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Anteaterking 04/12/17 12:20:18 PM #101:	I think the notion of "liberal indoctrination" is overblown. A large majority of the people in my graduate cohort in mathematics are liberal, but an overwhelming number of classes that they took undergraduates were apolitical. Going to a public university exposed me to a wide range of people that I never met in my hometown of 5,000 people. I was already liberal, but I think it had an effect on some of my more conservative friends. It's also dependent on what kind of conservative you are. If your identity as a conservative if that you are a fundamentalist Christian, exposure to college is going to move you further left. People whose identity as a conservative was grounded in their economic beliefs tended to resist such change. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:877052134] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>I think the notion of "liberal indoctrination" is overblown. A large majority of the people in my graduate cohort in mathematics are liberal, but an overwhelming number of classes that they took undergraduates were apolitical. Going to a public university exposed me to a wide range of people that I never met in my hometown of 5,000 people. I was already liberal, but I think it had an effect on some of my more conservative friends. It's also dependent on what kind of conservative you are. If your identity as a conservative if that you are a fundamentalist Christian, exposure to college is going to move you further left. People whose identity as a conservative was grounded in their economic beliefs tended to resist such change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CowboyDan 04/12/17 12:24:45 PM #102:	meingott posted... The Admiral posted... You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. exactly CowboyDan posted... meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college, this stuff didn't exist when i went to college That's not relevant to the substance of your claim. --- She said, "oh my vote is as red as my blood"... <cite>CowboyDan posted [p:877052421] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>meingott posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote> You've consistently shown that you agree with the rhetoric and don't think it is "outrage culture" -- it's just normal behavior to you, hence why you never see a problem. And then, in the few cases where college professors do things that are indefensibly moronic, you get upset at the people for posting about it. </quote> exactly <cite>CowboyDan posted...</cite> <quote> meingott would know his argument holds no water if he had went to/paid attention in college, </quote> this stuff didn't exist when i went to college</quote> That's not relevant to the substance of your claim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 04/12/17 12:38:56 PM #103:	don't get your info from youtubers --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:877053360] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>don't get your info from youtubers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YourDrunkFather 04/12/17 12:44:43 PM #104:	Asherlee10 posted... YourDrunkFather posted... Asherlee10 posted... YourDrunkFather posted... I like how this topic was made specifically for liberals to circle jerk about how much smarter they think they are than conservatives If you feel otherwise, feel free to contribute to the discussion. Otherwise your perpetuating the idea about conservatives that's in this topic. ...I'm not a conservative. It doesn't matter. You stated an opinion about the topic trashing conservatives. If you feel otherwise, contribute to the discussion. Right, let's just ignore the fact that you made an ignorant assumption about me because I called out this topic for what it is. On topic I haven't seen the actual numbers on college graduation to know if the assurtion in the OP is even correct. And even if it is I think it's because conservatives are more likely to go to trades school. --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer <cite>YourDrunkFather posted [p:877053715] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YourDrunkFather posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Asherlee10 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YourDrunkFather posted...</cite> <quote>I like how this topic was made specifically for liberals to circle jerk about how much smarter they think they are than conservatives</quote> If you feel otherwise, feel free to contribute to the discussion. Otherwise your perpetuating the idea about conservatives that's in this topic.</quote> ...I'm not a conservative.</quote> It doesn't matter. You stated an opinion about the topic trashing conservatives. If you feel otherwise, contribute to the discussion.</quote> Right, let's just ignore the fact that you made an ignorant assumption about me because I called out this topic for what it is. On topic I haven't seen the actual numbers on college graduation to know if the assurtion in the OP is even correct. And even if it is I think it's because conservatives are more likely to go to trades school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 04/12/17 1:19:43 PM #106:	fenderbender321 posted... Let's be honest...both of us are using anecdotal evidence. No, he's basing it off of surveyed economists. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877055828] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Let's be honest...both of us are using anecdotal evidence.</quote> No, he's basing it off of surveyed economists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 1:19:55 PM #107:	Ah I almost missed a liberal dick stroking session. Fun to laugh at all the bullshit they come up with. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877055836] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Ah I almost missed a liberal dick stroking session. Fun to laugh at all the bullshit they come up with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 04/12/17 1:20:19 PM #108:	Balrog0 posted... people with less educational attainment are more likely to be religious why is that? <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:877055857] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>people with less educational attainment are more likely to be religious why is that?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 1:20:53 PM #109:	At any rate they may indeed be smarter, but there is certainly no political correlation. See obama elected twice, and the shit liberals believe in. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877055893] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>At any rate they may indeed be smarter, but there is certainly no political correlation. See obama elected twice, and the shit liberals believe in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 1:23:26 PM #110:	fenderbender321 posted... Let's be honest...both of us are using anecdotal evidence. im using data from a study uploaded on a site called "conservative criminology" actually http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/lounsbery_9-25.pdf why does this always happen on ce fenderbender321 posted... What is an 'economist' anyway...just somebody with a degree? An undergrad? Somebody who teaches economics? Somebody who makes models for fun as a hobby? There's no stats on this, so I take back what I said as well. But it's true that in my experience most of the business/econ students and professors I talked to in college were conservative or libertarian. They weren't big fans of Republicans, necessarily, but they all agreed that tax cuts are good, regulations are bad, subsidies are bad, etc. according to this work, economists break down about 34.3 Democrat, 37.1 Independent 28.6 Republican and most of those independents must lean left, because... Klein and Stern noted that in computing the ratio of Democratic to Republican voters in the social sciences and humanities, “7 to 1 is a safe lower bound estimate, and 8 to 1 or 9 to 1 are reasonable point estimates” (12-13). In Table 10, we show the distribution of Democratic, Republican, and other votes in the 2004 Presidential elections across broad disciplinary fields. Averaging the figures for the social sciences and humanities generates a ratio of Democratic to Republican voters of 8.1 to 1. It is in business and health-science fields that Bush fared better, though even in business Kerry did better than Bush by a margin of more than 2:1. of course I'm conflating economics with business more generally there still there isn't really any evidence to say that most economists are conservative or libertarian OTOH it is probably true that most economists support the ideas you're talking about, just not in the caricaturized way you're talking about it. In my experience, most people with PhDs in economics have a more careful analysis of regulations than "regulations bad" -- even if they do think government regulations are suboptimal there are always tradeoffs --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877056073] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Let's be honest...both of us are using anecdotal evidence. </quote> im using data from a study uploaded on a site called "conservative criminology" actually http://www.conservativecriminology.com/uploads/5/6/1/7/56173731/lounsbery_9-25.pdf why does this always happen on ce <cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>What is an 'economist' anyway...just somebody with a degree? An undergrad? Somebody who teaches economics? Somebody who makes models for fun as a hobby? There's no stats on this, so I take back what I said as well. But it's true that in my experience most of the business/econ students and professors I talked to in college were conservative or libertarian. They weren't big fans of Republicans, necessarily, but they all agreed that tax cuts are good, regulations are bad, subsidies are bad, etc. </quote> according to this work, economists break down about 34.3 Democrat, 37.1 Independent 28.6 Republican and most of those independents must lean left, because... Klein and Stern noted that in computing the ratio of Democratic to Republican voters in the social sciences and humanities, “7 to 1 is a safe lower bound estimate, and 8 to 1 or 9 to 1 are reasonable point estimates” (12-13). In Table 10, we show the distribution of Democratic, Republican, and other votes in the 2004 Presidential elections across broad disciplinary fields. Averaging the figures for the social sciences and humanities generates a ratio of Democratic to Republican voters of 8.1 to 1. It is in business and health-science fields that Bush fared better, though even in business Kerry did better than Bush by a margin of more than 2:1. of course I'm conflating economics with business more generally there still there isn't really any evidence to say that most economists are conservative or libertarian OTOH it is probably true that most economists support the ideas you're talking about, just not in the caricaturized way you're talking about it. In my experience, most people with PhDs in economics have a more careful analysis of regulations than "regulations bad" -- even if they do think government regulations are suboptimal there are always tradeoffs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 04/12/17 1:38:52 PM #112:	fenderbender321 posted... Plus, I never claimed most economists are conservative. you said they were "overwhelmingly conservative" actually, before you decided to backpedal --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877057123] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Plus, I never claimed most economists are conservative.</quote> you said they were "overwhelmingly conservative" actually, before you decided to backpedal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 1:39:18 PM #113:	but I guess overwhelmingly doesn't mean most, does it definitions, definitions, definitions!!!! --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877057157] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>but I guess overwhelmingly doesn't mean most, does it definitions, definitions, definitions!!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 1:43:11 PM #114:	fenderbender321 posted... If anything, you just proved yourself wrong, because you did claim most economists are democrats. But according to your source, most economists are either Republican or Independent. As just color commentary, I thought this reasoning here was hilarious. I hope that was the intent. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877057426] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>If anything, you just proved yourself wrong, because you did claim most economists are democrats. But according to your source, most economists are either Republican or Independent.</quote> As just color commentary, I thought this reasoning here was hilarious. I hope that was the intent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 1:47:06 PM #115:	liberals literally think socialism would be a good idea. Do we really need any more proof that there is no correlation? --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877057670] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>liberals literally think socialism would be a good idea. Do we really need any more proof that there is no correlation?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DemonBuffet 04/12/17 2:07:48 PM #118:	Zanzenburger posted... COVxy posted... My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness. This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. Very well put. --- Trololol <cite>DemonBuffet posted [p:877058903] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness.</quote> This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> Very well put.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 2:15:56 PM #119:	DemonBuffet posted... Zanzenburger posted... COVxy posted... My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness. This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. Very well put. That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bullshit argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. An ideology can be good, bad, right, wrong, neutral, or any number of things. It's especially dumb when a lot of liberal argument boil down to emotional ones. That's pretty much the antithesis of logical critical thinking. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877059399] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>DemonBuffet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness.</quote> This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> Very well put.</quote> That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bullshit argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. An ideology can be good, bad, right, wrong, neutral, or any number of things. It's especially dumb when a lot of liberal argument boil down to emotional ones. That's pretty much the antithesis of logical critical thinking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZannoL 04/12/17 2:25:36 PM #120:	DemonBuffet posted... Zanzenburger posted... COVxy posted... My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness. This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. Very well put. <cite>ZannoL posted [p:877060050] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>DemonBuffet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness.</quote> This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> Very well put.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 04/12/17 2:32:33 PM #121:	Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad. --- "Wear my feelins on my sleeveless my weed seedless my trees leafless I miss my diagonal grilled cheeses n back when Mike Jackson was still Jesus." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:877060488] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 2:35:08 PM #122:	CanuckCowboy posted... Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad. And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation. I don't doubt they may be better educated. But there has simply never been any correlation what so ever to political ideology. In fact if anything it's the opposite as the left comes up with just the dumbest shit. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877060666] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad.</quote> And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation. I don't doubt they may be better educated. But there has simply never been any correlation what so ever to political ideology. In fact if anything it's the opposite as the left comes up with just the dumbest shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 04/12/17 2:38:38 PM #124:	Gojak_v3 posted... CanuckCowboy posted... Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad. And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation. Republican poor: Someday, I'll not be so poor, and would rather keep more of what I scratched and clawed to finally acquire. Democrat poor: I got my obamaphone and EBT! What else you gonna give me? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:877060902] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad.</quote> And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation.</quote> Republican poor: Someday, I'll not be so poor, and would rather keep more of what I scratched and clawed to finally acquire. Democrat poor: I got my obamaphone and EBT! What else you gonna give me?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 04/12/17 2:41:09 PM #125:	You can't get politically indoctrinated in college unless you took courses related to politics. No, economics is not a political class. --- It's not stupidity, it's something much worse. It's... the GameSpot comment section!-Stebsis Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:877061071] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>You can't get politically indoctrinated in college unless you took courses related to politics. No, economics is not a political class.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shopaholic163 04/12/17 2:42:13 PM #126:	DemonBuffet posted... Zanzenburger posted... COVxy posted... My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness. This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. Very well put. --- La vie est belle <cite>Shopaholic163 posted [p:877061140] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>DemonBuffet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness.</quote> This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> Very well put.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 2:43:11 PM #127:	fenderbender321 posted... I can see why you'd think that, but think about it a bit deeper. Balrog0 stated that most economists are democrats. He then posted a source that stated economists are: 34.% Democrat 37.1% Independent 28.6% Republican So first of all, he shouldn't have said "most" economists are anything at all, because the % isn't higher than 50% for any of those 3. But, if we put that aside and just go by what political affiliation is most followed by economists, it's Independent. So if anything, he should have said "most economists are Independent/Unafilliated" So there you have it. He's wrong on multiple levels. And that's fine. We're all wrong sometimes. I was wrong earlier, and I corrected myself. Let's see if Balrog0 does the same. This isn't what your post originally said, and my guess is that you realize what you originally said was silly, and have now backtracked to a more reasonable line of thought. None-the-less, the proportion of democrats to republicans is above 1. So, overall, they are more democratic than republican. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877061200] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>I can see why you'd think that, but think about it a bit deeper. Balrog0 stated that most economists are democrats. He then posted a source that stated economists are: 34.% Democrat 37.1% Independent 28.6% Republican So first of all, he shouldn't have said "most" economists are anything at all, because the % isn't higher than 50% for any of those 3. But, if we put that aside and just go by what political affiliation is most followed by economists, it's Independent. So if anything, he should have said "most economists are Independent/Unafilliated" So there you have it. He's wrong on multiple levels. And that's fine. We're all wrong sometimes. I was wrong earlier, and I corrected myself. Let's see if Balrog0 does the same. </quote> This isn't what your post originally said, and my guess is that you realize what you originally said was silly, and have now backtracked to a more reasonable line of thought. None-the-less, the proportion of democrats to republicans is above 1. So, overall, they are more democratic than republican.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 04/12/17 2:45:31 PM #128:	Gojak_v3 posted... CanuckCowboy posted... Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad. And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation. I don't doubt they may be better educated. But there has simply never been any correlation what so ever to political ideology. In fact if anything it's the opposite as the left comes up with just the dumbest shit. Who said I have an explanation? Who says there is one? How is voting for Obama a second time half as idiotic as voting for trump once? Also lol bias. --- "Wear my feelins on my sleeveless my weed seedless my trees leafless I miss my diagonal grilled cheeses n back when Mike Jackson was still Jesus." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:877061381] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Because while it's not true of all right wingers the poor uneducated shrubs are way more likely to support the republicans. Which is and will always be both hilarious and sad.</quote> And what explains the idiots that votes obama twice? Thinking socialism is a good idea? And any number of other dumb ass ideas on the left? Like I said show me the correlation. I don't doubt they may be better educated. But there has simply never been any correlation what so ever to political ideology. In fact if anything it's the opposite as the left comes up with just the dumbest shit.</quote> Who said I have an explanation? Who says there is one? How is voting for Obama a second time half as idiotic as voting for trump once? Also lol bias.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gojak_v3 04/12/17 2:48:16 PM #129:	CanuckCowboy posted... Who says there is one? Have you not seen the dick stroking in this topic? CanuckCowboy posted... How is voting for Obama a second time half as idiotic as voting for trump once? How does than make voting for obama twice not stupid? CanuckCowboy posted... Also lol bias. Right back at you. --- http://i.imgtc.com/rIZcfGBEt8.png <cite>Gojak_v3 posted [p:877061564] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Who says there is one?</quote> Have you not seen the dick stroking in this topic? <cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>How is voting for Obama a second time half as idiotic as voting for trump once?</quote> How does than make voting for obama twice not stupid? <cite>CanuckCowboy posted...</cite> <quote>Also lol bias.</quote> Right back at you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoopMcgee420 04/12/17 2:49:25 PM #130:	lilORANG posted... Smart people are liberal Lmfao hahahahahaha --- "Larry Brown has never won a championship." - bond21 Trump is my president. <cite>PoopMcgee420 posted [p:877061635] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>Smart people are liberal</quote> Lmfao hahahahahaha</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rictor_91 04/12/17 2:49:29 PM #131:	Shopaholic163 posted... DemonBuffet posted... Zanzenburger posted... COVxy posted... My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness. This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies. Very well put. <cite>Rictor_91 posted [p:877061640] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shopaholic163 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DemonBuffet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that the openness required to enter any form of extended volitional education jives more with liberal policies than conservatism, which at it's nature is about close-mindedness.</quote> This. Conservative policies are, generally, based on traditionalist views passed down through generations. Deep-rooted societal beliefs like Christianity, the American Dream, and gun ownership are traditional American views. In college, students are exposed to different viewpoints, either through class discussion or relationships with peers. Suddenly, strange concepts like lgbt students, different religions, and alternatove lifestyles don't seem so scary anymore, because you meet actual people with those beliefs and they seem pretty normal and just like you. It is no coincidence that the conservatives championing for gay rights, for example, generall have a gay person in their life they care about. College is the most likely point in your life where you will meet these new people and ideas. Plus, most college courses are designed to enhance your critical thinking and be open to new ideas, which generally fuel liberal/progressive ideologies.</quote> Very well put.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zanzenburger 04/12/17 2:52:32 PM #132:	Gojak_v3 posted... That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media. --- Congratulations! Your post was deemed response-worthy. <cite>Zanzenburger posted [p:877061866] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. </quote> I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rictor_91 04/12/17 2:54:58 PM #134:	Zanzenburger posted... Gojak_v3 posted... That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls*** argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media. applauds <cite>Rictor_91 posted [p:877062015] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls*** argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. </quote> I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media.</quote> applauds</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 2:55:27 PM #135:	fenderbender321 posted... If by backpedal you mean correct myself to retain credibility, then yes, I backpedalled. I do that because I'm an honest person to debate. But at least I did that. You have yet to admit you're wrong, even though you just proved that your comment was wrong with your own source. I consider people who reliably vote democrat to be democratic voters despite not labeling themselves as such, which is why I said that more economists must lean Democrat than Republican when I posted the stats about Kerry voters vs Bush voters and specifically noted that I was conflating two separate groups (economists vs entire business college) while doing it I was already pretty careful in what I said, if you're really waiting for me to take back the statement "most economists are democrats, hombre" then I guess I will, but I'm not trying to quibble over semantics --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877062045] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>If by backpedal you mean correct myself to retain credibility, then yes, I backpedalled. I do that because I'm an honest person to debate. But at least I did that. You have yet to admit you're wrong, even though you just proved that your comment was wrong with your own source.</quote> I consider people who reliably vote democrat to be democratic voters despite not labeling themselves as such, which is why I said that more economists must lean Democrat than Republican when I posted the stats about Kerry voters vs Bush voters and specifically noted that I was conflating two separate groups (economists vs entire business college) while doing it I was already pretty careful in what I said, if you're really waiting for me to take back the statement "most economists are democrats, hombre" then I guess I will, but I'm not trying to quibble over semantics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/12/17 2:55:48 PM #136:	fenderbender321 posted... I'm not backtracking at all. I simply detailed the intent and rationale behind the post you thought was hilarious, so that you could better understand it. I'm not saying anything different at all. If he claimed that economists are mostly democrats, and there's 3 categories on his source (RDI), then he only gets to isolate the D amount, which is only 34%. Since I didn't claim that economists were any one of those 3, I can take the other 2 and add them together...and if those 2 added together make up "most economists", then that automatically proves him wrong. That was all my intent was. By the same logic most economists are also either Democrat or Independent. Or either Republican or Democrat. Do you not see the flaw in that statement? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877062074] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not backtracking at all. I simply detailed the intent and rationale behind the post you thought was hilarious, so that you could better understand it. I'm not saying anything different at all. If he claimed that economists are mostly democrats, and there's 3 categories on his source (RDI), then he only gets to isolate the D amount, which is only 34%. Since I didn't claim that economists were any one of those 3, I can take the other 2 and add them together...and if those 2 added together make up "most economists", then that automatically proves him wrong. That was all my intent was. </quote> By the same logic most economists are also either Democrat or Independent. Or either Republican or Democrat. Do you not see the flaw in that statement?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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COVxy 04/12/17 2:59:22 PM #138:	fenderbender321 posted... You're exactly right! But guess what...Balrog0 didn't say most economists are Democrat & Independent. He said most economists are Democrats. So he does not get to lump in another category. Since I was only arguing against that claim, and not arguing that most economists are Republican, I can add the other 2 categories up...and if it equals more than 50%, I can make a factual statement that proves why he was wrong, which I did. It's a moronic argument that demonstrates nothing and avoids the true point. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:877062341] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You're exactly right! But guess what...Balrog0 didn't say most economists are Democrat & Independent. He said most economists are Democrats. So he does not get to lump in another category. Since I was only arguing against that claim, and not arguing that most economists are Republican, I can add the other 2 categories up...and if it equals more than 50%, I can make a factual statement that proves why he was wrong, which I did. </quote> It's a moronic argument that demonstrates nothing and avoids the true point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 3:00:10 PM #139:	fenderbender321 posted... You're exactly right! But guess what...Balrog0 didn't say most economists are Democrat & Independent. He said most economists are Democrats. So he does not get to lump in another category. Since I was only arguing against that claim, and not arguing that most economists are Republican, I can add the other 2 categories up...and if it equals more than 50%, I can make a factual statement that proves why he was wrong, which I did. Who cares? I addressed the content of your retort before you made it. The idea that someone can be reliably democratic without registering for the party isn't some kind of rocket science, and that's why I posted the information that I did when I did. --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877062392] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>You're exactly right! But guess what...Balrog0 didn't say most economists are Democrat & Independent. He said most economists are Democrats. So he does not get to lump in another category. Since I was only arguing against that claim, and not arguing that most economists are Republican, I can add the other 2 categories up...and if it equals more than 50%, I can make a factual statement that proves why he was wrong, which I did.</quote> Who cares? I addressed the content of your retort before you made it. The idea that someone can be reliably democratic without registering for the party isn't some kind of rocket science, and that's why I posted the information that I did when I did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 04/12/17 3:09:11 PM #140:	It is a fair point that we were talking about different groups, though. I'm less sure about undergraduate students, but I assume they reflect more or less the professors which could be wrong. http://www.panettainstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/Hart-2012-complete-report.pdf according to this business majors were more likely to vote for Obama than McCain or Romney, at least --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:877062968] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>It is a fair point that we were talking about different groups, though. I'm less sure about undergraduate students, but I assume they reflect more or less the professors which could be wrong. http://www.panettainstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/Hart-2012-complete-report.pdf according to this business majors were more likely to vote for Obama than McCain or Romney, at least</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 04/12/17 3:12:54 PM #141:	Zanzenburger posted... Gojak_v3 posted... That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media. This, folks, is how debating is done. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Indomitable Blade/Shout/Eblan Doppelganger <cite>bover_87 posted [p:877063198] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. </quote> I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media.</quote> This, folks, is how debating is done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broseph_Stalin 04/12/17 3:22:09 PM #143:	Your political ideology is based mostly on your thought process. Conservatives rely more on emotion and gut feelings. They're more likely to believe they already know everything they need to know ("college is a waste of money") and are distrustful of anything that challenges conventional wisdom ("people in college are brainwashed"). Liberals are generally more skeptical and less likely to develop an opinion without looking at the subject objectively. They consider education and an environment where you're exposed to different viewpoints as an important part of becoming a smarter person. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:877063786] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Your political ideology is based mostly on your thought process. Conservatives rely more on emotion and gut feelings. They're more likely to believe they already know everything they need to know ("college is a waste of money") and are distrustful of anything that challenges conventional wisdom ("people in college are brainwashed"). Liberals are generally more skeptical and less likely to develop an opinion without looking at the subject objectively. They consider education and an environment where you're exposed to different viewpoints as an important part of becoming a smarter person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedZaraki 04/12/17 3:42:09 PM #144:	PoopMcgee420 posted... lilORANG posted... Smart people are liberal Lmfao hahahahahaha You're easily amused too. <cite>RedZaraki posted [p:877065144] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>PoopMcgee420 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>Smart people are liberal</quote> Lmfao hahahahahaha</quote> You're easily amused too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 04/12/17 3:44:20 PM #145:	gunplagirl posted... Because science and facts have a liberal leaning there are 50 genders --- http://i.imgur.com/vvAoIk0.gif <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:877065289] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>Because science and facts have a liberal leaning</quote> there are 50 genders</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 04/12/17 3:44:59 PM #146:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Conservatives rely more on emotion and gut feelings. lol that's rich considering liberals are all about emotion --- http://i.imgur.com/vvAoIk0.gif <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:877065329] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives rely more on emotion and gut feelings.</quote> lol that's rich considering liberals are all about emotion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 04/12/17 5:10:59 PM #147:	Haven't you all considered the fact that every single one of you have your own ideology that you all don't care to admit? It is so easy to pick on College Students, but have you all looked in the mirror lately? --- It's not stupidity, it's something much worse. It's... the GameSpot comment section!-Stebsis Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:877070892] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Haven't you all considered the fact that every single one of you have your own ideology that you all don't care to admit? It is so easy to pick on College Students, but have you all looked in the mirror lately?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guardian-Sloth 04/12/17 5:13:06 PM #148:	Because liberal politicians grant them scholarships and grants and they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them? <cite>Guardian-Sloth posted [p:877071043] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote>Because liberal politicians grant them scholarships and grants and they don't want to bite the hand that feeds them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZannoL 04/12/17 5:23:07 PM #149:	bover_87 posted... Zanzenburger posted... Gojak_v3 posted... That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media. This, folks, is how debating is done. <cite>ZannoL posted [p:877071669] in People who... [t:75228654]...</cite> <quote><cite>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zanzenburger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Gojak_v3 posted...</cite> <quote>That's actually garbage. And I don't mind this guy most of the time. His argument is, "Them close minded conservatives." Which is a mostly bulls* argument. You can find any number of intellectual conservatives if you didn't want to bury yer head in bias. Likewise you can find any number of brain dead liberals. Plus the bolded part is simply flat out wrong. Critical thinking as it comes to academic education has nothing to do with political ideology, because it's just that an ideology. </quote> I am willing to hear your side. My assertion is that conservative ideologies are based on tradition, whereas liberal ideologies are generally new and change the status quo. Are you willing to challenge that assertion? Take a look at the most pressing liberal talking points: increased lgbt rights, free college, free/single payer healthcare, increased gun control, increased/new social programs, etc. Whereas conservative talking points are generally to either keep things as they are, or change them back to the way they used to be. My argument is that going to college exposes people to new ideas at such a constant rate, that it transfers over to other areas of life, so yes, academic critical thinking does, indeed, influence political ideology. It's not that this is what colleges are intending, but once a person begins to explore new ideas and ways of seeing a problem, they become more comfortable with looking at new solutions. As someone with a conservative family who lives in a red state in one of the reddest towns in the red state, I struggle to get them to see things from a different perspective. And yet, even those who go to college and remain conservative, are still more open to alternative solutions. The students in our Young Conservatives organization, for example, are strictly against ACA and abortion, but yet champion for gay rights (including marriage), trans rights, and separation of church and state. Because they go to class every day with students who are Muslim, who are gay, who are trans, and they see what these issues do to them. Putting a face to the issue does a lot to change people's minds. It's much harder to care about a gay person's rights if there aren't any for miles (that you know of) and your only understanding of them is what you see in the media.</quote> This, folks, is how debating is done.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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