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VeryInsane
03/28/17 8:23:44 PM
#101:


Yeah the pj/Corrik thing being tough to decide was exactly why they weren't a better lynch than dowolf or puns IMO.

Kanz lynch was legitimately bad in almost every single possibility I could think.

Se7en wasn't a terrible lynch because I couldn't trust him at endgame but you had the tracker track plum Night before (Shad was incredibly obvious about this by the way) and literally f***ing MERLE claimed.
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:23:52 PM
#102:


Chaeix posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Well, this is surprising. I was expecting Red to be scum after that hammer

Honestly super disappointed in almost everybody except @profDEADPOOL. He gets a shoutout from me for that very detailed and logic'd out post he made at one point that I'm trying to find (you now the one, the long one). You can be a much better player than we all think you are, Prof. If you can keep that level of logical thinking and excellence up consistently instead of doing more fluffy and inconsequential posts you can totally be one of the absolute best players we got.

Gonna see if I can muster up the energy to do a ragepost breakdown of this game, because there's a s***load to say about it

man i had 2/3 and the other i was right on the coin flip where's my kudos


You did aight too JC

But man like

can I just drop a sneak peek of the rageposting, guys?

STOP MURDERING s*** TOWN FOR BEING s***.

Don't f***ing go for them, jesus f***! Ignore them! Why are you killing awful players? Your job as town is to go after the chatty, active people and force them to make actually meaningful contributions substantiated with logic, because these are the people who are a threat to town if they're scum. Do you think you stand a lot to gain from lynching random stupid newbies or lurkers over pressuring chatty players who haven't proven themselves to have something meaningful to say that will help the town? Do you think IfGodCouldDie or Se7en are going to win a game as scum on their own if they're the last scum standing? Christ! You really should f***ing know better at this point! ALL OF YOU.
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profDEADPOOL
03/28/17 8:24:01 PM
#103:


bng_mmmk posted...
I don't think I could have hand-picked a scum team which would've been better suited to my play.

Also, guys, come on....spiral replaced immediately! You knew he was scum! lol.

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Goddammit
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:24:14 PM
#104:


red13n posted...
Also Corrik I wish you wouldnt have attached PJ to you like that. Would have been more inclined to listen to you today if you hadn't.

i'm actually really annoyed that you were so convinced pj/corrik would do that as scumbuddies because it meant i wasn't going to be able to convince you to do dowolf or puns first
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greengravy294
03/28/17 8:24:33 PM
#105:


i was 1 for 3 on my 10% reading gun to head VI grilldown earlier

not as good as LOPEN intently following the game though......
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:24:38 PM
#106:


Wanted to straight up apologize to ed. I said a lot of mean things about you on my attempt to break scum, but you're making huge efforts to play and that shouldn't be discouraged. I notice sometimes you fixate on really weird things that don't make much sense to me in terms of whether those things tell us alignment or not.

I'm soliciting opinions: Should I have claimed when I did or should I have hid everything from everybody? I do see red's point, we maybe could have started to roll people but I just felt like JC would get lynched if I didn't bail him out.

Also, red I wish I would have felt better about your alignment night 3. That ed scan didn't seem like a town-red thing to me which is why I had to go with my #1 read of Justin (no offense justin, but I trust red with a roleblock more than you, didn't agree with the corrik rb because even if he was scum, don't think he would have led the kill).
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red13n
03/28/17 8:25:00 PM
#107:


Chaeix posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Well, this is surprising. I was expecting Red to be scum after that hammer

Honestly super disappointed in almost everybody except @profDEADPOOL. He gets a shoutout from me for that very detailed and logic'd out post he made at one point that I'm trying to find (you now the one, the long one). You can be a much better player than we all think you are, Prof. If you can keep that level of logical thinking and excellence up consistently instead of doing more fluffy and inconsequential posts you can totally be one of the absolute best players we got.

Gonna see if I can muster up the energy to do a ragepost breakdown of this game, because there's a s***load to say about it

man i had 2/3 and the other i was right on the coin flip where's my kudos


yeah I had 2 of 3 too, getting all of them in a row like that was going to be tough.

I will maintain with the setup that the scum extra kill was excessive. Wasn't a bad setup and I had fun though.
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Corrik
03/28/17 8:25:29 PM
#108:


red13n posted...
Also Corrik I wish you wouldnt have attached PJ to you like that. Would have been more inclined to listen to you today if you hadn't.

Wish scum wasn't the only literal player that would reread my actions this game which all screamed town.

You got lazy man.
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:25:54 PM
#109:


tl;dr don't f***ing go after easy targets ever until there's no other left

You literally do not have time because s***ty townies will sheep decent scum once all the strong voices are dead

Go after the most difficult possible target you can find if you want to win as town! It's the only way to win! It's what I f***ing did with Ulti and I nailed him dead to rights even though you f***asses bungled an obvious lynch and needed an extra try to get it right!
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:26:47 PM
#110:


Yah, I had a lot of fun, too. Will there be more mafia? I'll totally play.
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:26:53 PM
#111:


Oddity posted...
Wanted to straight up apologize to ed. I said a lot of mean things about you on my attempt to break scum, but you're making huge efforts to play and that shouldn't be discouraged. I notice sometimes you fixate on really weird things that don't make much sense to me in terms of whether those things tell us alignment or not.

I'm soliciting opinions: Should I have claimed when I did or should I have hid everything from everybody? I do see red's point, we maybe could have started to roll people but I just felt like JC would get lynched if I didn't bail him out.

Also, red I wish I would have felt better about your alignment night 3. That ed scan didn't seem like a town-red thing to me which is why I had to go with my #1 read of Justin (no offense justin, but I trust red with a roleblock more than you, didn't agree with the corrik rb because even if he was scum, don't think he would have led the kill).

i sorta figured the inventor would have waited for me to mention something if the train was moving on to me since they knew i had a doc save i could pull out as a defense for there being no kill that night. i thought the ball was in my court there.
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VeryInsane
03/28/17 8:26:58 PM
#112:


red13n posted...
Chaeix posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Well, this is surprising. I was expecting Red to be scum after that hammer

Honestly super disappointed in almost everybody except @profDEADPOOL. He gets a shoutout from me for that very detailed and logic'd out post he made at one point that I'm trying to find (you now the one, the long one). You can be a much better player than we all think you are, Prof. If you can keep that level of logical thinking and excellence up consistently instead of doing more fluffy and inconsequential posts you can totally be one of the absolute best players we got.

Gonna see if I can muster up the energy to do a ragepost breakdown of this game, because there's a s***load to say about it

man i had 2/3 and the other i was right on the coin flip where's my kudos


yeah I had 2 of 3 too, getting all of them in a row like that was going to be tough.

I will maintain with the setup that the scum extra kill was excessive. Wasn't a bad setup and I had fun though.


I think I built it as a safe in in case serial killer got lynched Day 1 and to bypass the ridiculous amounts of protection I put into the game.

I was thinking of a delayed strongman but I thought that was kinda lame
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:27:08 PM
#113:


also red, what was your misplay or whatever. The not claiming of the scan?
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red13n
03/28/17 8:27:12 PM
#114:


Oddity posted...

I'm soliciting opinions: Should I have claimed when I did or should I have hid everything from everybody? I do see red's point, we maybe could have started to roll people but I just felt like JC would get lynched if I didn't bail him out.


You assured your death the moment you claimed. We had the lynch for the day. I'd have held it in. We probably lose eaed actually because scum certainly figured I had a scan on him.
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Arti
03/28/17 8:27:23 PM
#115:


pj and puns were obviously scum reading over the last day, and corrik obvious town

but whatever
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:28:28 PM
#116:


(seriously I cannot hammer this in enough: don't assume town has an actual majority of players over scum. In practice you don't, because we are not a healthy enough community to have 19 active, engaged players who can play well and will remain motivated throughout. Assume you have like, five or six 'strong town' voices and so you have until like night 3 to kill all the strong scum and win the game, and that's if you're lucky and lots of good players applied. Once the strong townies are dead bad players like Tony will just be led by the nose by scum. Get the f*** outta here with trying to lynch bad players until all the good dangerous scum are dead.)
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Corrik
03/28/17 8:29:22 PM
#117:


Chaeix posted...
red13n posted...
Also Corrik I wish you wouldnt have attached PJ to you like that. Would have been more inclined to listen to you today if you hadn't.

i'm actually really annoyed that you were so convinced pj/corrik would do that as scumbuddies because it meant i wasn't going to be able to convince you to do dowolf or puns first

PJ did that the last two games we were both town. Nulltell really
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Shaduln
03/28/17 8:29:56 PM
#118:


Why the f*** didnt you guys kill plum d3 could I be more obvious?
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dowolf
03/28/17 8:30:05 PM
#119:


KanzarisKelshen posted...

Don't f***ing go for them, jesus f***! Ignore them! Why are you killing awful players? Your job as town is to go after the chatty, active people and force them to make actually meaningful contributions substantiated with logic, because these are the people who are a threat to town if they're scum. Do you think you stand a lot to gain from lynching random stupid newbies or lurkers over pressuring chatty players who haven't proven themselves to have something meaningful to say that will help the town? Do you think IfGodCouldDie or Se7en are going to win a game as scum on their own if they're the last scum standing? Christ! You really should f***ing know better at this point! ALL OF YOU.

Hey

Hey

Hey

I made a fantastic argument for why eaed was being scum that I was really proud of.
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:30:11 PM
#120:


As for this game I had fun while I was playing but goddamn watching town make so many terrible misplays after I was gone was really f***ing terrible

I just wish I'd lived longer because I feel like I could've done something to have gotten town a couple more scum kills, it was not in fact a good trade giving myself up to nail Ulti because people kinda floundered afterwards like crazy.
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bng_mmmk
03/28/17 8:30:41 PM
#121:


I've been called obvious scum after every single scum victory in my life. I guess I just need to find better towns to play against!

(sarcasm)
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:31:03 PM
#122:


dowolf op. Couldn't read you all game.
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ChaosTonyV4
03/28/17 8:31:14 PM
#123:


Augh! I told you guys Dowolf was scum.

No one was listening and I didn't want to get lynched, so I followed onto Kanz for survival, f***.
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:31:14 PM
#124:


dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you

like regardless of the strength of my arguments the fact nobody would even take the time to say "hey jc your argument sucks", especially when i was fixating on you

i'm too lazy to read scumboard but you must have commented on that somewhere in there
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Arti
03/28/17 8:31:20 PM
#125:


bng_mmmk posted...
I've been called obvious scum after every single scum victory in my life. I guess I just need to find better towns to play against!

(sarcasm)


I mean, I've played with you enough by now
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:31:32 PM
#126:


dowolf posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...

Don't f***ing go for them, jesus f***! Ignore them! Why are you killing awful players? Your job as town is to go after the chatty, active people and force them to make actually meaningful contributions substantiated with logic, because these are the people who are a threat to town if they're scum. Do you think you stand a lot to gain from lynching random stupid newbies or lurkers over pressuring chatty players who haven't proven themselves to have something meaningful to say that will help the town? Do you think IfGodCouldDie or Se7en are going to win a game as scum on their own if they're the last scum standing? Christ! You really should f***ing know better at this point! ALL OF YOU.

Hey

Hey

Hey

I made a fantastic argument for why eaed was being scum that I was really proud of.


Scum is exempted from my rage

You guys all played a solid game and I respect you for getting away with absolute murder and abusing the town like you did

My rage is 100% directed at the portions of town that made basic errors and p much lost the game off it

When the SK is more credit to town than most of the townies combined you know s***'s f***ed up
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bng_mmmk
03/28/17 8:31:47 PM
#127:


Shaduln posted...
Why the f*** didnt you guys kill plum d3 could I be more obvious?


Yes. You could have said "I am tracker and plum is scum." That would have been more obvious.


Also we scanned plum N3 with IGCD and red saved us the trouble of needing to sacrifice a member in order to out him to town. (Since IGCD died.)
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:32:08 PM
#128:


puns, you were obvious to me the day after I died (just my luck). You were keeping lots of town suspicions alive and fixating on weird details. Ah well.
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VeryInsane
03/28/17 8:32:10 PM
#129:


bng_mmmk posted...
I've been called obvious scum after every single scum victory in my life. I guess I just need to find better towns to play against!

(sarcasm)


Happens when I win too
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ChaosTonyV4
03/28/17 8:32:55 PM
#130:


Chaeix posted...
dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you


Yeah, Day 1 I pretty much nailed him and I don't know if anyone besides you, him, (and I think Oddity?) even REPLIED to my suspicion/votes on him?
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:33:26 PM
#131:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Chaeix posted...
dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you


Yeah, Day 1 I pretty much nailed him and I don't know if anyone besides you, him, (and I think Oddity?) even REPLIED to my suspicion/votes on him?

Oddity chimed in, that's part of why he was so confident that I was town. I was just begging
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bng_mmmk
03/28/17 8:33:55 PM
#132:


Oddity posted...
puns, you were obvious to me the day after I died (just my luck). You were keeping lots of town suspicions alive and fixating on weird details. Ah well.


yeah.

My rant about forgetting my phone at home wasn't made up. But still. Plan was dilly dally the day away until I have just enough time to catch up, ramble a bit, and vote. No time for analysis once I land my vote somewhere.
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:34:01 PM
#133:


Yah, scum justin is more aggressive. Was obvtown to me. For that reason alone I'm glad you made the argument.
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:34:04 PM
#134:


Chaeix posted...
dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you

like regardless of the strength of my arguments the fact nobody would even take the time to say "hey jc your argument sucks", especially when i was fixating on you

i'm too lazy to read scumboard but you must have commented on that somewhere in there


fwiw JC I felt like your lead was worth pursuing and I would've done something about it had Ulti died D1 as he should've

but I got special'd and yeah, that was that, sry man :(
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Corrik
03/28/17 8:34:52 PM
#135:


Too many people came into the game wanting to lynch me. Which is fine but it kept me on the defense practically all game or not finding it worth the hassle of this f***ing gamefaqs messaging issue to try and post when ppl were just gonna not care what I said anyways.

Town Vanilla always demoralizes me unless I can gambit out of it but those days have passed for that unfortunately. Everyone expects it now.
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:34:57 PM
#136:


Kanz, I'm sorry I misread you man. I'm mad because I'm bad.
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dowolf
03/28/17 8:35:06 PM
#137:


Shaduln posted...
Why the f*** didnt you guys kill plum d3 could I be more obvious?

...You scanned Plum n1? Really?

...So every single scanner either scanned plum, pretended to have scanned plum, or never got a scan off.

Tres bien.
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red13n
03/28/17 8:35:22 PM
#138:


Also Kanz when I came back and saw the end of day results for the first day...You have no idea how pissed off I was. I swear this happens every time.
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:35:38 PM
#139:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Chaeix posted...
dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you

like regardless of the strength of my arguments the fact nobody would even take the time to say "hey jc your argument sucks", especially when i was fixating on you

i'm too lazy to read scumboard but you must have commented on that somewhere in there


fwiw JC I felt like your lead was worth pursuing and I would've done something about it had Ulti died D1 as he should've

but I got special'd and yeah, that was that, sry man :(

i owe you an apology too, the posts where you backed me up seemed genuine and i didn't listen to that gut. i started to back off a little bit (when i tried to tie it) and it was 7-5 in an instant
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Corrik
03/28/17 8:35:59 PM
#140:


And yes my deadline s*** was played out. I needed to try and do something to look like town.
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greengravy294
03/28/17 8:36:03 PM
#141:


how do people lynch a town rb like what
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ChaosTonyV4
03/28/17 8:36:25 PM
#142:


Also it was pretty sweet that I read Dowolf and then was forced to claim my Cop Day 1 by essentially 100% Townies, lol.
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:36:30 PM
#143:


dowolf posted...
Shaduln posted...
Why the f*** didnt you guys kill plum d3 could I be more obvious?

...You scanned Plum n1? Really?

...So every single scanner either scanned plum, pretended to have scanned plum, or never got a scan off.

Tres bien.

man

plum's logic on the breadcrumb thing for me was so dumb

like he can't blame garbage logic on being sk
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dowolf
03/28/17 8:37:12 PM
#144:


Chaeix posted...
dowolf i'm so annoyed that nobody ever wanted to discuss you

your arguments were pretty bad.

You gotta come up with something I can't dismiss out-of-hand >_>
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Suprak the Stud
03/28/17 8:37:31 PM
#145:


is there an archive?

I remember seeing someone unvote at the very end of day one but not vote for anyone and thinking they were going to 100% flip scum, but I have absolutely no idea who it was anymore.
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Chaeix
03/28/17 8:37:32 PM
#146:


Corrik posted...
And yes my deadline s*** was played out. I needed to try and do something to look like town.

man

ANYTHING dishonest looks terrible

why do you think i admitted to my f***ups (like the alt account thing) whenever i made them

why the f*** would you lie about something when you are under incredible scrutiny

it doesn't help
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Oddity
03/28/17 8:37:46 PM
#147:


Dude, you looked pretty scummy to me, Tony. Don't remember the exact specifics of why, but that sounds like something you need to work on in your game IMHO.
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VeryInsane
03/28/17 8:37:49 PM
#148:


greengravy294 posted...
how do people lynch a town rb like what


The logic was literally Ulti yelling HE'S SCUM ROLEBLOCKER

Anyway, this was more of a game to try to figure out more about what to fix in mafia. Seems like... there's quite a bit!

(Also maybe I should make my balances more town-favored this is 3 straight scum wins >_>)
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KanzarisKelshen
03/28/17 8:38:22 PM
#149:


Oddity posted...
Kanz, I'm sorry I misread you man. I'm mad because I'm bad.


You weren't alone and I feel like you'll probably do better if we play more - I have a global taunt that draws aggro to me in every game I play. People basically need to engage me in a logic battle if they want to test if I'm scum or not, because the gut feels will literally always point to scum. Red knew it and it's why he called it way in advance. Gutfeels just don't work on someone with such a suspicious aura. Just too easy a lynch. I'm more annoyed at all the other people who paid attention only to the style and not the substance of my posts - literally every observer messaged me afterward saying 'why the f*** did they lynch you you were obvtown' lol.
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bng_mmmk
03/28/17 8:38:31 PM
#150:


Ulti told us right from the get go to bus him to death by day 2, but I was like "nah, it's way easier and more natural for me to just defend him"

I really feel like one of town's downfalls was not grilling me for unabashedly defending Ulti. JC tried to the last day, but there wasn't enough time left and too many other distractions at the time.
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