Poll of the Day > Green Lantern is a horrible movie.

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Why was it freakin made?

Because DC thinks they can make movies.

It was not that bad. It was passable to me. At-least Mr.Reynolds fixed the oath part (they were not even going to include it). Supposedly he is a comicbook fan and he knew about it. Although this could just be PR BS

Eh, I've seen worse
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That movie was embarrassingly bad

there's a reason a joke about that movie has been in every ryan reynolds movie made after it
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I'd give it a 4/10
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It could have been salvageable with some characters to character designs and not jumping between shit so often. In general, they also should have gone with the John Stewart GL... and had him played by Idris Elba =p
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Zeus posted...

It could have been salvageable with some characters to character designs and not jumping between shit so often. In general, they also should have gone with the John Stewart GL... and had him played by Idris Elba =p

Would Idris Elba be willing to play Green Lantern though is the question. Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

ImmortalityV posted...

Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

Speaking of James Bond: That's the thing about Green Lantern that really floors me. It was directed by Martin Campbell (Goldeneye and Casino Royale). It should not have been so bad. ... And yet it was.

I'd've been fine with a John Stewart movie. Or Guy Gardner. Or Kyle Rayner. Or pretty much anybody but Hal freakin' Silver Age Jordan.
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ImmortalityV posted...

Would Idris Elba be willing to play Green Lantern though is the question. Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

Bond is off the table for now. Daniel Craig recently agreed to at least one more Bond film.
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The movie was atrocious, even more so if you'd been reading Geoff John's run on the comic.

It was bad. Green Hornet was worse.
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i don't know anything about Green Lantern or Green Hornet. but i enjoyed both. I would go see a Green Hornet 2 movie before i go see a Green Lantern 2 movie. I think Green Lantern was a typical hero movie and they played it really safe.
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Is it better or worse than the new Fantastic Four(Fant4stic) movie though?
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I_Abibde posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

Speaking of James Bond: That's the thing about Green Lantern that really floors me. It was directed by Martin Campbell (Goldeneye and Casino Royale). It should not have been so bad. ... And yet it was.

I'd've been fine with a John Stewart movie. Or Guy Gardner. Or Kyle Rayner. Or pretty much anybody but Hal freakin' Silver Age Jordan.

Supposedly they were not even going to do the Green Lantern's oath.
Grendel Prime posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

Would Idris Elba be willing to play Green Lantern though is the question. Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

Bond is off the table for now. Daniel Craig recently agreed to at least one more Bond film.

Well hopefully the next Bond film is great regardless of who stars in it.

ImmortalityV posted...

Zeus posted...

It could have been salvageable with some characters to character designs and not jumping between shit so often. In general, they also should have gone with the John Stewart GL... and had him played by Idris Elba =p

Would Idris Elba be willing to play Green Lantern though is the question. Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

This was before the black Bond meme (although I'm evoking the meme) and Idris never agreed on Bond.

Evil Ryu919 posted...

It was bad. Green Hornet was worse.

idk, I remember Hornet being better. Granted, i don't remember it as keenly.
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I can't wait for the SWJ get a hold of the bond movie. It will probably star Freema Agyeman.

And then i would say that not very SWJ it should have Gemma Chan as lead star. We got to support the minority of the minority. British-Chinese never get big role in AAA+ movies.
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what's the difference between Hal Jordan and John Stewart?
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Zeus posted...

It could have been salvageable with some characters to character designs and not jumping between shit so often.

I said this at the time - if they'd either stuck with the Earth stuff or gone full-in with the space stuff (which is what most of the nerds want, but which I still think probably would have been a mistake), and if they'd had a better villain (not stupid Hector Hammond and Parallax as a giant evil space cloud), it could easily have been a success. Possibly helped if Reynolds had played it a bit straighter (more towards the Nathan Fillion end of the scale) rather than being the most comic relief character in his own movie.

My suggestion was a film where they just went with the modern origin story - namely, Abin Sur crashes on Earth with Atrocitus (albeit one who already has the red ring). Hal gets Abon Sur's ring, learns to use it, has to fight Atrocitus, mostly loses. Towards the end, Sinestro shows up, and a combination of Hal developing newfound confidence and the help of Sinestro allows him to beat Atrocitus - end credits. Pad it out with the obligatory Carol romance and a few scenes of Hal potentially defeating more ordinary criminals before Atrocitus shows up (or some sort of weird blood-possessed rage monsters conjured up by Atrocitus afterward, giving Hal supernormal enemies to hone his skills on), and you've got a film.

You've also got a custom-made trilogy on your hands - the second film is the one where Hal finally goes to space and trains with the Lantern Corps, while becoming friends with Sinestro (with a scene or three in the background also showing Sinestro slowly growing disillusioned with how the Guardians run things). And then you do the Sinestro turn in the third movie, with him embracing the yellow light of fear and forcing Hal to fight against someone he's been friends with for multiple movies (rather than, you know, giving them 2-3 scenes together and then throwing away the turn in a post-credits scene).

The movie we got was oddly schizophrenic, where it was simultaneously rushing way too hard to establish certain plot points while still feeling like it was dragging, and where it couldn't decide if it wanted to be a more traditional Earth-based superhero movie or space-based sci-fi. By trying to be everything at once, it wound up failing at everything. It needed to pick what it wanted to be and focus on that.


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The two worst parts of the movie to me involved the Yellow Power Ring:

1. The Guardians would've NEVER green-lighted (no pun intended) the creation of a Yellow Power Ring. They made some stupid mistakes like the Manhunters and letting the rings choose their bearers, but they woulda' never allowed the creation of a Yellow Power Ring.

2. Sinestro was very intelligent. After seeing Hal Jordan, the newest Green Lantern and the weakest (in Sinestro's opinion, since Hal was human), single-handedly defeat Parallax (the epitome of the yellow power), it wouldn't make sense for Sinestro to don the ring in the post-credits scene. There should've been more build up to that.

(On a side note, if Parallax was out and about in the universe instead of trapped in the Green Battery, none of the Green Lanterns should've had no weakness to yellow anyway.)
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what if they rebooted green lantern and still got Ryan to play it
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"Please don't paint the super suit green... or animated"

https://youtu.be/ONHBaC-pfsk?t=32
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helIy posted...

what if they rebooted green lantern and still got Ryan to play it

No, he's doing better the deadpool right now...


Or if they wanted a DC vs. Marvel mashup of Deadpool vs. the Green Lantern (with ryan renolds as both).
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he can do both, you know

whats his face is both the human torch and captain america

well, until the recent reboot
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

what's the difference between Hal Jordan and John Stewart?

One's a black and one's white, people like the black one because he was in the Justice League cartoon since Hal was dead in the comics at the time.

Seriously, Hal is the most powerful Green Lantern of them all but I think people like John more because he's the former host of the Daily Show and a former U.S. Marine so he's the most qualified for it.

Other notable Green Lanterns are: Guy Gardner and Kyle Raynor but you don't really hear about them all that much.
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helIy posted...

what if they rebooted green lantern and still got Ryan to play it

They've actually talked about doing that, to tie in with the current Justice League push (and to save having to try and reboot the whole thing after a single movie), but it doesn't seem like Ryan Reynolds would be interested based on just how much he seems to hate the first movie.

Plus, it's kind of tainted goods now. Not that DC is letting that stop them when it comes to all of their other movies at the moment.



aHappySacka posted...

DirtBasedSoap posted...

what's the difference between Hal Jordan and John Stewart?

One's a black and one's white, people like the black one because he was in the Justice League cartoon since Hal was dead in the comics at the time.

It's more like he was in the Justice League due to affirmative action, because Kyle Rayner was the official Green Lantern at the time and John hadn't really been doing much in the comics for years beforehand. They mostly picked him specifically to add diversity, in the same way they deliberately used Hawkgirl rather than Hawkman.

(Which isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, and to be honest those cartoons were probably the most interesting he's ever actually BEEN as a character, but it doesn't really change WHY they picked him.)

The DCAU cartoons actually used Kyle first (he shows up as Green Lantern in the Superman series) before switching over to John with very little explanation of why he was Green Lantern, how he became Green Lantern, what had happened to Kyle, and so on. Though that version of Kyle was more like a hybrid version of Kyle and Hal anyway (sort of like how the version of The Flash they used was sort of a cross between Barry Allen and Wally West, albeit more Wally than Barry).



aHappySacka posted...

Other notable Green Lanterns are: Guy Gardner and Kyle Raynor but you don't really hear about them all that much.

Guy's the best Green Lantern, except when he's busy being the best Red Lantern.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus posted...

It could have been salvageable with some characters to character designs and not jumping between shit so often.

I said this at the time - if they'd either stuck with the Earth stuff or gone full-in with the space stuff (which is what most of the nerds want, but which I still think probably would have been a mistake), and if they'd had a better villain (not stupid Hector Hammond and Parallax as a giant evil space cloud), it could easily have been a success. Possibly helped if Reynolds had played it a bit straighter (more towards the Nathan Fillion end of the scale) rather than being the most comic relief character in his own movie.

My suggestion was a film where they just went with the modern origin story - namely, Abin Sur crashes on Earth with Atrocitus (albeit one who already has the red ring). Hal gets Abon Sur's ring, learns to use it, has to fight Atrocitus, mostly loses. Towards the end, Sinestro shows up, and a combination of Hal developing newfound confidence and the help of Sinestro allows him to beat Atrocitus - end credits. Pad it out with the obligatory Carol romance and a few scenes of Hal potentially defeating more ordinary criminals before Atrocitus shows up (or some sort of weird blood-possessed rage monsters conjured up by Atrocitus afterward, giving Hal supernormal enemies to hone his skills on), and you've got a film.

You've also got a custom-made trilogy on your hands - the second film is the one where Hal finally goes to space and trains with the Lantern Corps, while becoming friends with Sinestro (with a scene or three in the background also showing Sinestro slowly growing disillusioned with how the Guardians run things). And then you do the Sinestro turn in the third movie, with him embracing the yellow light of fear and forcing Hal to fight against someone he's been friends with for multiple movies (rather than, you know, giving them 2-3 scenes together and then throwing away the turn in a post-credits scene).

The movie we got was oddly schizophrenic, where it was simultaneously rushing way too hard to establish certain plot points while still feeling like it was dragging, and where it couldn't decide if it wanted to be a more traditional Earth-based superhero movie or space-based sci-fi. By trying to be everything at once, it wound up failing at everything. It needed to pick what it wanted to be and focus on that.

That does sound like a decent movie... and it wasn't until now that I realized I said "characters to characters" instead of "changes to characters." D'oh.

At any rate, Atrocitus would also be a good way of introducing the concept of other Lantern Corps for when Sinestro eventually does a heel turn. It's also more organic than Sinestro just coming up with the idea for a yellow lantern. Oh, plus Atrocitus could be a way to introduce the concept of the Manhunters who could appear as a villain in a later film.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It's more like he was in the Justice League due to affirmative action, because Kyle Rayner was the official Green Lantern at the time and John hadn't really been doing much in the comics for years beforehand. They mostly picked him specifically to add diversity, in the same way they deliberately used Hawkgirl rather than Hawkman.

I believe that they literally used that as part of their explanation for his and Hawkgirl's inclusion. At any rate, I was just happy they didn't go with Kyle since I've never liked Kyle.
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should have gone with john stewart
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Zeus posted...

At any rate, Atrocitus would also be a good way of introducing the concept of other Lantern Corps for when Sinestro eventually does a heel turn. It's also more organic than Sinestro just coming up with the idea for a yellow lantern.

The way I saw it, you basically make "FEAR" the running theme of the entire trilogy. In the first movie, it's emphasized that Abin Sur fails (and dies) because Atrocitus made him afraid, and fear is the greatest weakness of the Green Lantern power ("Fear is the enemy of Will" as a snappy running mantra works great).

In the first movie, Hal gets the ring, and does some minor cool tricks with it, maybe saves some people or beats up some criminals. Then he fights Atrocitus, and gets his ass kicked - and his powers start to fail him, which is later emphasized as being because his fear is weakening his will. Then Sinestro shows up, actually explains these sorts of ground rules to him, and he sort of goes through his soul-searching 80s montage moment and discovers new-found motivation and courage, potentially bolstered by having Carol's life in danger or Sinestro explaining to him just how fucked Earth is if they don't catch Atrocitus (cue description of Ysmault, blaming it on Atrocitus).

In the final battle against Atrocitus, Sinestro gets decked allowing Hal to get the finishing blow, which he does by blowing up the yellow construction truck Atrocitus was going to beat him to death with (as a reference to the comics and the weakness being yellow, which we won't use because modern audiences think that's kind of stupid), because he's apparently JUST SO BADASS he's become immune to fear, and thus, THE MOST POWERFUL LANTERN EVER.

(But really, as we eventually learn in a later movie, the real trick is that he's always terrified, but has sort of come to terms with that fear in a way that just galvanizes his will even more, making him the only Green Lantern who is essentially using his fear as motivation rather than spending all of his time trying to deny or negate it.)

All of this is actually in the revised Green Lantern origin story from Rebirth, so it's not as if I'm making anything new up here.

Then the second movie continues to emphasize a lot about how emotions like fear and hate are weaknesses that sap will (and possibly throws love and compassion in there as well, to Hal's objection), while Sinestro is slowly becoming frustrated with how the Guardians are handling things, eventually learning that the Guardians lied about Ysmault (ie, THEY'RE the ones who destroyed the world, thus justifying Atrocitus' hatred of them), turning him against them. He embraces fear because it's the one power that truly makes Green Lanterns weak, and because it's the power of control and imposed order (see also Batman's entire philosophy).

After the first trilogy, and assuming it's popular enough to warrant sequels, you could always introduce other Lantern Corps, though I'd be hesitant - Orange, Blue, and Indigo are more support flavors than concepts that can carry an entire movie on their own. Violet might be a theme worth exploring, especially if the relationship with Carol is maintained over multiple movies (or possibly better, if he breaks up with her because the Guardians tell him love is forbidden and he's trying to do the right thing), because then you have something to work with if she becomes Star Sapphire, but that's another concept that might work better as the B-plot to a story with a strong main plotline.

Blackest Night is always an option, but that seems like it would be terrible as a film even though it was great as a comic.



Zeus posted...

I was just happy they didn't go with Kyle since I've never liked Kyle.

I'm not sure anyone likes Kyle.

Even Kyle doesn't like Kyle.


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It was just Deadpool making fun of Green Lantern.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Even Kyle doesn't like Kyle.

Kyle doesn't like refrigerators, as I recall.
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I_Abibde posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Even Kyle doesn't like Kyle.

Kyle doesn't like refrigerators, as I recall.

He also doesn't like Gotham.



Bueno...


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Is it safe to say people only like John Stewart because of the Justice League cartoon? He's boring as shit in the comics (did you know he used to be a marine? Because he used to be a marine. Before he got the ring, he was a marine and he marined around doing marine things. He also used to be an architect, but that'll never come up again, because he's too busy talking about how he used to be a marine).
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ecco6t9 posted...

It was just Deadpool making fun of Green Lantern.

Because ryan reynolds played him and the movie bombed so he wanted to avoid that again... hence the line
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GanonsSpirit posted...

He also used to be an architect, but that'll never come up again, because he's too busy talking about how he used to be a marine.

It comes up just often enough to justify why he (and Kyle, who was an artist) can use their rings to make really elaborate constructs while unimaginative Hal mostly just uses his ring to punch people.

But yeah, John's whole "Hey, I was a marine!" comes up way more often. Like when he got an Indigo ring and was literally Rambo for absolutely no reason whatsoever.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/f/ff/JohnStewartIndigoTribe.png


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GanonsSpirit posted...

Is it safe to say people only like John Stewart because of the Justice League cartoon? He's boring as shit in the comics (did you know he used to be a marine? Because he used to be a marine. Before he got the ring, he was a marine and he marined around doing marine things. He also used to be an architect, but that'll never come up again, because he's too busy talking about how he used to be a marine).

It's probably the biggest reason for non-comic fans. And, honestly, out of the four big Earth Lanterns, he's got the best personality. Guy Gardner is an ass, Kyle is annoying, and Hal is usually a block of wood.
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How can you call Hal a block of wood personality-wise in comparison to John? John basically doesn't have a personality. You could put any generic former military character in his place and it'd be the same.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

How can you call Hal a block of wood personality-wise in comparison to John? John basically doesn't have a personality. You could put any generic former military character in his place and it'd be the same.

He says without the slightest hint of irony when defending Hal.
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Zeus posted...

He says without the slightest hint of irony when defending Hal.

I think that's sort of the point - they're both kind of cardboard. It's hard to rate either of them higher than the other when they're both pretty evenly dull.

But Hal at least sort of has a bit of pompous sarcasm to his personality in the comics (and served as a bit of an interesting foil when he used to hang out with Green Arrow), whereas John is mostly a lump. The closest he really HAD to a personality was when he first debuted, and even then it was more "generic over-the-top black man" (see also, Luke Cage) than it was any real character.

What most people think of when they think his personality is about 90% the creation of the Justice League cartoons (and a lot of it hinges on the fact that Phil Lamarr is a really good voice actor).


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

What most people think of when they think his personality is about 90% the creation of the Justice League cartoons (and a lot of it hinges on the fact that Phil Lamarr is a really good voice actor).

The DC Animated Universe is quite possibly the best part of the whole DC franchise, if you ask me, and it is for reasons like this.
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Grendel Prime posted...

ImmortalityV posted...

Would Idris Elba be willing to play Green Lantern though is the question. Last I heard he was eyeballing James Bond.

Bond is off the table for now. Daniel Craig recently agreed to at least one more Bond film.

They could make 2 bond films though right?