Board 8 > POLL: How many genders are there?

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You can't ever be wrong if you're in the majority. That's what true freedom fighters believe!

I had my doubts but vlado really is using this topic to help him sleep better at night. That's pretty amazing.
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So many that the number could be expressed by a single digital signal.
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I hope you realize that's more than 2
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foolm0r0n posted...

I hope you realize that's more than 2

...Except it's not- it's literally binary- low or high. A single signal returns a value of either 0v or 5v.
Values in the "indeterminate zone" between them are sorted into High and Lows at about 2.3v.

A signal can be loaded into memory to count in binary, but a single signal will always be one of only 2 possible values.

Just like Gender- it's 1 or 0, and sure, there's those that aren't quite sure at 2.3v, but ultimately it sorts to 1 or 0 down the line.
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A digital signal can represent any positive integer number of values. Binary is the most common one but there are plenty of higher number digital signals. If you want to be all r/iamverysmart then at least make sure what you're saying is correct.
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foolm0r0n posted...

A digital signal can represent any positive integer number of values. Binary is the most common one but there are plenty of higher number digital signals. If you want to be all r/iamverysmart then at least make sure what you're saying is correct.

That takes memory [usually in the form of a flip-flop] but this is a single digital, not analog, signal.
1 line, into 1 gate.
That's either a 1 or a 0. It's never anything else due to the basics of electrical theory.
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Airship_Canon posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

A digital signal can represent any positive integer number of values. Binary is the most common one but there are plenty of higher number digital signals. If you want to be all r/iamverysmart then at least make sure what you're saying is correct.

That takes memory [usually in the form of a flip-flop] but this is a single digital, not analog, signal.
1 line, into 1 gate.
That's either a 1 or a 0. It's never anything else due to the basics of electrical theory.

nationalists don't believe in electricity
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Ah, foolmo getting destroyed again. It's become a habit.
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Vlado posted...

Ah, foolmo getting destroyed again. It's become a habit.

explain how digital signals affect chromosomes
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Vlado posted...

Ah, foolmo getting destroyed again. It's become a habit.

explain how digital signals affect chromosomes

Airship_Canon posted...

So many that the number could be expressed by a single digital signal.

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ATTN anyone reading this topic who doesn't know much about electronics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal
Read this to learn what digital means and why it isn't necessarily binary. It has nothing to do with memory.

It's actually super scary that airship and vlado are so willing to believe something so evidently false. It's one thing when it's a blatant political lie that they believe in, which can have some loose interpretation. But this is a very basic, clear, unambiguous concept in math and physics that they are willing to ignore.

It is quite literally saying 2 + 2 does not = 4
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Airship_Canon posted...

FigureOfSpeech posted...

Vlado posted...

Ah, foolmo getting destroyed again. It's become a habit.

explain how digital signals affect chromosomes

Airship_Canon posted...

So many that the number could be expressed by a single digital signal.

re-quoting yourself does not explain the process through which signals in electronics directly result in a person's gender.
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A digital signal can indeed express the number of chromosome combinations someone can have, and it is indeed greater than 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders
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Well it's a good thing chromosomes aren't a reliable indicator of sex and gender
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DeepsPraw posted...

Well it's a good thing chromosomes aren't a reliable indicator of sex and gender

well apparently living beings give off digital signals from their bodies that can be measured and used to determine gender. either that or foolmo got "destroyed" by a completely unrelated and irrelevant side argument...
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an additional possibility is that airship Canon who has been a known troll for years and years is just trolling and vlado is making a jackass of himself again
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No, someone who says this isn't trolling, they're just dumb:
Airship_Canon posted...

That takes memory [usually in the form of a flip-flop] but this is a single digital, not analog, signal.
1 line, into 1 gate.
That's either a 1 or a 0. It's never anything else due to the basics of electrical theory.

Although it IS wrong in a very specific way, that you wouldn't normally see, even in a 1st year student or something... I guess it's possible he crafted this specifically to piss off anyone who knows about electronics.

But like, who here actually knows about digital signals enough to get his joke? Did he guess that I knew about it and would argue with him about it? If so, very well played. But I think that's a pretty big leap and he is really just a typical proudly dumb guy on the internet.
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foolm0r0n posted...

No, someone who says this isn't trolling, they're just dumb:
Airship_Canon posted...

That takes memory [usually in the form of a flip-flop] but this is a single digital, not analog, signal.
1 line, into 1 gate.
That's either a 1 or a 0. It's never anything else due to the basics of electrical theory.

Although it IS wrong in a very specific way, that you wouldn't normally see, even in a 1st year student or something... I guess it's possible he crafted this specifically to piss off anyone who knows about electronics.

But like, who here actually knows about digital signals enough to get his joke? Did he guess that I knew about it and would argue with him about it? If so, very well played. But I think that's a pretty big leap and he is really just a typical proudly dumb guy on the internet.

I remember the guy from a decade or so ago. He signed up for a b8 RPG I was making and he was using another account too at the time. 1700 karma is more than I'd expect from an 11 year old troll account, so you're probably right, but still, I remember him :P
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This is legitimately one of Vlado's best trolling attempts: pick a subject a large majority of people lack nuance on, then run a Board 8 poll and treat it like indisputable proof. Bonus points for marginalizing people you don't agree with.

I'll be waiting for your next hit topic, "Is Islam the religion of peace?"
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HaRRicH posted...

This is legitimately one of Vlado's best trolling attempts: pick a subject a large majority of people lack nuance on, then run a Board 8 poll and treat it like indisputable proof. Bonus points for marginalizing people you don't agree with.

I'll be waiting for your next hit topic, "Is Islam the religion of peace?"

I think he already did that one actually.

Anyway, I might need to put more bait pictures in Vlado topics. People just keep taking it.
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No one took his bait though, only airship's
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HaRRicH posted...

This is legitimately one of Vlado's best trolling attempts: pick a subject a large majority of people lack nuance on, then run a Board 8 poll and treat it like indisputable proof. Bonus points for marginalizing people you don't agree with.

I'll be waiting for your next hit topic, "Is Islam the religion of peace?"

No need to be so bitter that the vast majority of people don't subscribe to your delusional beliefs.
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Vlado posted...

HaRRicH posted...

This is legitimately one of Vlado's best trolling attempts: pick a subject a large majority of people lack nuance on, then run a Board 8 poll and treat it like indisputable proof. Bonus points for marginalizing people you don't agree with.

I'll be waiting for your next hit topic, "Is Islam the religion of peace?"

No need to be so bitter that the vast majority of people don't subscribe to your delusional beliefs.

A majority of people don't think interracial marriage is bad.

A majority of people don't think gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt.
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There can be 70 genders for all i care as long as they dont try and rape my kid
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Can the mods track who voted for the "only 2" option? I've been suspended for saying that, so I'd be careful!
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On_The_Pence posted...

Can the mods track who voted for the "only 2" option? I've been suspended for saying that, so I'd be careful!

I voted for it
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FigureOfSpeech posted...

Vlado posted...

In conclusion, don't let others tell you that you're a "bigot" or whatever. You're in the majority even on an overwhelmingly liberal gaming message board on the internet. Your opinion is normal.

ur a bigot

Because when a majority says it's ok, it is! You know, like slavery in the US or the Holocaust.
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IMO there's only 2 genders, it's the way you act that defines you as a person, and therefore all this gender normative s*** and I'm a transcoptorfederalebear or whatever are just edgy ways of grabbing attention, we're all different, if you want to create a label to define yourself, fine, but I'll be f***ed if it means anything to me at all and I'm kind of sick of people acting like these new made up phrases and words to define things we already have definitions are OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE.

Get a grip ffs. If you like boys but you're a boy that feels like a girl, you're still a boy, the key is to not let that define how you act. Why are people acting like this is f***ing rocket science?
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Oh and if you need a label to define yourself personally, you already have one, it's your name.
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gender is mostly just a social construct- so it shouldn't really matter that much. the question is whether people and individual communities should be allowed to define their own perception of the world

if someone wants to define themselves as 'gender gifted', that's fine. if other people want to view all people as ONLY either 'male' or 'female', i don't see a problem with that, either.

individuals are certainly allowed to define their own gender, and societies are free to define their own society's gender definitions. the goal is to treat people equally regardless of gender anyway
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banananor posted...

gender is mostly just a social construct- so it shouldn't really matter that much. the question is whether people and individual communities should be allowed to define their own perception of the world

if someone wants to define themselves as 'gender gifted', that's fine. if other people want to view all people as ONLY either 'male' or 'female', i don't see a problem with that, either.

individuals are certainly allowed to define their own gender, and societies are free to define their own society's gender definitions. the goal is to treat people equally regardless of gender anyway

This is basically my point but with less swearing, and better grammar.
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MenuWars posted...

Why are people acting like this is f***ing rocket science?

Ask a trans person
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foolm0r0n posted...

MenuWars posted...

Why are people acting like this is f***ing rocket science?

Ask a trans person

I've got two trans friends who don't give a crap, they only care about not being persecuted for being themselves, they don't care how someone judges their gender, because it's irrelevant to them.

In my last convo with them, the female to male trans, basically said she/he had no real way of knowing if she felt like a boy or not, but that he identified as one... and the only people that has any effect on are the ones he's close to... so it doesn't really matter.

I can't say I understand it to the fullest, but I can say neither does anyone else, so to start making these label definitions, is stupid because all it does groups people again.

I respect anyone's right to identify as what they want to, but as soon as they try to enforce the way I identify them, that's basically thought policing, and you can f*** right off with it.
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That's fine but I don't get why you're especially angry about this
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foolm0r0n posted...

That's fine but I don't get why you're especially angry about this

It overcomplicates things and draws me into peoples business, in which I have no interest of being there, in the same way someone that posts daily pictures and updates about what they're having for lunch is annoying, except this is more personal and way more invasive, as if someone identifies as "..." then I'm then supposed to identify them as that, or I'm an apparently bad person... even though I don't give a s*** either way because it doesn't change anything. All it means is certain people have more things to be offended about, when in a lot of cases, noone was trying to be offensive... and the people that are trying to be offensive won't do anything positive with it anyway, so it's basically a moot point in an argument that has no place even existing and I don't see anything positive coming out of it.

I've yet to hear a single person say, "I identified as this "..." and every now calls me this, and it has improved my quality of life. It just leads to more upset and arguments.
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For example if people just want to say they identify as something and that's their definition for themselves that's a great thing, but it becomes a problem when they try to enforce everyone elses views at the same time.

I guess that's the most succinct way of putting it. You're absolutely entitled to your definition of "you", but everyone else is entitled to their opinion also, there is no fact here.

There's no way of proving that someone who is trans f to m feels like a man, and no way of proving that m to f feels like a woman, nor any of the other distinctions that may or not exist and the amount to which they feel that way... it's an individual thing that is very personal, which would mean everybody would then require their own labels for the things they identify as... and it just seems like a ridiculous thing to try and enforce and get upset about when people are talking generally. Acceptance is a two way street.
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MenuWars posted...

noone was trying to be offensive

If someone says they are offended by your misidentification and you keep doing it, how is that not explicitly, actively trying to be offensive?

If some dude has long hair and you mistake him for a girl, would you just continue calling him a girl because you feel like it? Is it a problem that he is enforcing your view of him as a dude?

Like you can think and say whatever you want, but what you're describing is just plain ol being an a******, except you're proud of it.
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foolm0r0n posted...

MenuWars posted...

noone was trying to be offensive

If someone says they are offended by your misidentification and you keep doing it, how is that not explicitly, actively trying to be offensive?

If some dude has long hair and you mistake him for a girl, would you just continue calling him a girl because you feel like it? Is it a problem that he is enforcing your view of him as a dude?

Like you can think and say whatever you want, but what you're describing is just plain ol being an a******, except you're proud of it.

There's a big difference between what you're describing which I would not do, and say calling someone a man that identifies as a non binary trans whatever, like if you're keeping it simple, I have no problem with it, if you're going for broke, then yes I'll be that a******, and no im not proud of it, but I also don't have time for the whiney bs either.

...and most of the new terms that are popping up are far from easy to remember let alone identify. They're personal labels, which is what I was referring to.

In your example, the definitions are clear and simple, that's all I'm asking for... and if that makes me an a****** welp... I'm an a******.
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That's what I get for skipping straight to the last page.

MenuWars posted...

I've yet to hear a single person say, "I identified as this "..." and every now calls me this, and it has improved my quality of life. It just leads to more upset and arguments.

Uh, meet more trans people? Almost none of them will say "everyone now calls me this" because the world is full of a******s (and people who aren't a******s but just make mistakes; it happens). But plenty will say "I'm this gender and I've come out about it and now that lots of people see me the way I actually am, my quality of life has massively improved". That's like sort of basic to this whole issue, if you don't understand that fact then of course you'll think it's all unimportant.
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I only know two trans people, and they both identify as female. And I identify them as such.
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MegaWentEvil posted...

That's what I get for skipping straight to the last page.

you should jump in the argument and destroy vlado
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I've had two very annoying experiences with stuff regarding gender lately. My wife and I are expecting our second child in July, and the ultrasounds show it's a girl. People know we're expecting, so I've been asked by co-workers if we know the gender yet. Since last Wednesday, there have been two separate instances where I've responded to someone that it's a girl, and ended up getting lectured by someone who was not involved in the conversation about how I shouldn't say my unborn child is a girl because they haven't been able to tell me what they identify as. If she identifies as a boy, I will start referring to her as one when she tells me that. I wish I wasn't working when that happened so I could tell these people to f off.
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Some people would argue that waiting to see "if she identifies as a boy" is too late and that you, as a parent, need to not make assumptions about gender from the start. I think that's a bit much personally because it still denies "normal" upbringing at this point considering the practice isn't widespread, but like, that's the logic behind it.
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I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You have to raise your child as a girl. At the start, at least. There are health care particularities involved.
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foolm0r0n posted...

But this is a very basic, clear, unambiguous concept in math and physics that they are willing to ignore.

math and physics are thousands of y/o
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Since last Wednesday, there have been two separate instances where I've responded to someone that it's a girl, and ended up getting lectured by someone who was not involved in the conversation about how I shouldn't say my unborn child is a girl because they haven't been able to tell me what they identify as

This is horrifying
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You have to raise your child as a girl. At the start, at least. There are health care particularities involved.

what sort of health care relates inherently to "being a girl"?
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Kenri posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous. You have to raise your child as a girl. At the start, at least. There are health care particularities involved.

what sort of health care relates inherently to "being a girl"?

Gosh it's like dicks and vags can have different medical issues. Lotta uterus problems in guys. Bug number of testicular cancer problems in girls.
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The response to that is that your trans daughter has a dick and genitalia aren't tied to gender.

Not saying I agree 100%, but that's the official line
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