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Darmik
04/09/17 9:13:25 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
The worst part of it is...

The younger generation is going to love it and there's nothing you or your childhood memories can do about it.


Does it matter? We're not the audience for this stuff anymore.
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 9:22:10 PM
#52:


Darmik posted...
Does it matter? We're not the audience for this stuff anymore.


Kinda does, kinda doesn't.

I'll be honest, I was never the biggest Scooby Doo fan. I liked the show for the monsters and was disappointed that they weren't real. As a fan of Scooby Doo, I can't exactly say that my cherished memories have been dashed on the ground.

But in a general sense, yeah, I hate radical changes to the source material. I mean, it's okay to do a weird offshoot that's self-contained. But when you take extreme artistic liberties with the source material, and you present that as the central version of the story that everyone should accept as this generation's take on the story, I think that's disrespectful to the artistic vision of the original authors.

I'd hate to see somebody do the same thing with something that I had created.
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Darmik
04/09/17 9:28:16 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
I'll be honest, I was never the biggest Scooby Doo fan. I liked the show for the monsters and was disappointed that they weren't real. As a fan of Scooby Doo, I can't exactly say that my cherished memories have been dashed on the ground.

But in a general sense, yeah, I hate radical changes to the source material. I mean, it's okay to do a weird offshoot that's self-contained. But when you take extreme artistic liberties with the source material, and you present that as the central version of the story that everyone should accept as this generation's take on the story, I think that's disrespectful to the artistic vision of the original authors.

I'd hate to see somebody do the same thing with something that I had created.


This is exactly what Scrappy-Doo was. The show was falling with ratings to they added Scrappy-Doo for kids, focused the show around him and made the monsters real. Was that disrespectful to the artists original vision too?

Because this stuff has been happening since forever. It's happened to most of the stuff this board liked as kids already.
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TheoryzC
04/09/17 9:34:11 PM
#55:


Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
Does it matter? We're not the audience for this stuff anymore.


Kinda does, kinda doesn't.

I'll be honest, I was never the biggest Scooby Doo fan. I liked the show for the monsters and was disappointed that they weren't real. As a fan of Scooby Doo, I can't exactly say that my cherished memories have been dashed on the ground.

But in a general sense, yeah, I hate radical changes to the source material. I mean, it's okay to do a weird offshoot that's self-contained. But when you take extreme artistic liberties with the source material, and you present that as the central version of the story that everyone should accept as this generation's take on the story, I think that's disrespectful to the artistic vision of the original authors.

I'd hate to see somebody do the same thing with something that I had created.

You're gonna have to let this sorta thinking go, dude
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Darmik
04/09/17 9:39:10 PM
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I loved The Mask as a kid. I loved both the movie and the cartoon.

But it was a horrible adaptation of a violent comic book. I'm sure there are some Mask fans out there that hate the idea that I liked it. But at the end of the day it was designed for me and it worked. Son of Mask was a crap sequel but being faithful to the source material wasn't the problem with that movie.

These properties need to adapt and survive. Hanna-Barbera cartoons are from like half a century ago now. If you don't like the new stuff they still play the older cartoons on Boomerang.
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hyperpsycho
04/09/17 9:40:48 PM
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Are the Mike Tyson Mystery Team part of the Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe?
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JlM
04/09/17 9:41:25 PM
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While I hate all things Hannah Barbara, Wacky Races could be kinda dope.
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GOATSLAYER
04/09/17 9:44:24 PM
#59:


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Are the Mike Tyson Mystery Team part of the Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe?

No. I love that show though
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 9:50:48 PM
#60:


Darmik posted...
This is exactly what Scrappy-Doo was. The show was falling with ratings to they added Scrappy-Doo for kids, focused the show around him and made the monsters real. Was that disrespectful to the artists original vision too?

Because this stuff has been happening since forever. It's happened to most of the stuff this board liked as kids already.


Adding a new character isn't the same as making Scooby Doo a lab experiment. If Batman gets a new sidekick, he gets a new sidekick. If he's revealed to be descended from a vampire, that radically changes who and what he is.
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Darmik
04/09/17 9:51:45 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
This is exactly what Scrappy-Doo was. The show was falling with ratings to they added Scrappy-Doo for kids, focused the show around him and made the monsters real. Was that disrespectful to the artists original vision too?

Because this stuff has been happening since forever. It's happened to most of the stuff this board liked as kids already.


Adding a new character isn't the same as making Scooby Doo a lab experiment. If Batman gets a new sidekick, he gets a new sidekick. If he's revealed to be descended from a vampire, that radically changes who and what he is.


Making monsters real already radically changed the concept.

This happened nearly 30 years ago.
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 9:56:31 PM
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Darmik posted...
Making monsters real already radically changed the concept.

This happened nearly 30 years ago.


Eh, I'd say that's more a removal of censorship. It's actually a variation of the standard Hollywood reveal of the 20s, 30s, and 40s where anything supernatural would be explained away as hoax. That, in turn, was done so as not to offend religious sensibilities at the time.

I get your point though. Whatever inspired it, it was a tradition for the show.
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Darmik
04/09/17 10:00:20 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
Making monsters real already radically changed the concept.

This happened nearly 30 years ago.


Eh, I'd say that's more a removal of censorship. It's actually a variation of the standard Hollywood reveal of the 20s, 30s, and 40s where anything supernatural would be explained away as hoax. That, in turn, was done so as not to offend religious sensibilities at the time.

I get your point though. Whatever inspired it, it was a tradition for the show.


Either way it's nothing new.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were completely changed to appeal to modern kids
Then you had stuff like making baby versions of established characters to appeal to kids
Then there was the whole 'lets take this cartoon and make it live action!'
Now the thing is cinematic universes and origin stories.

Scooby-Doo is still pretty popular with kids anyway. I think the modern show is pretty good and I don't think it overly changed anything as far as I know.
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GOATSLAYER
04/09/17 10:03:59 PM
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The only good Scooby Doo show was Mystery Incorporated. And at the end of the series the big bad guy was a real monster
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littlebro07
04/09/17 10:07:46 PM
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Scooby-Doo is a "smart dog" prototype, who is able to talk like a human being, thanks to a chip that was implanted in his cerebral cortex. This enables him to communicate with others, either by words or through the use of a pair of emoji-goggles.

The new HB projects sound fantastic! I don't know what everyone is so afraid of? Personally I look forward to Dax Shepard writing and directing a movie about a lab rat dog with emoji glasses.


Wait what the fuck this isn't serious is it
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SwordMaster13X
04/09/17 10:20:25 PM
#66:


JlM posted...
While I hate all things Hannah Barbara, Wacky Races could be kinda dope.


Yea instead of doing Scooby Doo all over again for the twentieth time, there should be more energy focus on Wacky Races because it's an interesting concept and the whole Wacky Races theme has been done to death.
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 10:23:24 PM
#67:


Darmik posted...
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were completely changed to appeal to modern kids


They were changed to appeal to kids in the first place. The original comics were a gritty spoof of Frank Miller comics. I think one of the creators in particular loathed the changes the cartoon made to the source material.

So, yeah. I guess I do kinda have to feel a bit guilty in that one of my cherished childhood shows was the desecration of someone else's inspired dream. But, I also feel like some irreversible changes had been made. Attempts to make the Turtles grittier or more serious have always more or less run into opposition from fans of the '87 cartoon and the inevitable nostalgia for the series. Whether it's Michael Bay or the Nickelodeon cartoon, they always disregard the original comics in favor of taking inspiration from the cartoon.

Honestly, a lot of the things I liked at various stages in my life bore little or no relation to the source material. Universal's Dracula and Frankenstein in particular had almost nothing in common with the novels those stories originated from.


It's something that happens all the time. Inevitably, it leads to a product which many would enjoy more than the original. But still, I can't say that I support gutting and repacking a story to make it something it wasn't. If I wrote a story about a knight, I wouldn't want somebody turning them into a pirate. If I set a story in the Middle East in some fictional time period that never truly existed, I wouldn't want someone relocating it to a colonized Mars of the future where society has rebuilt itself from scratch after the mother of all wars.

I hate to see that done to someone else's stories because I'd hate seeing it done to something I'd written if I were in the author's shoes.
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Darmik
04/09/17 10:29:57 PM
#68:


Skye Reynolds posted...
It's something that happens all the time. Inevitably, it leads to a product which many would enjoy more than the original. But still, I can't say that I support gutting and repacking a story to make it something it wasn't. If I wrote a story about a knight, I wouldn't want somebody turning them into a pirate. If I set a story in the Middle East in some fictional time period that never truly existed, I wouldn't want someone relocating it to a colonized Mars of the future where society has rebuilt itself from scratch after the mother of all wars.


That's why you need to let this sort of stuff go. If these things end up being popular with kids like TMNT did with us then they did the right thing. This goes all the way back to Disney movies as well.

Our childhood doesn't take priority over what can be done with existing properties. Otherwise we'd never see stuff like Jim Carrey's The Mask, TMNT or classic Disney movies. Reinterpreting stories in a new way can work out well. Changing things isn't inherently bad. That doesn't mean all changes are good though. But it's just the way things are. The longer a franchise has stuck around the more it has changed over the years. It's just how it is.

If we were still the target audience then yeah sure appeal to nostalgia. But we're probably not.
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Returning_CEmen
04/09/17 10:32:11 PM
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No more shared universes.
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 10:39:56 PM
#70:


Darmik posted...
Our childhood doesn't take priority over what can be done with existing properties.


I admitted in the case of Ninja Turtles that my childhood was the radical departure from what the author had intended. It doesn't mean that I approve of the concept of taking extreme liberties with a story.
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Returning_CEmen
04/09/17 10:49:15 PM
#71:


Darmik posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
Darmik posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
I never understood the hate for Scrappy. When I was a kid, I considered him my favorite character.


I didn't know Scrappy hate was a thing until TV Tropes.

The internet has an amazing ability to take something minor and turn it into The Worst Thing Ever%u2122.


Nah he was hated. A lot of characters like him (a new 'trendy' fad-like character inserted into an established show to try and make it popular again) were hated. It was pretty common in the 80's IIRC.

Is that why The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochy Show never caught on?


Heh yep. That episode was totally a spoof of characters like Scrappy.

IIRC Married with Children had a similar dweeb people didn't like.

And Cousin Oliver on The Brady Bunch.

Roy on The Simpsons was also a stab at this.
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Solar_Crimson
04/09/17 10:59:39 PM
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Just how many properties are going to get in on this shared universe thing?
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ChromaticAngel
04/09/17 11:12:44 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Just how many properties are going to get in on this shared universe thing?

Future Apocalypse shared universe!

Terminator + Mad Max + Hunger Games
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 11:17:15 PM
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How many shared universes are there currently?

King Kong and Godzilla have one
DC has one
Marvel has one

Universal is getting one, but the first film isn't out yet. Hanna-Barbera is now allegedly getting one. I wouldn't exactly say that's overkill.
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Darmik
04/09/17 11:24:56 PM
#75:


Skye Reynolds posted...
How many shared universes are there currently?

King Kong and Godzilla have one
DC has one
Marvel has one

Universal is getting one, but the first film isn't out yet. Hanna-Barbera is now allegedly getting one. I wouldn't exactly say that's overkill.


The Conjuring has both Annabelle and The Nun in its universe.

Alien/Predator/Prometheus sorta counts. I suppose these days it's more like Alien and Prometheus though.
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pikachupwnage
04/09/17 11:25:59 PM
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We need a cinematic universe for all these cinematic universes.
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Skye Reynolds
04/09/17 11:28:15 PM
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I'd forgotten about that. Doesn't the Blu-Ray release of Prometheus also have a bonus feature of some sorts tying it into Blade Runner as well?
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TheoryzC
04/09/17 11:47:37 PM
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I gotta read those one of these days
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Damn_Underscore
04/10/17 12:00:56 AM
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lmao is that real

shaggy is a hipster now >_>
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Skye Reynolds
04/10/17 12:01:46 AM
#83:


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Wait, that was real? I thought that was a spoof.

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04/10/17 12:03:54 AM
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Skye Reynolds
04/10/17 12:06:54 AM
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What age range are they aiming for? I could see teens going for a Johnny Quest or an edgy Scooby Doo, but how do you make Flintstones work out in this thing?
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hyperpsycho
04/10/17 12:10:36 AM
#86:


Skye Reynolds posted...
What age range are they aiming for? I could see teens going for a Johnny Quest or an edgy Scooby Doo, but how do you make Flintstones work out in this thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB1M5_ph-Jg

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TheoryzC
04/10/17 12:17:19 AM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
What age range are they aiming for? I could see teens going for a Johnny Quest or an edgy Scooby Doo, but how do you make Flintstones work out in this thing?

http://www.vox.com/culture/2017/3/22/15000062/flintstones-comic-interview-russell-pugh

But they also write these too
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Skye Reynolds
04/10/17 12:30:02 AM
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Yeah. I guess it's not hard to imagine Flintstones when you think of the ways they could modernize it. The dinosaurs get Minion-ified to appeal to teenage girls. Betty and Wilma are hot. Fred and Barney are younger, thinner, sleeker. If they need some kind of excuse for Scooby being able to talk, maybe Bedrock will be home to some sacred stone which has resurrected fallen dinosaurs. Or maybe they'll be aliens and the Great Gazoo will have brought them to Earth.
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Darmik
04/10/17 12:33:02 AM
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Apocalyptic Flintstones is easy. They live with dinosaurs after all.
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Skye Reynolds
04/10/17 6:11:23 PM
#91:


Darmik posted...
Apocalyptic Flintstones is easy. They live with dinosaurs after all.


So, Flintstones and Jetsons are the same time period now? The poor live on the ground among the dinosaurs, the wealthy live in floating cities?
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Ivynn
04/10/17 8:03:16 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Darmik posted...
Apocalyptic Flintstones is easy. They live with dinosaurs after all.


So, Flintstones and Jetsons are the same time period now? The poor live on the ground among the dinosaurs, the wealthy live in floating cities?


That's actually a common theory lol
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gamester_12345
04/10/17 8:23:46 PM
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S.C.O.O.B, then Captain Caveman (via stinger), Dynomutt, Flintstones then Wacky Races. Captain Caveman lives among the flintstones as a low tier worker but had to avert the Ice Age at least once either having to save Captain Caveman Jr or to plug up the dam. Captain Caveman winds up cryogenically preserved and thawed out in the 70's by the Teen Angels.


Dynomutt turns out to be a dog riddled with cancer and Blue Falcon has to preserve him until the technology is developed, hearing about the Captain Caveman discovery, he attempts to freeze his dog. the first few times were successful, but this was before the clones degenerated and had to be put down due to prehistoric germs. he eventually moved to Robotics and attempted to transfer his mind into the Dynomutt body. one of the previous clone-cyborg prototypes automatically starts off blank with only vague memories being retained.

Wacky Races would be set sometime during the late 50's/early 60's. nothing much. except for Captain Caveman Jr survived and became the forefather of a breed of cryptid that the Slag Brothers are a part of (they're in friendly terms with the Gruesome Twosome, due to being strange). Patent Pending probably was one of the head scientists in charge with discovering (but not seeing) Captain Caveman before he escaped.


By the time they get to the Jetsons, they will have jumped the shark, now having their own equivalent to the Guardians of the Galaxy. maybe have a S.C.O.O.B 2 where they team up with Captain Caveman/Teen Angels and discover the ruins of Bedrock where CC suddenly has a fit of PTSD+humanizing moments.


Maybe they can slot in the Ant Hill Mob with Top Cat or something.
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