let's argue we all need free college, but then ignore the hard math that shows the costs probably outweigh the benefits. Let's laugh at conservatives for fighting against gun control legislation but then shun and shame anyone who brings demographics into the discussion. I guess the tl;dr is colleges give people the tools think critically along with a few, often liberal examples. Rather than use said tools, they instead treat what they're told as doctrine and being their personal crusade to educate the masses on how wrong they are.</quote> I'd like to refer you to William Perry's theory of college student cognitive development. In his theory, students go through four developmental stages (further divided into 9 positions within the stages but I'll stick to stages for simplicity sake). They go as follows: Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. What you explain is students going to the Multiplicity stage. That is normal for college students. They think they have found enlightenment, that they found the secret to life because they are excited about these new trains of thought discovered in college. That's their critical thinking expanding in their infancy stage. Some breeze through it and some stay in it for a long time. It is our job as college administrators to help them through those stages into the relativism stage. The programs we provide in college both inside and outside of the classroom are meant to help students transition from one stage to the other at an appropriate speed. As such, many people never leave the dualism stage, especially if they live their entire lives with the same group of people and their worldview is never challenged. There are definitely exceptions (usually when tragedy happens or some other unexpected life event), but college is often the most common method for going through these stages.</quote> Is Relativism the right word? That sounds less like Relativism and more like Skepticism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CowboyDan 04/12/17 11:25:24 AM #74:	meingott posted... Asherlee10 posted... 1. When you can't express your points with out phrases like "Are you f*ing kidding me?" and "when did you attend that s?" - it suggests you're way angrier than you should be. 2. I'm not going to just take your word for it. 3. Feel free to give some insight about your bad attitude. 1. you're reading into a very minute amount of text 2. go google, even top universities have this shit going on 3. "waaa i don't like what you're saying therefore it's a bad attitude" You're acting like a child who's too lazy to back up his own points. That's no way to behave. --- She said, "oh my vote is as red as my blood"... <cite>CowboyDan posted [p:877048892] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote> 1. When you can't express your points with out phrases like "Are you fing kidding me?" and "when did you attend that s*?" - it suggests you're way angrier than you should be. 2. I'm not going to just take your word for it. 3. Feel free to give some insight about your bad attitude.</quote> 1. you're reading into a very minute amount of text 2. go google, even top universities have this shit going on 3. "waaa i don't like what you're saying therefore it's a bad attitude"</quote> You're acting like a child who's too lazy to back up his own points. That's no way to behave.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/12/17 11:27:20 AM #75:	Zanzenburger posted... Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life. Incidentally, this is pretty much why DARE backfired badly. Kids are fed "drugs are bad m'kay!" then eventually take a few hits off a joint and don't immediately die or get arrested. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877049004] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote>Dualism- the world is black and white, no grey area. What they believe is what is true Multiplicity- All of a sudden, new ideas "awaken" an individual and they hold these new truths to be an enlightenment and suddenly anything is possible Relativism- Suddenly, students realize that just because an idea is new, does not mean it is "true" or "correct". There must be enough fact and experience to validate an idea. Commitment to Relativism- Like the previous stage, but life experience becomes more relevant with age as people become wiser through experiencing walks of life.</quote> Incidentally, this is pretty much why DARE backfired badly. Kids are fed "drugs are bad m'kay!" then eventually take a few hits off a joint and don't immediately die or get arrested.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 04/12/17 11:31:15 AM #76:	Asherlee10 posted... YourDrunkFather posted... I like how this topic was made specifically for liberals to circle jerk about how much smarter they think they are than conservatives If you feel otherwise, feel free to contribute to the discussion. Otherwise your perpetuating the idea about conservatives that's in this topic. ...I'm not a conservative. --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:877049204] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YourDrunkFather posted...</cite> <quote>I like how this topic was made specifically for liberals to circle jerk about how much smarter they think they are than conservatives</quote> If you feel otherwise, feel free to contribute to the discussion. Otherwise your perpetuating the idea about conservatives that's in this topic.</quote> ...I'm not a conservative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:33:53 AM #77:	Asherlee10 posted... 1. No, every post in this topic from you is intellectually weak and mostly based on your projections and feelings. If you cannot convey your ideas without lashing out, it's hard to take your points seriously. 2. The burden of proof is on you. 3. I haven't formed an opinion about the content you're trying to convey, because it seems like incomplete thoughts with nothing to back it up. I'm merely commenting on your attitude and now you're just more defensive about it. Top google search results, obtained for the lazy: https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29576/ http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/06/12/a-break-from-social-justice/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/ http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-39492187 http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/03/14/dont-de-racialize-the-tempest/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block-white-people-using-campus-entrance-protest-racism/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/30/safe-spaces-for-everyone-except-politically-incorrect/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29183/ https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/09/colleges-try-to-comfort-students-upset-by-trump-victory/ http://eagnews.org/universities-offer-play-doh-therapy-dogs-coloring-books-safe-spaces-for-students-hurt-by-election/ http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/u-of-michigan-gives-students-play-doh-coloring-books-to-cope/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25748/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Rix7dojnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQYzVhkobo Plenty more out there <cite>meingott posted [p:877049340] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>1. No, every post in this topic from you is intellectually weak and mostly based on your projections and feelings. If you cannot convey your ideas without lashing out, it's hard to take your points seriously. 2. The burden of proof is on you. 3. I haven't formed an opinion about the content you're trying to convey, because it seems like incomplete thoughts with nothing to back it up. I'm merely commenting on your attitude and now you're just more defensive about it.</quote> Top google search results, obtained for the lazy: https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29576/ http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/06/12/a-break-from-social-justice/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31322/ http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-39492187 http://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/03/14/dont-de-racialize-the-tempest/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block-white-people-using-campus-entrance-protest-racism/ http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/30/safe-spaces-for-everyone-except-politically-incorrect/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29183/ https://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/11/09/colleges-try-to-comfort-students-upset-by-trump-victory/ http://eagnews.org/universities-offer-play-doh-therapy-dogs-coloring-books-safe-spaces-for-students-hurt-by-election/ http://www.wnd.com/2016/11/u-of-michigan-gives-students-play-doh-coloring-books-to-cope/ https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/25748/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Rix7dojnQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdQYzVhkobo Plenty more out there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:36:06 AM #79:	meingott posted... This was all true in the past. Not anymore. SJWism has poisoned that process. It's a religion. Where are you getting your info? I actually work with 16 colleges, today, in this present day, and this is all very true. Don't let sensationalist headlines scare you into a false reality about what's going on in the big bad colleges. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877049478] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>This was all true in the past. Not anymore. SJWism has poisoned that process. It's a religion.</quote> Where are you getting your info? I actually work with 16 colleges, today, in this present day, and this is all very true. Don't let sensationalist headlines scare you into a false reality about what's going on in the big bad colleges.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZannoL 04/12/17 11:38:47 AM #81:	gunplagirl posted... Because science and facts have a liberal leaning <cite>ZannoL posted [p:877049637] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Because science and facts have a liberal leaning</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 11:39:26 AM #82:	meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877049664] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:40:34 AM #83:	COVxy posted... meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture? <cite>meingott posted [p:877049718] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:41:16 AM #84:	look up the youtuber Sargon of Akkad he's a liberal who made a lot of videos on the same topic. <cite>meingott posted [p:877049766] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>look up the youtuber Sargon of Akkad he's a liberal who made a lot of videos on the same topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:41:35 AM #85:	Balrog0 posted... I dunno how true I think that is, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some particular institutions where I'd buy this (Hillsdale is going to be very conservative, obviously, and maybe CCs will be less liberal than 4 yr Liberal Arts colleges) but as far as region goes I'm a bit less convinced. The issue is that the job market for professors really isn't regional, it's national. It's not like you usually get your PhD from a school and then go on to teach there, though of course that happens too I think you're focusing on professors, and I'm focusing on students. That's where the disconnect lies. Regarding professors, I think it has more to do with departmental politics. For example, our history department at our college is full of Lincoln-hating, confederate flag-waving conservatives. But that's not true of the history department of the town next to us. What likely happened is the department head, who is a conservative, likely hires faculty who think like him. Just like how the liberal humanities department head hires liberal professors. It is common for people in any field to hire like-minded individuals. Which is ironic given that their goal is to teach openness to new ideas to students. But faculty hiring and tenure practices is a completely different argument saved for another day. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877049789] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I dunno how true I think that is, honestly. I mean, there are definitely some particular institutions where I'd buy this (Hillsdale is going to be very conservative, obviously, and maybe CCs will be less liberal than 4 yr Liberal Arts colleges) but as far as region goes I'm a bit less convinced. The issue is that the job market for professors really isn't regional, it's national. It's not like you usually get your PhD from a school and then go on to teach there, though of course that happens too</quote> I think you're focusing on professors, and I'm focusing on students. That's where the disconnect lies. Regarding professors, I think it has more to do with departmental politics. For example, our history department at our college is full of Lincoln-hating, confederate flag-waving conservatives. But that's not true of the history department of the town next to us. What likely happened is the department head, who is a conservative, likely hires faculty who think like him. Just like how the liberal humanities department head hires liberal professors. It is common for people in any field to hire like-minded individuals. Which is ironic given that their goal is to teach openness to new ideas to students. But faculty hiring and tenure practices is a completely different argument saved for another day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 11:41:46 AM #86:	meingott posted... COVxy posted... meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture? The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877049805] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture?</quote> The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:42:34 AM #87:	COVxy posted... meingott posted... COVxy posted... meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture? The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe. there's countless unique examples of these things happening. watch sargon of akkad's videos. it's not some isolated cases. it's a trend that is becoming more and more common. you're living in your own bubble if you insist that it's not a problem. <cite>meingott posted [p:877049853] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture?</quote> The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe.</quote> there's countless unique examples of these things happening. watch sargon of akkad's videos. it's not some isolated cases. it's a trend that is becoming more and more common. you're living in your own bubble if you insist that it's not a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 11:42:49 AM #88:	Esrac posted... Is Relativism the right word? That sounds less like Relativism and more like Skepticism. Probably, but this is what the theorist called it in the 1960s and that's how it is commonly referred by the higher education scholarship. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877049864] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>Is Relativism the right word? That sounds less like Relativism and more like Skepticism.</quote> Probably, but this is what the theorist called it in the 1960s and that's how it is commonly referred by the higher education scholarship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/12/17 11:44:17 AM #90:	Asherlee10 posted... @meingott - thank you for providing the articles. However, as both Zanzen and myself have mentioned, you are sensationalizing headlines that highlight specific incidents. I could say that I think all Christians in the U.S. are crazy because they perpetuate ideas that harm civil rights. I could then provide you with probably 100+ articles that show that is the case. But, it would be incorrect for me to assume that all, or even a majority of Christians act in that manner. your analogy does not disprove the fact that there are concerted efforts at basically every university, including top universities, to substantially alter free discourse and free thought. to the point where colleges are becoming centers of indoctrination rather than centers of critical thinking. the handful of examples i found in just a couple of minutes is not exhaustive. there are hundreds of more examples you can find, and it's just gonna get worse over time. <cite>meingott posted [p:877049935] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote>@meingott - thank you for providing the articles. However, as both Zanzen and myself have mentioned, you are sensationalizing headlines that highlight specific incidents. I could say that I think all Christians in the U.S. are crazy because they perpetuate ideas that harm civil rights. I could then provide you with probably 100+ articles that show that is the case. But, it would be incorrect for me to assume that all, or even a majority of Christians act in that manner.</quote> your analogy does not disprove the fact that there are concerted efforts at basically every university, including top universities, to substantially alter free discourse and free thought. to the point where colleges are becoming centers of indoctrination rather than centers of critical thinking. the handful of examples i found in just a couple of minutes is not exhaustive. there are hundreds of more examples you can find, and it's just gonna get worse over time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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meingott 04/12/17 11:45:17 AM #92:	Asherlee10 posted... COVxy posted... meingott posted... COVxy posted... meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture? The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe. "outrage culture" really sums it up. it really does not. he's relying on the "outrage culture" sound bite to dismiss anything he doesn't like. <cite>meingott posted [p:877049993] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture?</quote> The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe.</quote> "outrage culture" really sums it up.</quote> it really does not. he's relying on the "outrage culture" sound bite to dismiss anything he doesn't like.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/12/17 11:47:46 AM #93:	COVxy posted... meingott posted... COVxy posted... meingott posted... This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people. spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture? The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe. You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:877050157] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> This poster is literally what outrage culture does to people.</quote> spending a couple minutes to aggregate easily accessible links via Google says something about outrage culture?</quote> The fact that you have this crazy misconception of the reality of what goes on in college. You've bought into the outrage and lived in your own little bubble universe.</quote> You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CowboyDan 04/12/17 11:48:31 AM #94:	meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college. --- She said, "oh my vote is as red as my blood"... <cite>CowboyDan posted [p:877050201] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 11:48:51 AM #95:	The Admiral posted... You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. If I've consistently shown that, then you can list one example. One example where this is exactly what I did, where you are not misrepresenting my point. Go on. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877050220] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. </quote> If I've consistently shown that, then you can list one example. One example where this is exactly what I did, where you are not misrepresenting my point. Go on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meingott 04/12/17 11:49:09 AM #96:	The Admiral posted... You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. exactly CowboyDan posted... meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college, this stuff didn't exist when i went to college <cite>meingott posted [p:877050237] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. </quote> exactly <cite>CowboyDan posted...</cite> <quote>meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college, </quote> this stuff didn't exist when i went to college</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/12/17 11:57:56 AM #99:	fenderbender321 posted... Business/economics majors tend to overwhelmingly be conservative, because all the theories and practices you learn about show why government meddling in the market creates waste and pushes unwanted costs onto people participating in trade (both customers and businesses). The only problem, though, is that if they're voting for Republican, they are voting to improve any of that stuff, because Republicans are also a party of government meddling. Once again...ya gotta go libertarian. most economists are democrats hombre --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877050760] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Business/economics majors tend to overwhelmingly be conservative, because all the theories and practices you learn about show why government meddling in the market creates waste and pushes unwanted costs onto people participating in trade (both customers and businesses). The only problem, though, is that if they're voting for Republican, they are voting to improve any of that stuff, because Republicans are also a party of government meddling. Once again...ya gotta go libertarian.</quote> most economists are democrats hombre</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 12:20:13 PM #100:	meingott posted... your analogy does not disprove the fact that there are concerted efforts at basically every university, including top universities, to substantially alter free discourse and free thought. to the point where colleges are becoming centers of indoctrination rather than centers of critical thinking. the handful of examples i found in just a couple of minutes is not exhaustive. there are hundreds of more examples you can find, and it's just gonna get worse over time. Your average state university has between 25,000 and 30,000 students. There are over 2,000 universities in the US. You could find 10,000 examples of students being this way and it would still be a ridiculously small sample size compared to the amount of students in higher education. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877052130] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote>your analogy does not disprove the fact that there are concerted efforts at basically every university, including top universities, to substantially alter free discourse and free thought. to the point where colleges are becoming centers of indoctrination rather than centers of critical thinking. the handful of examples i found in just a couple of minutes is not exhaustive. there are hundreds of more examples you can find, and it's just gonna get worse over time. </quote> Your average state university has between 25,000 and 30,000 students. There are over 2,000 universities in the US. You could find 10,000 examples of students being this way and it would still be a ridiculously small sample size compared to the amount of students in higher education.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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