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butthole666
04/07/17 3:36:22 PM
#52:


Guardian-Sloth posted...
It's ok, if we all mock Trump and talk about how stupid he is all our problems will suddenly go away.

tbh his bruised ego is probably part of the reasoning for this. He wants so desperately to be taken seriously and jn the process is just making himself look worse.
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darkphoenix181
04/07/17 3:58:03 PM
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XmasPikachu posted...
Well I never changed my mind to begin with, so there's that. Second of all, I made the post, and I know what the f*** I meant (and still do) when I posted it. But hey, let's keep going with your idea just to wreck you:

- I never changed my mind
- Assuming I did, feel free to bash me for it, but hey, don't deflect from the zillions of trumpanzees that were like "America First!" but now they're ok with this, rag on them too, or else you're just nuthugging the cheeto nuthuggers


I do rag on them too.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75206030

happy as a republican who thought stronger ties with Russia were a good thing


but it is disingenuous to rag on the Trumpanzees and not notice the democrats who are all upset Trump is doing what they basically wanted to happen under Hillary and even more later when it came out that a gasp foreign power did the unthinkable and must now pay!
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thelovefist
04/07/17 4:16:16 PM
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L0Z
04/07/17 4:16:39 PM
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Russia would be stupid to do anything. According to the Hague Conventions the use of chemical weapons is a war crime. Every country had the right and duty to retaliate against the base responsible for this deplorable action.
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Mmmmlibtears
04/07/17 4:17:51 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Mmmmlibtears posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Trump did the right thing. Hillary would have done it, Obama would have done it, any halfway competent leader would have done it.

You can't just say "hand over your chemical weapons or there will be dire consequences" and then not follow up on those consequences when the fucker uses them again.


No, the right thing would be stay the fuck out of middle eastern drama and take care of your own people. This has nothing to do with us. The fucking Syrians are not our problem nor are they our responsibility.

Chemical weapons are a big deal. If we stayed out of it we would never hear the end of it. "Wow you guys just sat back and let all those civilians die horrible deaths from banned weapons!"

Chemical weapons are effectively banned because when they are used, there is punishment. You don't enforce international law with mean words.


You're absolutely right, we would get shit from the dems and liberals. I really don't think the rest of the world is expecting the US to take charge here. I'm pretty sure the rest of the world is sick to fucking death of the US playing world police (and making things 10x worse in the process. Remember, WE created, trained, armed, and funded what would become the Taliban).
But we also get condemnation for doing nothing. We cannot win. So as long as people are gonna be pissed about what we do regardless, what's the fucking point wasting time, money, and resources on a fight that has NOTHING to do with us and will give us NOTHING in return? They'll never be our allies, and we won't make any money off of military action nor will we gain territory.
There is literally absolutely no reason to get involved with this other than "muh feels".
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fire_bolt
04/07/17 5:22:01 PM
#57:


@Mmmmlibtears

At the cost of looking like an idiot for responding seriously to what is an obvious troll account, I'm gonna give you a real answer.

I wanna preface this by saying that I'm one of the bigger Trump detractors on this board. To be polite, the man is an unqualifed business person who is completely outside of his area of expertise and it really shows. Therefore, when I say he made the right decision here I want people to realize that's an objective thought unrelated to my feelings on that idiot.

Simply put, the US had already given Assad and ultimatum. Give up your Geneva Convention banned toys or we're gonna spank you like the naughty child you are. Once Syria showed that they didn't want to comply, we had to follow through or else other renegade countries might see it as a sign of weakness. Being tough and proactive here shows that even under the Trump administration the US isn't playing games when it comes to breaking international human rights laws. Now other countries who might step out of line have reason to pause and think if it's worth risking retaliation from the US.

Aside from that, it shows the rest of the civilized world that even though we have some internal squabbling going on politically, we're still keeping an eye on things and we're still the most powerful country in the world. If nothing else, we're gonna get some international respect for our strength and ability to respond to emerging situations quickly.

As for what the rest of the world thinks, fuck'em. Seriously, there's only a handful of countries we need to stay on good terms with. Everyone else we can give the middle finger and do whatever we want. They can cry all they want, but we're the big kids on the playground and it's our ball. They can either play the way we want or go home.

EDIT: This article from the New York Times presents it pretty well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/what-is-bashar-al-assad-thinking.html
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Mmmmlibtears
04/07/17 5:41:00 PM
#58:


fire_bolt posted...
@Mmmmlibtears

At the cost of looking like an idiot for responding seriously to what is an obvious troll account, I'm gonna give you a real answer.

I wanna preface this by saying that I'm one of the bigger Trump detractors on this board. To be polite, the man is an unqualifed business person who is completely outside of his area of expertise and it really shows. Therefore, when I say he made the right decision here I want people to realize that's an objective thought unrelated to my feelings on that idiot.

Simply put, the US had already given Assad and ultimatum. Give up your Geneva Convention banned toys or we're gonna spank you like the naughty child you are. Once Syria showed that they didn't want to comply, we had to follow through or else other renegade countries might see it as a sign of weakness. Being tough and proactive here shows that even under the Trump administration the US isn't playing games when it comes to breaking international human rights laws. Now other countries who might step out of line have reason to pause and think if it's worth risking retaliation from the US.

Aside from that, it shows the rest of the civilized world that even though we have some internal squabbling going on politically, we're still keeping an eye on things and we're still the most powerful country in the world. If nothing else, we're gonna get some international respect for our strength and ability to respond to emerging situations quickly.

As for what the rest of the world thinks, fuck'em. Seriously, there's only a handful of countries we need to stay on good terms with. Everyone else we can give the middle finger and do whatever we want. They can cry all they want, but we're the big kids on the playground and it's our ball. They can either play the way we want or go home.

EDIT: This article from the New York Times presents it pretty well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/what-is-bashar-al-assad-thinking.html


That completely failed to answer what's in it for us beyond more debt and wasted resources
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fire_bolt
04/07/17 5:45:16 PM
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Mmmmlibtears posted...
fire_bolt posted...
@Mmmmlibtears

At the cost of looking like an idiot for responding seriously to what is an obvious troll account, I'm gonna give you a real answer.

I wanna preface this by saying that I'm one of the bigger Trump detractors on this board. To be polite, the man is an unqualifed business person who is completely outside of his area of expertise and it really shows. Therefore, when I say he made the right decision here I want people to realize that's an objective thought unrelated to my feelings on that idiot.

Simply put, the US had already given Assad and ultimatum. Give up your Geneva Convention banned toys or we're gonna spank you like the naughty child you are. Once Syria showed that they didn't want to comply, we had to follow through or else other renegade countries might see it as a sign of weakness. Being tough and proactive here shows that even under the Trump administration the US isn't playing games when it comes to breaking international human rights laws. Now other countries who might step out of line have reason to pause and think if it's worth risking retaliation from the US.

Aside from that, it shows the rest of the civilized world that even though we have some internal squabbling going on politically, we're still keeping an eye on things and we're still the most powerful country in the world. If nothing else, we're gonna get some international respect for our strength and ability to respond to emerging situations quickly.

As for what the rest of the world thinks, fuck'em. Seriously, there's only a handful of countries we need to stay on good terms with. Everyone else we can give the middle finger and do whatever we want. They can cry all they want, but we're the big kids on the playground and it's our ball. They can either play the way we want or go home.

EDIT: This article from the New York Times presents it pretty well.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/opinion/what-is-bashar-al-assad-thinking.html


That completely failed to answer what's in it for us beyond more debt and wasted resources


Oh, sorry. I didn't realize your reading comprehension was so bad. I'll simplify it a bit.

It gives us international presence and respect that has been a bit lacking in the last few months. It also helps to unify our somewhat divided populace, since this is something most people on both sides of the political spectrum agree was a good decision. Most of us don't want a war, but we don't want a dictator slapping us in the face after we specifically told him to give up his chemical weapons either.
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Mmmmlibtears
04/07/17 5:48:58 PM
#60:


fire_bolt posted...
It gives us international presence and respect that has been a bit lacking in the last few months.


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize the people we owe money to were taking presence and respect as payment in lue of money now.I stand corrected!

I also love how your reading comprehension is just as bad, because you either missed or disregarded the part where I said we're damned if we do, damned if we dont. I assume you're too young to remember the beginning of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, so I'll clue you in: basically the entire world was, and still is, pissed off at us for it. Meddling in foreign affairs is virtually never looked upon favorably.
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tennisdude818
04/07/17 5:55:16 PM
#61:


Ampelas posted...
It's hilarious to watch the alt right nationalists turn on the right


Trump supporters are angry at him. If only antiwar Obama voters did the same with their guy instead of taking an 8 year nap.
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tennisdude818
04/07/17 6:00:50 PM
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Assad had nothing to gain from the chemical attack so it probably wasn't ordered by him anyway. The rebels/ISIS had their backs against a wall while the US was saying that regime change was no longer required.

I guess we can expect more false flag gas attacks the next time ISIS feels like they need the US to act as their air force. It looks like we got the foreign policy of Clinton/McCain/Obama after all.
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XmasPikachu
04/07/17 6:01:11 PM
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why is the alt right mad at trump for this?
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tennisdude818
04/07/17 6:07:57 PM
#64:


XmasPikachu posted...
why is the alt right mad at trump for this?


I can't tell if you mean the real alt right (whatever that is) vs. typical Trump voters. But Trump was the closest thing there was to an antiwar candidate besides Rand Paul. Instead of doing what he promised, he did exactly what Hillary suggested (she wanted Assad's airfields taken out) and what the Neo Cons wanted. If his voters wanted a neo con, they would have voted for a hawk republican in the primaries or for Hillary Clinton in the general.
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fire_bolt
04/07/17 6:18:59 PM
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Mmmmlibtears posted...
fire_bolt posted...
It gives us international presence and respect that has been a bit lacking in the last few months.


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize the people we owe money to were taking presence and respect as payment in lue of money now.I stand corrected!

I also love how your reading comprehension is just as bad, because you either missed or disregarded the part where I said we're damned if we do, damned if we dont. I assume you're too young to remember the beginning of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, so I'll clue you in: basically the entire world was, and still is, pissed off at us for it. Meddling in foreign affairs is virtually never looked upon favorably.


No, silly bear, you failed to understand what I meant when I said we have no reason to give a fuck what most of the world thinks. For 90% of the world, their opinion means to us what an ant's opinion means to a human. The remaining 10% either rely on us to buy their products or rely on us to sell them stuff. While we don't want to antagonize them, they're not gonna back out of trade with us over literally a non-issue.

Aside from that, you're completely exaggerating how much this is costing us in actual resources. The entire operation cost about .1% of the US's yearly military budget. We'd need to launch 100 more similar missile strikes to even be able to tell a difference.
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monkmith
04/07/17 6:21:57 PM
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these conservative circle jerk topics are a hoot.
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fire810
04/07/17 6:24:03 PM
#67:


Uncle_Drew posted...
And what would you of had Trump do? Just sit back after they said don't use chemical weapons?


it would be interesting to see how Hillary would have handled the recent chem attacks. Obama really wanted a piece of Assad when he did them the last time.

although, I heavily disagree with Trump on this one. We should either fight for Assad, or leave it all alone.
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fire810
04/07/17 6:27:10 PM
#68:


Ampelas posted...
It's hilarious to watch the alt right nationalists turn on the right


you mean turn on the neocons? The alt right was created specifically to go against neocons. Hence the title.
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DeathByMusic68
04/07/17 6:36:08 PM
#69:


Nothing is going to happen and that's still not very good news.

This whole ordeal is just a plot by Putin to get the US to lift the sanctions we have on Russia.

>Trump advisors colluding with Russia
>Russia has leverage on Trump
>Putin tells Trump to attack Assad and which airfield to strike.
>Putin threatens an attack unless Trump shows sign of goodwill.
>Trump agrees to lift sanctions in order to avoid WW3.
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Vindris_SNH
04/07/17 6:44:50 PM
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I feel sorry for people threatening the US.
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Mmmmlibtears
04/07/17 9:11:02 PM
#72:


fire_bolt posted...
Mmmmlibtears posted...
fire_bolt posted...
It gives us international presence and respect that has been a bit lacking in the last few months.


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize the people we owe money to were taking presence and respect as payment in lue of money now.I stand corrected!

I also love how your reading comprehension is just as bad, because you either missed or disregarded the part where I said we're damned if we do, damned if we dont. I assume you're too young to remember the beginning of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, so I'll clue you in: basically the entire world was, and still is, pissed off at us for it. Meddling in foreign affairs is virtually never looked upon favorably.


No, silly bear, you failed to understand what I meant when I said we have no reason to give a fuck what most of the world thinks. For 90% of the world, their opinion means to us what an ant's opinion means to a human. The remaining 10% either rely on us to buy their products or rely on us to sell them stuff. While we don't want to antagonize them, they're not gonna back out of trade with us over literally a non-issue.

Aside from that, you're completely exaggerating how much this is costing us in actual resources. The entire operation cost about .1% of the US's yearly military budget. We'd need to launch 100 more similar missile strikes to even be able to tell a difference.


Oh, sorry, I understand now. My mistake. What you're actually saying is

Mmmmlibtears posted...
There is literally absolutely no reason to get involved with this other than "muh feels".
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fire_bolt
04/07/17 9:22:28 PM
#73:


Mmmmlibtears posted...
fire_bolt posted...
Mmmmlibtears posted...
fire_bolt posted...
It gives us international presence and respect that has been a bit lacking in the last few months.


Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize the people we owe money to were taking presence and respect as payment in lue of money now.I stand corrected!

I also love how your reading comprehension is just as bad, because you either missed or disregarded the part where I said we're damned if we do, damned if we dont. I assume you're too young to remember the beginning of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, so I'll clue you in: basically the entire world was, and still is, pissed off at us for it. Meddling in foreign affairs is virtually never looked upon favorably.


No, silly bear, you failed to understand what I meant when I said we have no reason to give a fuck what most of the world thinks. For 90% of the world, their opinion means to us what an ant's opinion means to a human. The remaining 10% either rely on us to buy their products or rely on us to sell them stuff. While we don't want to antagonize them, they're not gonna back out of trade with us over literally a non-issue.

Aside from that, you're completely exaggerating how much this is costing us in actual resources. The entire operation cost about .1% of the US's yearly military budget. We'd need to launch 100 more similar missile strikes to even be able to tell a difference.


Oh, sorry, I understand now. My mistake. What you're actually saying is

Mmmmlibtears posted...
There is literally absolutely no reason to get involved with this other than "muh feels".


Welp, I tried. Nobody can say I didn't. Carry on, silly troll. I'll not feed you further
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