Board 8 > Chrono Trigger Mafia Topic 9: All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu...

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Corrik posted...

bng_mmmk posted...

As a member of that scum team, I read Ulti's threat live in real-time and didn't even bat an eye. It's like the equivalent of your buddy saying "I swear, if you pull that s*** on me again, we're gonna fight." If you just take the words at face value, yeah it sounds threatening. But if you know the person and have context for it, you don't even give it a second thought.

Has ulti ever revealed a scum team before? Honest question.

Doesn't matter. Nor should it. You don't do it. End of story.

Did he do it?
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Ulti has been banned from several games before. I'd just lay off that sort of behavior, it sets a bad example that ends up being poisonous for the community. I imagine he likes to say that he would reveal the scum board because he wants to sound like someone that would do that, but, let's try to get away from all that fringe modkill stuff. It gets old quickly
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oh and yeah, we used to get games that devolved into "I can't post right now sorry" and lazy play, etc. It's like, not really mafia it's just a bunch of people laying around while a couple of people give a s***. We tried some open mafia setups to help eliminate those games. Like, being unhelpful shouldn't be good camouflage :)

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Threatening to reveal your team is a very thin line in my opinion. If you make the threat and reveal all town as your members then you just WIFOM'd the situation. Hell even if you actually reveal your whole team the town has to WIFOM the situation. I agree that it is a play that is a little offside because it undermines the sportsmanship of the game, and if the host has a problem with the threat they should have it explicitly laid out that the threat itself will be modkillable.
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Well it all depends on why a player is called scummy to me.

To me I feel like if there's a general feeling that someone is scummy and it's never addressed, then whatever, they were as townish as they needed to be.

If they do this really scummy thing, a concrete thing directly being suspicious due to attitude regarding a known scum, and the town just doesn't actually press them on it at all, it's more on the town.

Would say puns left a lot more clear routes for town to go after him than pjbasis or igcd did. The town chose not to even really attempt to take those routes so yeah to me it's more on town in that instance.

On the "bad town do that too" angle, just because bad town does it from time to time that doesn't mean that you should just excuse it. Bad town should also be pressured for doing those kind of things. Though I will say I think how often bad town does it is being very overstated. Literally only puns and dowolf had votes that didn't make sense in that very specific way that day. Like yes, you could point at se7en's vote as "bad" and it kinda was, but it was bad in a different way. There was no direct contradiction in his stated suspicions vs whose judgment he trusted, nor did he randomly pick a fight with someone who wasn't a lynch leader about their vote on one of the lynch leaders-- he just... randomly jumped, which nervous town will absolutely do with minutes left in the day.
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I feel that my whole stance on Ulti was consistent and I would've had no trouble discussing my unvote of Kanz rationally, had anyone pressured me. prof is the only player who tried, but when I explained my unvote he was convinced that it checked out.

Could've been argued that pj jumped off the IGCD train and onto JC while we were pushing for an alternate lynch to se7en, but nobody ever went for that one.

Going back a bit, I disagree with your suggestion that if you have a really good scum team, they can all just keep their heads down and follow incorrect town all game. I mean that is theoretically possible in some games, but it's not a universal rule. Eventually, process of elimination becomes a factor. Like, if it's day 6 and it's 4v3, if all you can say about the 3 scum is "hasn't been scummy", that's not exactly great for scum. It's better if some of them have done some things.
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Eaed did do that as well. I even went after him for it! But yes, someone should have called me and Puns on it. Good thing I was the only archive hawk in the game~

re:Ulti: Anyone who pretends that Ulti hasn't carried out similar threats before is lying to themselves. And I have no idea what PM he's talking about. That's all I want to say on that, I think.
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Hey are you kids playing in gravys game Y/N

Chris is (allegedly) playing so whatever
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Yeah I just feel the need to defend what I'm saying cause I don't really like it being grouped with "that guy is scummy."

That's not to say I'm not saying "that guy is scummy" is necessarily an inferior approach but I do think one is a lot less subjective than the other and an easier sell, and also easier to more directly blame on town because again, it comes down to the evidence not being explored more than something super subjective. I feel pretty justified in blaming town overall more than praising scum with this game. I've seen good scum games-- this was an adequate scum game where town ate itself alive more than anything.

Also eaed was vaguely on my radar for a while for similar reasons but this one I will say I used the more vague "that guy feels town" gut to get rid of him quickly just because he had enough blatantly clown stuff thrown in there that him just having a generally off game made more sense than him being scum. It was more of a contrast with you two.
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