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PerfectChaosZ
03/15/17 2:05:06 PM
#401:


I'm just so mad that Trump can release this and point to it as "he released his taxes" even though they are years out of date and aren't the ones anyone wanted and have no data in them and people will still be like "SEE? SEE!" because most people don't investigate past the headline. I guess he does know something and that's how to play the media.
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Wanglicious
03/15/17 2:09:18 PM
#402:


HaRRicH posted...
you're just trolling.


oh if you're like me and think that he/someone close to him did this on purpose, that's totally what's happening. and the most absurd part is Maddow doubled down while knowing she was getting trolled. like what the hell was she thinking? "Aha, we got something of yours, Donald!" or something? was it an intern that told her "this is what i got" and she ran with it, only to realize when it was too late that they had almost nothing of value?

and you're right - it's not the same as birther. it's also not the same as benghazi. but it's set up to look that way and it puts the claim of people wanting to see his taxes on the defensive against both fronts. on top of that people have to be more specific on what they want since a 1040 of his more recent taxes probably wouldn't give much info either. if you assume this is a slow drip of disinfo, that'd probably be the next step: in the next few weeks a 1040 of... i dunno, 2010 let's say, gets reporters to go "OH WE GOT MORE RECENT TAXES! aaaaand... wegotnothing."

what happens then? "oh, we want more recent!" again? "oh, we want more than a 1040!" again? you mean like... how a partial birth certificate wasn't enough? now again - the situations are different. but they sound similar and the side looks more foolish every time.
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SupremeZero
03/15/17 2:10:49 PM
#403:


Wanglicious posted...
HaRRicH posted...
you're just trolling.


oh if you're like me and think that he/someone close to him did this on purpose, that's totally what's happening. and the most absurd part is Maddow doubled down while knowing she was getting trolled. like what the hell was she thinking? "Aha, we got something of yours, Donald!" or something? was it an intern that told her "this is what i got" and she ran with it, only to realize when it was too late that they had almost nothing of value?

and you're right - it's not the same as birther. it's also not the same as benghazi. but it's set up to look that way and it puts the claim of people wanting to see his taxes on the defensive against both fronts. on top of that people have to be more specific on what they want since a 1040 of his more recent taxes probably wouldn't give much info either. if you assume this is a slow drip of disinfo, that'd probably be the next step: in the next few weeks a 1040 of... i dunno, 2010 let's say, gets reporters to go "OH WE GOT MORE RECENT TAXES! aaaaand... wegotnothing."

what happens then? "oh, we want more recent!" again? "oh, we want more than a 1040!" again? you mean like... how a partial birth certificate wasn't enough? now again - the situations are different. but they sound similar and the side looks more foolish every time.

Honestly, the dumbest part of the 4D chess idea is he could've done this in the first place rather than let people stew on it forever, and he'd probably have come out better for it.
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Wanglicious
03/15/17 2:15:21 PM
#404:


nah, by letting it be the media who reports on it, especially in the way they did, it furthers his argument that the media is out to get him and that they can't be trusted. considering what was released and how hyped it was, at the very least the first one seems inarguable.

thanks, maddow.
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HaRRicH
03/15/17 2:57:25 PM
#405:


The best reason I can think of for why Maddow sold it the way she did last night was to prove America has an interest in finding out what he's hiding in his tax forms. It was disappointing since it sounded like it would be more than this minimal information -- that could come back to haunt them like the boy who cried wolf, sure -- but I bet the ratings were sweet and that can be used as later evidence for people caring.

If Donald sent the 1040, then he would also know MSNBC has the 1040...so if they didn't reveal it, he'd be able to accuse them of not covering the 1040 so it'd be right back on to accusing the media of being against him. If this was indeed a trap, I dunno if MSNBC had a particularly foolproof way out of it without some credibility-attacks.
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Nanis23
03/15/17 3:17:08 PM
#406:


wtf is Trump tweet about Snoop Dogg
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psaltery
03/15/17 3:35:48 PM
#407:


Three separate intelligence sources believe that former President Obama veered ‘outside the chain of command’ and employed British surveillance agents to conduct surveillance on Donald Trump’s team prior to the election, according to a legal analyst.

Judge Andrew Napolitano revealed on ‘Fox & Friends’ this morning that the sources spilled the details to him as the controversial case continues to dominate headlines.

“Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command,” Napolitano said. “He didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice.”

“He used GCHQ.” Napolitano explained.

“What the heck is GCHQ? That’s the initials for the British spying agency. They have 24/7 access to the NSA database.” The Judge explained.

Napolitano noted that this was done to secure plausible deniability. In other words, even if the Obama administration did spy on Trump, there may never be a way to prove it.

“So by simply having two people go to them saying, ‘President Obama needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump, conversations involving president-elect Trump,’ he’s able to get it, and there’s no American fingerprints on this. ”Napolitano added.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/841619127999508480
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MoogleKupo141
03/15/17 3:46:26 PM
#408:


Nanis23 posted...
wtf is Trump tweet about Snoop Dogg


Jail time!
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charmander6000
03/15/17 3:49:40 PM
#409:


If Donald sent the 1040, then he would also know MSNBC has the 1040...so if they didn't reveal it, he'd be able to accuse them of not covering the 1040 so it'd be right back on to accusing the media of being against him. If this was indeed a trap, I dunno if MSNBC had a particularly foolproof way out of it without some credibility-attacks.

All they had to do was not make a huge deal about it because in essence it wasn't. From what I understand she hyped the information for over 20 minutes instead of a "some early data on Trump's taxes has been revealed..." tone.
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psaltery
03/15/17 3:50:18 PM
#410:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Nanis23 posted...
wtf is Trump tweet about Snoop Dogg


Jail time!


Prays for Jail time! for Snoop Dogg. It would be hella funny if that happened but it would probably cause more of an uproar than anything.
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VeryInsane
03/15/17 4:08:39 PM
#411:


Super controversial opinion: Doggystyle was the best 90s West Coast Album
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dowolf
03/15/17 4:11:09 PM
#412:


psaltery posted...
Three separate intelligence sources believe

so they don't know.

they're just guessing.

ok then.
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redrocket_pub
03/15/17 4:46:20 PM
#413:


VeryInsane posted...
Super controversial opinion: Doggystyle was the best 90s West Coast Album


Is it really that controversial?
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Not_an_Owl
03/15/17 4:51:17 PM
#414:


Apparently the far-right ultranationalist party lost in the Netherlands' elections. Thank f*** at least one country still has a trace of sanity left.
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/17 5:03:35 PM
#415:


New travel ban blocked! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-second-travel-ban-blocked-by-u-s-judge
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My Immortal
03/15/17 5:04:36 PM
#416:


LordoftheMorons posted...
New travel ban blocked! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-second-travel-ban-blocked-by-u-s-judge

I don't know about you guys, but I'm certainly getting tired of winning.
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psaltery
03/15/17 5:07:14 PM
#417:


Hawaii argued that the ban discriminates on the basis of nationality and would prevent Hawaiian residents from receiving visits from relatives in the six mostly Muslim countries covered by the ban.

I guess North Koreans will be allowed to freely enter the country next based on this logic.
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LapisLazuli
03/15/17 5:09:53 PM
#418:


Hope Trump enjoyed his short lived "victoy".
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SupremeZero
03/15/17 5:13:52 PM
#419:


LordoftheMorons posted...
New travel ban blocked! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-second-travel-ban-blocked-by-u-s-judge

From f***ing Hawaii?

I guess they're big on Tourism, but no one really thinks about Hawaii, do they?
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charmander6000
03/15/17 5:14:10 PM
#420:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Apparently the far-right ultranationalist party lost in the Netherlands' elections. Thank f*** at least one country still has a trace of sanity left.


To be fair even if the far-right party got the most votes they would unlikely be able to form government without major concessions.
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Not_an_Owl
03/15/17 5:14:43 PM
#421:


LordoftheMorons posted...
New travel ban blocked! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-second-travel-ban-blocked-by-u-s-judge

How Does One Man Fly So Many L's?
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SovietOmega
03/15/17 5:17:45 PM
#422:


SupremeZero posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
New travel ban blocked! https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-15/trump-s-second-travel-ban-blocked-by-u-s-judge

From f***ing Hawaii?

I guess they're big on Tourism, but no one really thinks about Hawaii, do they?

Thanks, Obama
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psaltery
03/15/17 5:20:23 PM
#423:


McCain meltdown on Rand Paul.

https://youtu.be/jpzfGr_Dzqg
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HaRRicH
03/15/17 5:20:47 PM
#424:


Would Honolulu happen to be in the same circuit that supposely couldn't be trusted before?
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SupremeZero
03/15/17 5:23:25 PM
#425:


HaRRicH posted...
Would Honolulu happen to be in the same circuit that supposely couldn't be trusted before?

Yeap.
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/17 5:23:32 PM
#426:


HaRRicH posted...
Would Honolulu happen to be in the same circuit that supposely couldn't be trusted before?

They are also in the 9th, yeah
This hasn't gone up to the Court of Appeals yet, though.
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Skyridge87
03/15/17 5:46:45 PM
#427:


lol Trump
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My Immortal
03/15/17 6:05:10 PM
#430:


There's like, 20 people in that picture.
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SovietOmega
03/15/17 6:07:12 PM
#431:


I wonder how many Trump would see.
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LapisLazuli
03/15/17 6:09:22 PM
#432:


Wow, what a "crowd". More people lined up than attended Obama's inagguaration!
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/17 6:24:30 PM
#434:


https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/842179284663992321

wowwwwwwwww
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SupremeZero
03/15/17 6:25:58 PM
#435:


*facepalm*
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TheRock1525
03/15/17 6:29:35 PM
#436:


Why is Trump holding another rally?

Why does this man do nothing but sign EOs, vacation and hold rallies?
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Skyridge87
03/15/17 6:31:54 PM
#437:


It's all he knows how to do.
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charmander6000
03/15/17 6:32:40 PM
#438:


What else is there for him to do? Congress hasn't exactly given him many bills to sign.
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TheRock1525
03/15/17 6:35:29 PM
#439:


Also the ban being blocked, they really need to go after Trump's sudden change about the vetting process being ok for previous visa holders but not new ones. Honestly I think Trump had more of a leg to stand on with the earlier travel ban compared to this one.
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/17 6:35:44 PM
#440:


https://twitter.com/jaywillis/status/842172409293619200
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LapisLazuli
03/15/17 6:41:49 PM
#441:


9 out of 10 people in that crowd don't even know what "The Ninth Circuit" is, I'm sure.
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TheRock1525
03/15/17 6:42:13 PM
#442:


charmander6000 posted...
What else is there for him to do? Congress hasn't exactly given him many bills to sign.


Cause he's supposedly this awesome deal maker. Where are these deals he's making with Democrats to get legislation through? He talked about an infrastructure bill that Dems would have loved and then suddenly says "nah, we'll put that off until 2018." He's literally holding pizza parties and bowling to convince Republicans to vote for his bill. This is his amazing deal making ability.

I laugh when Wang argues he's playing 4D chess. Dude is bulls***ting his way through his presidency and praying others will take the heat or fix the messes.
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Wanglicious
03/15/17 6:42:56 PM
#443:


y...you do know the 4d chess thing is mostly a meme right.
...right?
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TheRock1525
03/15/17 6:44:00 PM
#444:


You do know you make incredibly long and incoherent posts that I just mentally block out, right?
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HaRRicH
03/15/17 6:44:13 PM
#445:


TheRock1525 posted...
praying others will take the heat or fix the messes.


Only when Pence is watching.
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/17 6:45:02 PM
#446:


My understanding is that people actually generally agree that the 9th circuit should be broken up (because it's too big), but no one can agree on how it should be done. Notably, unless you were to split CA up (which is probably not a good idea) whichever piece ended up with it would still be the biggest Appeals Court.
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Wanglicious
03/15/17 6:45:07 PM
#447:


considering the only time i mentioned 4d chess was in this topic, explicitly stating how it'd be used, it sounds more like you make up what i post more than anything else.
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HaRRicH
03/15/17 6:52:33 PM
#448:


I heard 3D Chess used on The Young Turks some over the past year...and now I hear 4D Chess used a lot here lately.
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Wanglicious
03/15/17 6:55:04 PM
#449:


here you go.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/trump-is-playing-4d-chess
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lordloki12
03/15/17 7:29:30 PM
#450:


TheRock1525 posted...
Why is Trump holding another rally?

Why does this man do nothing but sign EOs, vacation and hold rallies?


It's because actually being the president is too big of a job for him and he misses his old life. His work week is filled with him signing whatever paperwork his staff puts in front of him and trying to defend whatever the latest controversy is. So every weekend he goes to the country club to get a taste of the old life and surround himself with people who will hang on his every word. When that isnt enough the rallies will give him a room full of people that blindly cheer anything he says and allow his ego to think he speaks for the common man.
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