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Claude_Frollo 04/09/17 5:17:39 PM #1:	Color me surprised. Not that I particularly care about either. What we really need is a Frollo-centric Hunchback remake. Sort of like what they did with Maleficent. --- "Look man, no matter how much you kiss up to me, I'm not gonna indulge in your fetish" - DorkLink, the best poster on GameFAQs <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876867261] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Color me surprised. Not that I particularly care about either. What we really need is a Frollo-centric Hunchback remake. Sort of like what they did with Maleficent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DesertPenguin09 04/09/17 5:20:08 PM #2:	Or an original story, that might work... --- All you need is a modest house in a modest neighborhood <cite>DesertPenguin09 posted [p:876867396] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Or an original story, that might work...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/09/17 5:20:31 PM #3:	NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!! Granted, Mulan is probably easier to do. Claude_Frollo posted... Not that I particularly care about either. What we really need is a Frollo-centric Hunchback remake. Sort of like what they did with Maleficent. Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876867420] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!! Granted, Mulan is probably easier to do. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Not that I particularly care about either. What we really need is a Frollo-centric Hunchback remake. Sort of like what they did with Maleficent.</quote> Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkynyrdRocker 04/09/17 5:25:31 PM #4:	DesertPenguin09 posted... Or an original story, that might work... God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb. <cite>SkynyrdRocker posted [p:876867701] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>DesertPenguin09 posted...</cite> <quote>Or an original story, that might work...</quote> God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/09/17 5:29:56 PM #5:	Zeus posted... Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film. Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one. But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric. Hook already got a movie, and while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation. --- "Look man, no matter how much you kiss up to me, I'm not gonna indulge in your fetish" - DorkLink, the best poster on GameFAQs <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876867921] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film.</quote> Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one. But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric. Hook already got a movie, and while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runner_style 04/09/17 5:58:59 PM #6:	SkynyrdRocker posted... DesertPenguin09 posted... Or an original story, that might work... God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb. Because of you I hear they're doing a live action remake of Toy Story with Adam Sandler playing the part of Woody! --- It's time gamers grew up instead of being pissy 5 year olds fighting over the most asinine things. <cite>Runner_style posted [p:876869479] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>SkynyrdRocker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DesertPenguin09 posted...</cite> <quote>Or an original story, that might work...</quote> God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb.</quote> Because of you I hear they're doing a live action remake of Toy Story with Adam Sandler playing the part of Woody!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/09/17 6:27:40 PM #7:	SkynyrdRocker posted... DesertPenguin09 posted... Or an original story, that might work... God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb. I'm okay with remakes, so long as they keep what works and improve upon weaknesses of the first film. The problem is that we haven't really gotten one that does that yet. Instead we get Beauty and the Beast, a shot-for-shot live-action remake without any of the charm of the original. I'm fine if they keep the same story and characters, they just need to improve upon it. For instance, they could make an antagnoist who ISN'T quite possibly the most forgettable DIsney villain of all time. --- "Look man, no matter how much you kiss up to me, I'm not gonna indulge in your fetish" - DorkLink, the best poster on GameFAQs <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876871116] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>SkynyrdRocker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DesertPenguin09 posted...</cite> <quote>Or an original story, that might work...</quote> God please this. These remakes of animated movies are so dumb.</quote> I'm okay with remakes, so long as they keep what works and improve upon weaknesses of the first film. The problem is that we haven't really gotten one that does that yet. Instead we get Beauty and the Beast, a shot-for-shot live-action remake without any of the charm of the original. I'm fine if they keep the same story and characters, they just need to improve upon it. For instance, they could make an antagnoist who ISN'T quite possibly the most forgettable DIsney villain of all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 04/09/17 6:33:30 PM #8:	Claude_Frollo posted... Zeus posted... Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film. Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one. But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric. Hook already got a movie, and while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation. God you suck --- I find myself identifying strongly with Hitler - Blighboy <cite>Smarkil posted [p:876871425] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Except nobody gives a hit about Frollo. And, in the hierarchy of Disney villains, we're more likely to see an Ursula or Hook film.</quote> Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one. But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric. Hook already got a movie, and while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation.</quote> God you suck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 04/09/17 6:33:49 PM #9:	Doesn't surprise me. I hear they are also doing a live action Lion King film and Aladdin. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:876871436] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't surprise me. I hear they are also doing a live action Lion King film and Aladdin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/09/17 6:36:12 PM #10:	wwinterj25 posted... Doesn't surprise me. I hear they are also doing a live action Lion King film and Aladdin. Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet. --- "Look man, no matter how much you kiss up to me, I'm not gonna indulge in your fetish" - DorkLink, the best poster on GameFAQs <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876871571] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote>Doesn't surprise me. I hear they are also doing a live action Lion King film and Aladdin.</quote> Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wwinterj25 04/09/17 6:44:18 PM #11:	Claude_Frollo posted... Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet. I don't see myself watching any of them regardless. --- One who knows nothing can understand nothing. http://psnprofiles.com/wwinterj - http://i.imgur.com/kDysIcd.gif <cite>wwinterj25 posted [p:876872021] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet.</quote> I don't see myself watching any of them regardless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/09/17 9:34:41 PM #12:	Claude_Frollo posted... Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one. Then why try to refer to it as hyperbole? Claude_Frollo posted... But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. No, it's because people just don't find him interesting. And the film itself would have bigger if he had been a more compelling villain. After all, Scar is a large part of the Lion King's success. Claude_Frollo posted... I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric. Given Frollo's half of the story is dull, I can't imagine any rational executive taking that risk. And he's not a particularly identifiable character. With Scar, there's sibling rivalry, a desire for power, etc. Maleficent feels wronged and, in the retconned movie, had been suffered at the hands of the others. Captain Hook has a lot of symbolism in his antagonism with the crocodile. Frollo, by contrast, is basically just an animated version of Hitler -- he feels that an ethnicity is subhuman and wants to commit genocide (and, by no coincidence, the ethnicity he targets is one of the same groups targeted by Hitler) -- and it's hard to make a really sympathetic Hitler because no matter what kind of a backstory you give him, he's still a fucking monster and nothing justifies trying to wipe out an entire people. Claude_Frollo posted... Hook already got a movie, No? Unless I missed something. If you're referring to the film Hook, you've clearly never seen it because that was really about Peter Pan again. Claude_Frollo posted... while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. Which is head-banging irony because Frollo is the maybe the fifth or sixth most popular character in Hunchback and that includes being behind the goddamn goat. Claude_Frollo posted... Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation. Again, Frollo isn't even as popular as the goat. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876881685] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Looking past your rampant hyperbole, I suppose your sentiment of Frollo not being one of the more iconic Disney villains is a valid one.</quote> Then why try to refer to it as hyperbole? <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote> But that's more because the film he's from isn't one of the more iconic Disney films. Frollo himself easily stands out more than any other character in Hunchback, and has more screentime than any other Disney villain. </quote> No, it's because people just don't find him interesting. And the film itself would have bigger if he had been a more compelling villain. After all, Scar is a large part of the Lion King's success. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>I think that if they were going to make a remake of Hunchback anyway(which, let's face it, will happen EVENTUALLY, though it'll probably be later rather than sooner), it would make sense to go with a Frollo-centric movie, especially seeing how the original was already pretty Frollo-centric.</quote> Given Frollo's half of the story is dull, I can't imagine any rational executive taking that risk. And he's not a particularly identifiable character. With Scar, there's sibling rivalry, a desire for power, etc. Maleficent feels wronged and, in the retconned movie, had been suffered at the hands of the others. Captain Hook has a lot of symbolism in his antagonism with the crocodile. Frollo, by contrast, is basically just an animated version of Hitler -- he feels that an ethnicity is subhuman and wants to commit genocide (and, by no coincidence, the ethnicity he targets is one of the same groups targeted by Hitler) -- and it's hard to make a really sympathetic Hitler because no matter what kind of a backstory you give him, he's still a fucking monster and nothing justifies trying to wipe out an entire people. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Hook already got a movie, </quote> No? Unless I missed something. If you're referring to the film Hook, you've clearly never seen it because that was really about Peter Pan again. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>while Ursula is more iconic, she's not the most popular character from her film and I doubt Disney would opt for an Ursula-centric movie at the expense of Ariel. </quote> Which is head-banging irony because Frollo is the maybe the fifth or sixth most popular character in Hunchback and that includes being behind the goddamn goat. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Maleficent as a film made sense because she's the most beloved character from her movie despite being the villain; Aurora and whoever the hell the prince was don't even come close. Frollo is in a similar situation.</quote> Again, Frollo isn't even as popular as the goat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/09/17 9:50:31 PM #13:	Zeus posted... Then why try to refer to it as hyperbole? You said that nobody gives a "hit" about Frollo, which is hyperbole. You can say that he isn't as iconic as others, but to say that nobody likes him is hyperbole. Zeus posted... No, it's because people just don't find him interesting. And the film itself would have bigger if he had been a more compelling villain. After all, Scar is a large part of the Lion King's success. This is downright hilarious. Scar is such a bland villain. Frollo is arguably the most complex Disney villain that there is. A deeply religious man who is tortured by his lust for a woman that defies both his prejudice against her people, the acceptability of the two being together considering the age difference, and his belief in the necessity of maintaining purity because of his faith. All you have to do is compare Be Prepared to Hellfire and it's clear that Frollo is the far more interesting villain, whereas Scar is that kind of cartoonishly evil villain that is fun to watch, but is about as deep as a puddle. You must be trolling. Zeus posted... Given Frollo's half of the story is dull, I can't imagine any rational executive taking that risk. And he's not a particularly identifiable character. With Scar, there's sibling rivalry, a desire for power, etc. Maleficent feels wronged and, in the retconned movie, had been suffered at the hands of the others. Captain Hook has a lot of symbolism in his antagonism with the crocodile. Frollo, by contrast, is basically just an animated version of Hitler -- he feels that an ethnicity is subhuman and wants to commit genocide (and, by no coincidence, the ethnicity he targets is one of the same groups targeted by Hitler) -- and it's hard to make a really sympathetic Hitler because no matter what kind of a backstory you give him, he's still a f*ing monster and nothing justifies trying to wipe out an entire people. Uh, Frollo's "half" of the story is generally considered to be the upside of the film, with the downside being shit like the Gargoyles and Quasimodo singing a goofy song about romance while Frollo is burning down all of Paris. And Frollo is very much an identifiable character, especially considering the original iteration of the character in the novel. Frollo was a more likable character in the novel, having been corrupted by his lust for Esmerelda. Just as Maleficent humanized the titular character, they could go down a similar route with Frollo and add some relatability to him. Go read the damn novel if you haven't. Zeus posted... No? Unless I missed something. If you're referring to the film Hook, you've clearly never seen it because that was really about Peter Pan again. I haven't seen it in years, so maybe you're right. Zeus posted... Which is head-banging irony because Frollo is the maybe the fifth or sixth most popular character in Hunchback and that includes being behind the goddamn goat. Trolling confirmed. Zeus posted... Again, Frollo isn't even as popular as the goat. Trolling double-confirmed. --- "Look man, no matter how much you kiss up to me, I'm not gonna indulge in your fetish" - DorkLink, the best poster on GameFAQs <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876882675] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Then why try to refer to it as hyperbole? </quote> You said that nobody gives a "hit" about Frollo, which is hyperbole. You can say that he isn't as iconic as others, but to say that nobody likes him is hyperbole. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's because people just don't find him interesting. And the film itself would have bigger if he had been a more compelling villain. After all, Scar is a large part of the Lion King's success.</quote> This is downright hilarious. Scar is such a bland villain. Frollo is arguably the most complex Disney villain that there is. A deeply religious man who is tortured by his lust for a woman that defies both his prejudice against her people, the acceptability of the two being together considering the age difference, and his belief in the necessity of maintaining purity because of his faith. All you have to do is compare Be Prepared to Hellfire and it's clear that Frollo is the far more interesting villain, whereas Scar is that kind of cartoonishly evil villain that is fun to watch, but is about as deep as a puddle. You must be trolling. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Given Frollo's half of the story is dull, I can't imagine any rational executive taking that risk. And he's not a particularly identifiable character. With Scar, there's sibling rivalry, a desire for power, etc. Maleficent feels wronged and, in the retconned movie, had been suffered at the hands of the others. Captain Hook has a lot of symbolism in his antagonism with the crocodile. Frollo, by contrast, is basically just an animated version of Hitler -- he feels that an ethnicity is subhuman and wants to commit genocide (and, by no coincidence, the ethnicity he targets is one of the same groups targeted by Hitler) -- and it's hard to make a really sympathetic Hitler because no matter what kind of a backstory you give him, he's still a f*ing monster and nothing justifies trying to wipe out an entire people.</quote> Uh, Frollo's "half" of the story is generally considered to be the upside of the film, with the downside being shit like the Gargoyles and Quasimodo singing a goofy song about romance while Frollo is burning down all of Paris. And Frollo is very much an identifiable character, especially considering the original iteration of the character in the novel. Frollo was a more likable character in the novel, having been corrupted by his lust for Esmerelda. Just as Maleficent humanized the titular character, they could go down a similar route with Frollo and add some relatability to him. Go read the damn novel if you haven't. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>No? Unless I missed something. If you're referring to the film Hook, you've clearly never seen it because that was really about Peter Pan again.</quote> I haven't seen it in years, so maybe you're right. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Which is head-banging irony because Frollo is the maybe the fifth or sixth most popular character in Hunchback and that includes being behind the goddamn goat. </quote> Trolling confirmed. <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Again, Frollo isn't even as popular as the goat.</quote> Trolling double-confirmed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkynyrdRocker 04/09/17 9:58:41 PM #14:	You guys have such in depth fights over such silly things. You should devote your time on this site to more productive things, like getting people to eat hard-boiled eggs on pizza. <cite>SkynyrdRocker posted [p:876883129] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>You guys have such in depth fights over such silly things. You should devote your time on this site to more productive things, like getting people to eat hard-boiled eggs on pizza.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/17 3:36:43 PM #15:	Claude_Frollo posted... You said that nobody gives a "hit" about Frollo, which is hyperbole. You can say that he isn't as iconic as others, but to say that nobody likes him is hyperbole. (Overlooking your typo) Except it's not hyperbolic,it's a common expression which everybody knows is used to gesture the extent to which nobody cares. Very few people like Frollo, certainly nowhere near enough to justify a film. The idea that you have enough people who like him to actually make the movie work is a hyperbolic exaggeration of the most deluded nature. Claude_Frollo posted... This is downright hilarious. Scar is such a bland villain. Frollo is arguably the most complex Disney villain that there is. A deeply religious man who is tortured by his lust for a woman that defies both his prejudice against her people, the acceptability of the two being together considering the age difference, and his belief in the necessity of maintaining purity because of his faith. All you have to do is compare Be Prepared to Hellfire and it's clear that Frollo is the far more interesting villain, whereas Scar is that kind of cartoonishly evil villain that is fun to watch, but is about as deep as a puddle. You must be trolling. Uh, no, there's nothing really complex about Frollo in the film. He's little more than another one of Disney's Bowsers, a villain who can't handle rejection so he tries to kidnap his love interest. Everything you discuss -- with the exception of his lust and religious devotion -- isn't present within the film itself and is just you reading into you, possibly taking cues from the book. As much as you like to comically exaggerate Frollo's traits, there's very little to promote him. He's unexceptional in motivation, many of his actions are trite, and he's not a compelling villain. Honestly, if you were to compare him to anybody, it would be Mother Gothel, who -- just like Frollo -- largely kept Tangled from being a bigger hit. Granted, Gothel has more complexity than Frollo because at least she has compassion for her young ward who she keeps prisoner. Frollo is just a sociopathic douche. And, while Frollo's emotional manipulation of Quasimodo is one of the film's highlights, Scar BTFOs Frollo because he ~~made Simba think he was responsible for his father's death and then, as an act of "kindness," encourages him to flee.~~ Scar is the far better villain and his villainy helped to make The Lion King one of the biggest animated Disney classics. Meanwhile, characters like Frollo and Gothel helped relegate their films to obscurity. Claude_Frollo posted... And Frollo is very much an identifiable character, especially considering the original iteration of the character in the novel. And that's the problem: You're looking at the novel instead of the film. Film Frollo is absurdly different from novel Frollo although, it's worth noting, novel Frollo's douchebaggery makes it even more clear that there's little depth to his character with a few of his actions. He's just a horny old goat worried about keeping his position, which makes him more more complex than any politician. Claude_Frollo posted... Trolling confirmed. Just because you don't like hearing something, doesn't make it any less true. In this case, it makes it more true because I'm trying to sail a truthboat across Denial River. (A pun that really only works in speech, but fuck it, going anyway.) --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876924999] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>You said that nobody gives a "hit" about Frollo, which is hyperbole. You can say that he isn't as iconic as others, but to say that nobody likes him is hyperbole.</quote> (Overlooking your typo) Except it's not hyperbolic,it's a common expression which everybody knows is used to gesture the extent to which nobody cares. Very few people like Frollo, certainly nowhere near enough to justify a film. The idea that you have enough people who like him to actually make the movie work is a hyperbolic exaggeration of the most deluded nature. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>This is downright hilarious. Scar is such a bland villain. Frollo is arguably the most complex Disney villain that there is. A deeply religious man who is tortured by his lust for a woman that defies both his prejudice against her people, the acceptability of the two being together considering the age difference, and his belief in the necessity of maintaining purity because of his faith. All you have to do is compare Be Prepared to Hellfire and it's clear that Frollo is the far more interesting villain, whereas Scar is that kind of cartoonishly evil villain that is fun to watch, but is about as deep as a puddle. You must be trolling.</quote> Uh, no, there's nothing really complex about Frollo in the film. He's little more than another one of Disney's Bowsers, a villain who can't handle rejection so he tries to kidnap his love interest. Everything you discuss -- with the exception of his lust and religious devotion -- isn't present within the film itself and is just you reading into you, possibly taking cues from the book. As much as you like to comically exaggerate Frollo's traits, there's very little to promote him. He's unexceptional in motivation, many of his actions are trite, and he's not a compelling villain. Honestly, if you were to compare him to anybody, it would be Mother Gothel, who -- just like Frollo -- largely kept Tangled from being a bigger hit. Granted, Gothel has more complexity than Frollo because at least she has compassion for her young ward who she keeps prisoner. Frollo is just a sociopathic douche. And, while Frollo's emotional manipulation of Quasimodo is one of the film's highlights, Scar BTFOs Frollo because he made Simba think he was responsible for his father's death and then, as an act of "kindness," encourages him to flee. Scar is the far better villain and his villainy helped to make The Lion King one of the biggest animated Disney classics. Meanwhile, characters like Frollo and Gothel helped relegate their films to obscurity. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>And Frollo is very much an identifiable character, especially considering the original iteration of the character in the novel. </quote> And that's the problem: You're looking at the novel instead of the film. Film Frollo is absurdly different from novel Frollo although, it's worth noting, novel Frollo's douchebaggery makes it even more clear that there's little depth to his character with a few of his actions. He's just a horny old goat worried about keeping his position, which makes him more more complex than any politician. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Trolling confirmed.</quote> Just because you don't like hearing something, doesn't make it any less true. In this case, it makes it more true because I'm trying to sail a truthboat across Denial River. (A pun that really only works in speech, but fuck it, going anyway.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Troll_Police_ 04/10/17 3:37:17 PM #16:	Good. I gotta have that mcnugget sauce morty! --- Is this going to be one of those times when you pretend not to have a plan until the last moment? And then turn out to really not have one? <cite>Troll_Police_ posted [p:876925041] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Good. I gotta have that mcnugget sauce morty!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/17 3:42:44 PM #17:	Troll_Police_ posted... Good. I gotta have that mcnugget sauce morty! Which is a good bit of native advertising, tbh... or another kind of sponsorship. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876925400] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Troll_Police_ posted...</cite> <quote>Good. I gotta have that mcnugget sauce morty!</quote> Which is a good bit of native advertising, tbh... or another kind of sponsorship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZiggiStardust 04/10/17 3:42:55 PM #18:	is the racist dragon going to be in it too? --- http://www.twitch.tv/agenttrav <cite>ZiggiStardust posted [p:876925423] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>is the racist dragon going to be in it too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 04/10/17 3:44:46 PM #19:	ZiggiStardust posted... is the racist dragon going to be in it too? Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:876925534] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>ZiggiStardust posted...</cite> <quote>is the racist dragon going to be in it too?</quote> Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
green dragon 04/10/17 3:52:51 PM #20:	wwinterj25 posted... Claude_Frollo posted... Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet. I don't see myself watching any of them regardless. I watched a play version of Aladdin a few years ago, and it was freaking amazing.I will totally watch a live action Aladdin movie if it is any where near as good as the play Aladdin is my favorite disney movie though <cite>green dragon posted [p:876926052] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>wwinterj25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Heard about The Lion King, don't think Aladdin has officially been confirmed yet.</quote> I don't see myself watching any of them regardless.</quote> I watched a play version of Aladdin a few years ago, and it was freaking amazing.I will totally watch a live action Aladdin movie if it is any where near as good as the play Aladdin is my favorite disney movie though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/17 3:54:54 PM #21:	InfestedAdam posted... ZiggiStardust posted... is the racist dragon going to be in it too? Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast. I used to be a huge ScarJo fan before the Marvel franchise soured me on her. I still kinda want to see GitS, but in general I would have preferred that they went with a more unknown actress. As for the Mulan cast, an all-Asian cast feels practical in some regards and pandering to the cultural appropriation crowd in others. Of course, the bigger issue is that I'm not sure that we have enough great high-profile Asian actors in this country to really bulk out that cast. We have plenty of martial rtists who can kinda act (Chan, Li, etc), but that's a bit different. At any rate, the biggest controversy might involve getting rid of the singing. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876926192] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfestedAdam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZiggiStardust posted...</cite> <quote>is the racist dragon going to be in it too?</quote> Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast.</quote> I used to be a huge ScarJo fan before the Marvel franchise soured me on her. I still kinda want to see GitS, but in general I would have preferred that they went with a more unknown actress. As for the Mulan cast, an all-Asian cast feels practical in some regards and pandering to the cultural appropriation crowd in others. Of course, the bigger issue is that I'm not sure that we have enough great high-profile Asian actors in this country to really bulk out that cast. We have plenty of martial rtists who can kinda act (Chan, Li, etc), but that's a bit different. At any rate, the biggest controversy might involve getting rid of the singing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hejiru 04/10/17 4:04:59 PM #22:	DesertPenguin09 posted... Or an original story, that might work... To be fair, they just did several original stories. --- "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense." -Tom Clancy <cite>Hejiru posted [p:876926805] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>DesertPenguin09 posted...</cite> <quote>Or an original story, that might work...</quote> To be fair, they just did several original stories.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkKirby2500 04/10/17 4:06:02 PM #23:	Is McDonald's going to bring back the szechuan sauce because of it? --- 1. The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him. 2. They're all complacent sheeple. <==]-<(-_o)>-[==> <cite>DarkKirby2500 posted [p:876926887] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Is McDonald's going to bring back the szechuan sauce because of it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/10/17 4:17:20 PM #24:	Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:876927623] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/10/17 4:54:35 PM #25:	Zeus posted... Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html If I recall correctly the Huns are being replaced with some European country. --- I had a little trouble with the fireplace. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:876930081] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html</quote> If I recall correctly the Huns are being replaced with some European country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ernieforss 04/10/17 5:04:03 PM #26:	I wonder how they will white wash mulan. --- I'm always 50% right all the time <cite>ernieforss posted [p:876930688] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how they will white wash mulan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jarsky2 04/10/17 5:19:36 PM #27:	Works for me, I detest The Little Mermaid. <cite>Jarsky2 posted [p:876931746] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Works for me, I detest The Little Mermaid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkynyrdRocker 04/10/17 9:49:50 PM #28:	Zeus posted... Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html Her remarks come after the release of a report earlier this year, which showed that only seven percent of the 250 highest-grossing films in 2016 were women I didn't know a film could be a boy or a girl. <cite>SkynyrdRocker posted [p:876949099] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Actually, details about the SJW director doesn't bode well: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/mulan-remake-director-niki-caro-hollywood-gender-pay-gap-the-zookeepers-wife-jessica-chastain-a7676446.html</quote> <quote>Her remarks come after the release of a report earlier this year, which showed that only seven percent of the 250 highest-grossing films in 2016 were women</quote> I didn't know a film could be a boy or a girl.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HorrorJudasGoat 04/10/17 11:36:00 PM #29:	Chloë Grace Moretz should get the role of Mulan. <cite>HorrorJudasGoat posted [p:876956272] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Chloë Grace Moretz should get the role of Mulan.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PKMNsony 04/11/17 12:33:58 AM #30:	Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King! <cite>PKMNsony posted [p:876959200] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 04/11/17 12:49:13 AM #31:	DarkKirby2500 posted... Is McDonald's going to bring back the szechuan sauce because of it? My guess is yes. I remembered McDonald's had some special sauce with the Mulan promotion, and the special box the McNuggets came in, but I don't actually remember how good or bad that sauce was, and I didn't remember what it was called. Just sort of a vague-ish memory. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:876959881] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkKirby2500 posted...</cite> <quote>Is McDonald's going to bring back the szechuan sauce because of it?</quote> My guess is yes. I remembered McDonald's had some special sauce with the Mulan promotion, and the special box the McNuggets came in, but I don't actually remember how good or bad that sauce was, and I didn't remember what it was called. Just sort of a vague-ish memory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZiggiStardust 04/11/17 11:26:14 AM #32:	InfestedAdam posted... ZiggiStardust posted... is the racist dragon going to be in it too? Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast. ghost in the shell would not have even been considered without a big name like scarlett johansson attached. it speaks more about the nature of general audiences more-so than the studios. mulan might have the gravity to get away with an all-asian cast (i hope they do) based on the name alone. --- http://www.twitch.tv/agenttrav <cite>ZiggiStardust posted [p:876980603] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>InfestedAdam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ZiggiStardust posted...</cite> <quote>is the racist dragon going to be in it too?</quote> Speaking of racist, in light of the flake Ghost in the Shell got (I actually enjoyed the movie), I wonder how many will avoid a live-action Mulan for having an all-Asian cast.</quote> ghost in the shell would not have even been considered without a big name like scarlett johansson attached. it speaks more about the nature of general audiences more-so than the studios. mulan might have the gravity to get away with an all-asian cast (i hope they do) based on the name alone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/11/17 12:04:11 PM #33:	I heard the Jungle Book movie was pretty good. Haven't watched it or the Beauty and the Beast remake either. Don't see why they couldn't make it work. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:876982810] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>I heard the Jungle Book movie was pretty good. Haven't watched it or the Beauty and the Beast remake either. Don't see why they couldn't make it work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shiny_Vikavolt 04/11/17 12:06:44 PM #34:	PKMNsony posted... Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King! Can it really be considered live action if all the characters are CG? <cite>Shiny_Vikavolt posted [p:876982958] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King!</quote> Can it really be considered live action if all the characters are CG?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfestedAdam 04/11/17 12:20:55 PM #35:	Shiny_Vikavolt posted... PKMNsony posted... Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King! Can it really be considered live action if all the characters are CG? I want to see a horde of hyenas singing Be Prepared. --- "You must gather your party before venturing forth" "Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!" <cite>InfestedAdam posted [p:876983720] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shiny_Vikavolt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King!</quote> Can it really be considered live action if all the characters are CG?</quote> I want to see a horde of hyenas singing Be Prepared.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/11/17 8:11:33 PM #36:	@Zeus Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop. --- I had a little trouble with the fireplace. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:877011900] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>@Zeus Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/11/17 11:58:22 PM #37:	PKMNsony posted... Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King! Which would be so much cooler without CGI. Claude_Frollo posted... Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop. 1) You don't need to tag me in a topic I have tracked. 2) I'm somewhat indifferent towards any continuation in general because we've had this exact same argument at least ten times now and, while I change my argument a little based on the context of the discussion, your justifications for extolling the value of Frollo don't really change. The reality is that he's just not that popular and is largely his fault. In general, a great villain can sell a mediocre hero and carry the show. Frollo -- at least in the Disney film -- just isn't that good. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877026158] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King!</quote> Which would be so much cooler without CGI. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop.</quote> 1) You don't need to tag me in a topic I have tracked. 2) I'm somewhat indifferent towards any continuation in general because we've had this exact same argument at least ten times now and, while I change my argument a little based on the context of the discussion, your justifications for extolling the value of Frollo don't really change. The reality is that he's just not that popular and is largely his fault. In general, a great villain can sell a mediocre hero and carry the show. Frollo -- at least in the Disney film -- just isn't that good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Claude_Frollo 04/12/17 12:28:47 AM #38:	Zeus posted... PKMNsony posted... Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King! Which would be so much cooler without CGI. Claude_Frollo posted... Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop. 1) You don't need to tag me in a topic I have tracked. 2) I'm somewhat indifferent towards any continuation in general because we've had this exact same argument at least ten times now and, while I change my argument a little based on the context of the discussion, your justifications for extolling the value of Frollo don't really change. The reality is that he's just not that popular and is largely his fault. In general, a great villain can sell a mediocre hero and carry the show. Frollo -- at least in the Disney film -- just isn't that good. 1. Well I don't know that you have it tracked. Is there some way that I can see who tracks my topics? Seriously, I don't know. 2. I think that he is a great villain and that he DID save the show from its mediocre hero. --- I had a little trouble with the fireplace. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted [p:877027530] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>PKMNsony posted...</cite> <quote>Who cares, I'm waiting for real life Lion King!</quote> Which would be so much cooler without CGI. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>Just so you know, I have every intention of getting back to you on our little spat. I just don't feel like doing it on my phone, so it'll have to wait until I happen to be on a laptop/desktop.</quote> 1) You don't need to tag me in a topic I have tracked. 2) I'm somewhat indifferent towards any continuation in general because we've had this exact same argument at least ten times now and, while I change my argument a little based on the context of the discussion, your justifications for extolling the value of Frollo don't really change. The reality is that he's just not that popular and is largely his fault. In general, a great villain can sell a mediocre hero and carry the show. Frollo -- at least in the Disney film -- just isn't that good.</quote> 1. Well I don't know that you have it tracked. Is there some way that I can see who tracks my topics? Seriously, I don't know. 2. I think that he is a great villain and that he DID save the show from its mediocre hero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 04/12/17 4:04:52 AM #39:	Claude_Frollo posted... 1. Well I don't know that you have it tracked. Is there some way that I can see who tracks my topics? Seriously, I don't know. Technically no, but I generally track every topic I argue in even if I don't necessarily get back to checking them. The mention system doesn't really prompt me to respond any faster because that just encourages people to abuse it. Granted, I'm not as hardline as PO who just outright ignores all mentions. Claude_Frollo posted... 2. I think that he is a great villain and that he DID save the show from its mediocre hero. His impact is minimal, which why the movie is one of Disney's weaker entries. He doesn't even have the magnetic personality of a Cruella de Ville. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| In Zeus We Trust: All Others Pay Cash <cite>Zeus posted [p:877034896] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote><cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>1. Well I don't know that you have it tracked. Is there some way that I can see who tracks my topics? Seriously, I don't know.</quote> Technically no, but I generally track every topic I argue in even if I don't necessarily get back to checking them. The mention system doesn't really prompt me to respond any faster because that just encourages people to abuse it. Granted, I'm not as hardline as PO who just outright ignores all mentions. <cite>Claude_Frollo posted...</cite> <quote>2. I think that he is a great villain and that he DID save the show from its mediocre hero.</quote> His impact is minimal, which why the movie is one of Disney's weaker entries. He doesn't even have the magnetic personality of a Cruella de Ville.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamechamp3k 04/12/17 4:13:31 AM #40:	Either they'd have to significantly alter the script, or it would be a technical nightmare getting the whole movie to look natural considering it would involve the actors constantly moving around in midair almost the entire time, with full range of movement and ability to speak, breath, keep their eyes open, like, you know, all the things people can't do underwater. I'd be very surprised if an adaptation of The Little Mermaid that actually focuses on the underwater scenes like Disney's does is successful in live-action. --- http://i.imgur.com/ES0IWHz.jpg Kuro-channnnnnn... <3 <cite>Gamechamp3k posted [p:877035094] in We're gett... [t:75218160]...</cite> <quote>Either they'd have to significantly alter the script, or it would be a technical nightmare getting the whole movie to look natural considering it would involve the actors constantly moving around in midair almost the entire time, with full range of movement and ability to speak, breath, keep their eyes open, like, you know, all the things people can't do underwater. I'd be very surprised if an adaptation of The Little Mermaid that actually focuses on the underwater scenes like Disney's does is successful in live-action.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poll of the Day > We're getting a live-action Mulan remake before The Little Mermaid gets one.